jelun

I take it upon myself to listen to other left leaners on OPP and attempt to assist them by providing a comfortable place to post.
I didn't delete your posts and still you whine.

You are a bigot in my view.
Regardless of that you completely ignore the description of this section and demand equal representation. Ironic, no?

jelun

When I was growing up it was the Greeks and the Polish people who I saw doing that.
Toward the end of my working life it was Nigerian Muslims and Latinos who I observed living that way, I think Muslims are very likely to use that model as they have a prohibition against borrowing money.
Now it is my family living that way. ;)



;)

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I didn't whine, you view on me is your view which doesn't necessarily mean it is valid, and I made no demands for equal anything.

What is ironic is you making allegations like that I'm whining and making demands, created from your own bias not from what I said, and like you creating other falsities that allow you to conclude I'm a bigot.

As to a place to post with comfort - I apologize if me having an opinion different than you makes you or other uncomfortable - I have no discomfort from other opinions - I don't even have it from unsubstantiated opinions that make personal comments against me like calling me a bigot.

moldyoldy

Here is a current example:

Here’s How Alabama is Making it Impossible for Black People to Vote
Ben Forstenzer | October 1, 2015


While institutionalized racism has been a much-discussed topic since the Black Lives Matter movement put it in the national conversation, one story is going overlooked — Alabama shuttering state offices where residents can get official identification in almost exclusively black communities, while simultaneously requiring that identification to vote.

In a perfect alignment of seemingly harmless and bureaucratic changes, black voting will almost certainly be depressed throughout the state as a result of these closures. Alabama blames the closure of license issuing offices on the state budget, which has, coincidentally, starved the state’s government of basic services for people of color and the poor.

Twenty-nine counties in Alabama will be left with no office to issues driver’s licenses. Many of these counties are in the majority-black counties in Alabama referred to as the “blackbelt.”

These changes may have once faced federal scrutiny, but since the US Supreme Court under Chief Justice Roberts overturned the pre-approval requirements of the 1965 Voting Rights Act, Alabama can make these changes with no formal review of its impact black people’s right to vote. The court’s 2013 decision cleared the way for Alabama’s voter ID law — another part of this perfect storm of seemingly race-neutral provisions that will affect black voter turnout.

“A civil rights lawsuit isn’t a probability. It’s a certainty,” wrote Kyle Whitmire for AL.com.

The double-edged sword of voter ID laws combined with closure of offices that provide voter IDs gives plenty of ammo to critics of the GOP, who say these policies are intended to suppress the minority vote. These actions also give credence to the is the claims that today’s Republican Party is out to destroy bedrock elements of American progressivism, like voting rights, public sector unionism, and state budgets originally aimed at providing services rather than providing tax breaks to the rich.

Along with other national instances of institutionalized racism, Alabama’s closure of these 29 offices appears to be another move in a long game to suppress the black vote, with clearance from the Supreme Court and cover from a purposefully-starved state government. Just as North Carolina’s Republican-led campaign on voting laws is on trial, Alabama’s may be next on the docket very soon.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I don't see the relevance of your post to anything I said or didn't say - I would not be surprised that some folks in places like Alabama might do things they shouldn't and I've heard stories about folks in Mississippi doing things they shouldn't.

As an independent I find fault with things done by Republicans and Democrats. Why you would post something about Republicans from Alabama in response to what I posted escapes me -

moldyoldy

It is relevant to the conversation that we were having earlier.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Did I say something earlier that denied the existence of racism or endorsement of any political party?

As to that specific article - I believe we have a self correcting system - that if the facts are as stated a civil action will be filed and the situation largely rectified. I believe our system of checks and balances are far from perfect but are as best that mankind has yet developed to deal with such inequities. i believe we've come a long way but are not perfect and probably never will be.

jelun

You can have an opinion that is different from mine in the Main Section.
That is what that section is for, a political free for all.
The section is for people who are left of center to openly chat.
I can't say it any more plainly than that.
I have let you post because I think that you are at least trying to look at how the world works.

You have, however, crossed the line now.
As I pointed out, I have not to this point deleted your posts.
You are now on notice that you need to continue this discussion in another section if you wish to go on.

You make my point very well, this section is for me and other libs/progressives to have conversations without justifying our points.
You are done on this thread.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

I will gladly leave an arrogant closed minded person like you to your own devices - but should your mind ever open a crack you might want to consider disagreement with you does not make one either a bigot or wrong.

jelun

You are absolutely correct. Disagreeing with me does not make a person a bigot or wrong.
Disagreeing with me also does not make a person right.
Insisting that one has some right to enter a section and post there without ever considering the effect of what is said, the way it is received, or the fact, let me repeat that fact that you do not fit the criteria of a poster for that section proves at least that you have no interest in a discourse that is set in equity but in reinforcing your subtle racism and the expression of your privilege and entitlement.

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

Again you accuse me of saying something I've never said and of being something I am not. I have not insisted that I have a right to do anything, and if I don't fit your criteria because you think me something other than I am, the problem isn't me - it is you who repeatedly hurl accusations about positions I've taken that I clearly have not - I have not whined, I have not demanded, and I am done with folks who do nothing but hurl false accusations.

jelun

Bye.