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Sep 11, 2015 13:30:19   #
moldyoldy
 
bylm1 wrote:
There are more forms of birth control available today than at any other time in history. If people are too stupid not to be able to take the steps necessary to prevent getting pregnant, why should we make the innocent pay that price. How about at least giving them a chance to be adopted by a responsible couple instead of k*****g them? I'm not involved lots of terrible things such as murder, robberies etc. Does that mean I don't have a say in any of that terrible stuff that goes on? That is one of the shallowest excuses I have ever heard.
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There are millions waiting to be adopted. There is not much choice in birth control, in cases of rape and incest.

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Sep 11, 2015 13:39:33   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
moldyoldy wrote:
There are millions waiting to be adopted. There is not much choice in birth control, in cases of rape and incest.



There are way more who would like to adopt children than are waiting to be adopted. Rape & incest are responsible for very few pregnancies.

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Sep 11, 2015 13:47:52   #
moldyoldy
 
bylm1 wrote:
There are way more who would like to adopt children than are waiting to be adopted. Rape & incest are responsible for very few pregnancies.


This is only one select group who are in the system.

http://www.christianpost.com/news/the-orphan-crisis-in-america-96961/#!

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Sep 11, 2015 13:55:20   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
bylm1 wrote:
There are more forms of birth control available today than at any other time in history. If people are too stupid not to be able to take the steps necessary to prevent getting pregnant, why should we make the innocent pay that price. How about at least giving them a chance to be adopted by a responsible couple instead of k*****g them? I'm not involved lots of terrible things such as murder, robberies etc. Does that mean I don't have a say in any of that terrible stuff that goes on? That is one of the shallowest excuses I have ever heard.
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I will agree with one point. There are many ways to avoid pregnancy. However, your argument comparing illegal activities to a legal medical procedure is comparing apples and oranges.

When you allow government to legislate medical procedures, where do you think if will end? Everyone in this country has a choice. If you believe a******n to be wrong don't have one. None of us have the right to refuse a medical procedure to a person based upon our religious beliefs. Or do you believe freedom is only for a select few with the "right morals" as outlined by your beliefs? If we want freedom for ourselves, we must grant freedom to those who disagree with us.

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Sep 11, 2015 14:40:32   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
There are more forms of birth control available today than at any other time in history. If people are too stupid not to be able to take the steps necessary to prevent getting pregnant, why should we make the innocent pay that price. How about at least giving them a chance to be adopted by a responsible couple instead of k*****g them? I'm not involved lots of terrible things such as murder, robberies etc. Does that mean I don't have a say in any of that terrible stuff that goes on? That is one of the shallowest excuses I have ever heard.
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FGS, look up failure rates.

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Sep 11, 2015 16:28:19   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
She Wolf wrote:
I will agree with one point. There are many ways to avoid pregnancy. However, your argument comparing illegal activities to a legal medical procedure is comparing apples and oranges.

When you allow government to legislate medical procedures, where do you think if will end? Everyone in this country has a choice. If you believe a******n to be wrong don't have one. None of us have the right to refuse a medical procedure to a person based upon our religious beliefs. Or do you believe freedom is only for a select few with the "right morals" as outlined by your beliefs? If we want freedom for ourselves, we must grant freedom to those who disagree with us.
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The first sentence in your second paragraph says a lot. Allowing government to legislate medical practice has what has gotten us into this problem. The Declaration of Independence says "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I think that applies to everyone, even the unborn. Aside from religious beliefs, I feel that way because of common sense. We look unfavorably upon murder and don't say we should have a choice. My common sense says it should be wrong. Period. If you don't want a baby, don't get pregnant. That's your choice.

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Sep 11, 2015 16:30:19   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
jelun wrote:
FGS, look up failure rates.



Failure rates for what? And what does that have to do with anything?

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Sep 12, 2015 04:45:50   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
The first sentence in your second paragraph says a lot. Allowing government to legislate medical practice has what has gotten us into this problem. The Declaration of Independence says "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of happiness". I think that applies to everyone, even the unborn. Aside from religious beliefs, I feel that way because of common sense. We look unfavorably upon murder and don't say we should have a choice. My common sense says it should be wrong. Period. If you don't want a baby, don't get pregnant. That's your choice.
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HAHAAHAA, when your Declaration of Independence was instituted it didn't include live children, women, or minorities.
Nice try, though.

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Sep 12, 2015 04:59:30   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
Failure rates for what? And what does that have to do with anything?



Do you have ADHD or something?
That post was in response to your conclusion that access to birth control minimizes (at least) the need for a******n.
I know the failure rates, I want you to know the failure rates for birth control.
Not that it matters, ultimately. While a******n would not be a typical choice for birth control it is legal.
So that, bylm1, is what that has to do with anything.

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Sep 12, 2015 05:03:16   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
There are way more who would like to adopt children than are waiting to be adopted. Rape & incest are responsible for very few pregnancies.


What is it that you don't understand about women not being baby machines for childless couples?

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Sep 12, 2015 08:14:57   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
jelun wrote:
What is it that you don't understand about women not being baby machines for childless couples?



Why is it that you don't understand the value of human life?

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Sep 12, 2015 09:21:15   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
Why is it that you don't understand the value of human life?


Why don't you understand quality of life?

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Sep 12, 2015 15:49:16   #
bylm1-Bernie
 
jelun wrote:
Why don't you understand quality of life?



I do, I just don't believe babies have to be k**led to enjoy life.

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Sep 12, 2015 16:08:36   #
jelun
 
bylm1 wrote:
I do, I just don't believe babies have to be k**led to enjoy life.



Well then, by all means, follow my lead and don't k**l any babies.

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