Is Atheism a Religion?
Aug 1, 2015 23:28:19 #
Feedback: Is Atheism a Religion?
by Tim Chaffey on July 25, 2015
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Editors note: We at Answers in Genesis received some feedback about our assertion that atheism is a religion. Our response is interspersed throughout portions of the feedback.
Atheism is not a religion. Not even close. If you read the definition, you would quickly realize that Atheists dont worship any deities.
As with any debated issue, it is crucial to immediately define the key terms, so I agree that we should check the definition of religion. The following definitions are found in the eleventh edition of Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary:
1b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
If this were the only definition of religion, then I would tend to agree with you on this matter. Some have argued that many atheists view themselves as gods, and that they worship their own ideas, but even this would not qualify as religion under the above definition. However, look at the final definition provided by Merriam-Websters:
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Using this definition, many atheists would certainly be categorized as religious, particularly the so-called New Atheists like Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher. It would be better to consider them anti-theists (against God) or misotheists (haters of God). These men and others like them spend much of their time railing against the Creator they say doesnt even exist. Strangely enough, these misotheists seem to be more obsessed with God than most Christians. They most certainly hold to their cause and beliefs with ardor and faith.
The article to which you responded explained exactly how religion was being defined: It is a set of beliefs through which they view and interpret the world that they cling to with blind faith and ardor. This sounds much like the second definition listed above.
Not to mention, you said we follow a certain set of beliefs based on blind faith.
Chief among these elements of blind faith is your belief that God does not exist. Since you could never prove the nonexistence of God without possessing all knowledge (in which case you would be God), this is a tenet of your system that is held by blind faith.
Another word that should be mentioned and defined here is dogma. The following definitions of dogma are found at Dictionary.com:
An official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as a of a church
A specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church
Prescribed doctrine proclaimed by a particular group.
Settled or established opinion, belief, or principle
Atheists follow the dogma that God does not exist, especially in accordance with the third and fourth definitions above. And the way that many atheists assert their belief so dogmatically is another way in which they act religiously.
For starters, no two Atheists agree on every world view.
The same could be said for about any group of people. Yes, even Christians within the same congregation will often disagree on some finer points of doctrine largely due to our limited knowledge and experience. But this statement dodges the real issue. It matters not if two atheists agree on every aspect of their worldview; they do agree in claiming that God does not exist. Their faith in that dogma is the issue at hand.
An Atheist simply means that person does not believe in any gods. Some Atheists think the existence of a god is impossible, while others think its possible but see no reason to worship any gods.
The vast majority of the atheists we hear from would fall into your first category since they are the most vocal in opposing Christianity.
Instead of worshiping the Creator who made everyone, atheists have essentially chosen to worship the creature. An atheist worships (holds as the most important, respects the most, gives highest priority to, or treats as the highest authority and the source of meaning and morality) himself, or money, or sex, or a movie star, or an athlete, or the government, and so on. An atheist is an idolater just as much as someone who bows before a statue or other man-made object representing his deity. Just in case you think that idolatry cannot be committed by an atheist, consider how the eleventh edition of Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary defines this term.
the worship of a physical object as a god
immoderate attachment or devotion to something
As an atheist you must believe in evolution and so you cling to a view that requires mindless matter to work miracles, such as causing life to arise from non-living materials and intelligence to come from non-intelligence.
We believe in an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing God who created life and everything else. He repeatedly demonstrated His ability to work miracles before thousands of witnesses. He walked on water, calmed the storm, healed the sick, lame, blind, and deaf, and He even raised the dead to life. As such, the Christian faith is not a blind faith.
Furthermore, its ironic that you say Atheists use blind faith to justify their beliefs. That is hilarious. Atheism is based on logic.
Now thats truly ironic. If atheism were true, rational thought would not and could not exist, for the atheists thoughts would just be the result of time and chance and the laws of nature. Therefore, our minds would just be rearranged atoms, no more rational than pond scum. Atheism is rooted in philosophical naturalismmatter is all that exists. Yet laws of logic, such as the law of identity and the law of non-contradiction, are immaterial. So atheism cannot provide the rational foundation for logic. Instead, atheism must steal from a theistic worldview to even use logic. Only if there is a rational Creator is there a basis for the laws of logic. Thus, an atheists attempt to prove atheism using logic is self-defeating.
There is no reason to worship any god based off of a fictional book that promotes racism and bigotry.
So this is part of your logical defense of atheism? You have not argued against Gods existence, but have only tried to show that He isnt worthy of worship by creating a giant straw-man argument.
First, the Bible is not a fictional book. It is the Word of God and is therefore inerrant and infallible in the original manuscripts. Also, even if the Bible had some errors, which it doesnt, it would not instantly turn all the rest of it into fiction. This is empty rhetoric on your part.
Second, perhaps you can explain how it is racist to believe that every people group is descended from Adam and Eve (and later Noah and his wife), and that we are all made of one blood (Acts 17:26). Where is the racism or bigotry in the following commands given by the Son of God?
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. (Matthew 22:37)
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:39)
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecuted you. (Matthew 5:44)
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
While its true that Christians have sometimes fallen short of these commands, even to the point of bigotry and racism, it does not follow that the Bible promotes these vices. Rather Jesus taught His followers to love all people, and to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:1820). The Bible also teaches that people from every tongue, tribe, and nation will be redeemed and spend eternity together worshipping the one true God (Revelation 5:9).
You seem to think that bigotry and racism are wrong, but why would they be wrong in an atheistic worldview? Who gets to decide what is right and wrong in a system that provides no absolute basis for morality? Please notice, I did not claim that an atheist cannot live a moral life; I am pointing out that their belief system does not provide anything but an arbitrary basis for that morality. If life is simply a cosmic accident, a jumble of atoms that happened to come together in the right way at the right time, and if man is nothing more than another animal in the evolutionary tree of life, then where do your standards come from? Do you get mad about a lion killing a gazelle or are you outraged when an eagle kills a rabbit? Does it trouble you when vinegar and baking soda react? From an atheistic evolutionary perspective, all of these things have the same intrinsic non-worth as a human being, a blade of grass, or a grain of sand. So why would you get upset with a Christian identifying atheism as a religion?
And since were interested in defining terms, lets look at how Merriam-Websters defines bigot.
A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Christians are routinely called bigots in our culture, and yet the shoe is more often on the other foot. Anti-theists have called us all sorts of inflammatory terms, and yet we find that they can be filled with so much hate and intolerance toward Christians and the God of the Bible. So by definition, these people should be classified as bigots.
Your religion requires nothing other than blind faith. Just following the motions and not second guessing anything.
This is a curious charge to direct at an apologetics ministry. We believe Christians should be ready to give an answer or defense for their beliefs (1 Peter 3:15), that is, to give reasoned arguments for why we believe what we believe to be true. Therefore we have thousands of articles on our website designed to equip Christians to do just that. And while some Christians do hold to something akin to blind faith, that is not what the Bible teaches. Christianity is by no means a blind faith. It is rooted and grounded in real events in history, most notably the Crucifixion, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Keeping its members ignorant so the churches can rake in more dough to pay for the pastors new Lexus.
If you think these prosperity peddlers frequently seen on television represent biblical Christianity, then you have not done your homework. Instead, you have built another straw-man argument to torch. These men rarely, if ever, preach the gospel of the crucified and risen Savior. Sure, they talk about God quite a bit, but its usually in the context of how many material blessings He supposedly wants to give you if you are willing to donate to their ministry. This is not biblical Christianity and the vast majority of pastors do not live in luxury or drive fancy cars.
Jesus said, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me . . . . For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? (Luke 9:23, 25). Jesus taught His followers to serve others and deny self, so those who live for worldly gain are not obeying the Lord.
Next time you ATTEMPT to bash Atheists, do your research dude.
Based on the above discussion, I would challenge you to do your research before attempting to call us out. You have failed to properly understand Christianity and you mock caricatures of the faith, but have not even come close to offering a valid critique of the faith itself.
You may be away with spewing B.S. in a church setting by thats not how it works in the real world, guy.
Sadly, in the real world most people arent interested in logical arguments; they are persuaded by propaganda and empty rhetoric. Its quite arrogant for you to imply that all Christians are idiots who blindly follow whatever their pastor proclaims as he milks them for their money. But a large and growing number of Christians are being equipped by Answers in Genesis and other apologetics ministries to defend their faith with rational arguments. And most Bible-believing, truly gospel-preaching pastors are humble servants of Gods people. Also, many of the greatest scientists and thinkers of all time have been Bible-believing Christians.
You may believe it to be foolish to follow the risen Savior Jesus Christ, but someday you will see Him highly exalted. If you have not trusted in Him, then you will be judged for all eternity, but not before you kneel before Him and proclaim that He is Lord (Philippians 2:911). I pray that you will turn from your sins and ask for His forgiveness before that day comes.
Sincerely,
Tim Chaffey, AiGUS
by Tim Chaffey on July 25, 2015
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Editors note: We at Answers in Genesis received some feedback about our assertion that atheism is a religion. Our response is interspersed throughout portions of the feedback.
Atheism is not a religion. Not even close. If you read the definition, you would quickly realize that Atheists dont worship any deities.
As with any debated issue, it is crucial to immediately define the key terms, so I agree that we should check the definition of religion. The following definitions are found in the eleventh edition of Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary:
1b(1): the service and worship of God or the supernatural
If this were the only definition of religion, then I would tend to agree with you on this matter. Some have argued that many atheists view themselves as gods, and that they worship their own ideas, but even this would not qualify as religion under the above definition. However, look at the final definition provided by Merriam-Websters:
4: a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
Using this definition, many atheists would certainly be categorized as religious, particularly the so-called New Atheists like Richard Dawkins and Bill Maher. It would be better to consider them anti-theists (against God) or misotheists (haters of God). These men and others like them spend much of their time railing against the Creator they say doesnt even exist. Strangely enough, these misotheists seem to be more obsessed with God than most Christians. They most certainly hold to their cause and beliefs with ardor and faith.
The article to which you responded explained exactly how religion was being defined: It is a set of beliefs through which they view and interpret the world that they cling to with blind faith and ardor. This sounds much like the second definition listed above.
Not to mention, you said we follow a certain set of beliefs based on blind faith.
Chief among these elements of blind faith is your belief that God does not exist. Since you could never prove the nonexistence of God without possessing all knowledge (in which case you would be God), this is a tenet of your system that is held by blind faith.
Another word that should be mentioned and defined here is dogma. The following definitions of dogma are found at Dictionary.com:
An official system of principles or tenets concerning faith, morals, behavior, etc., as a of a church
A specific tenet or doctrine authoritatively laid down, as by a church
Prescribed doctrine proclaimed by a particular group.
Settled or established opinion, belief, or principle
Atheists follow the dogma that God does not exist, especially in accordance with the third and fourth definitions above. And the way that many atheists assert their belief so dogmatically is another way in which they act religiously.
For starters, no two Atheists agree on every world view.
The same could be said for about any group of people. Yes, even Christians within the same congregation will often disagree on some finer points of doctrine largely due to our limited knowledge and experience. But this statement dodges the real issue. It matters not if two atheists agree on every aspect of their worldview; they do agree in claiming that God does not exist. Their faith in that dogma is the issue at hand.
An Atheist simply means that person does not believe in any gods. Some Atheists think the existence of a god is impossible, while others think its possible but see no reason to worship any gods.
The vast majority of the atheists we hear from would fall into your first category since they are the most vocal in opposing Christianity.
Instead of worshiping the Creator who made everyone, atheists have essentially chosen to worship the creature. An atheist worships (holds as the most important, respects the most, gives highest priority to, or treats as the highest authority and the source of meaning and morality) himself, or money, or sex, or a movie star, or an athlete, or the government, and so on. An atheist is an idolater just as much as someone who bows before a statue or other man-made object representing his deity. Just in case you think that idolatry cannot be committed by an atheist, consider how the eleventh edition of Merriam-Websters Collegiate Dictionary defines this term.
the worship of a physical object as a god
immoderate attachment or devotion to something
As an atheist you must believe in evolution and so you cling to a view that requires mindless matter to work miracles, such as causing life to arise from non-living materials and intelligence to come from non-intelligence.
We believe in an eternal, all-powerful, all-knowing God who created life and everything else. He repeatedly demonstrated His ability to work miracles before thousands of witnesses. He walked on water, calmed the storm, healed the sick, lame, blind, and deaf, and He even raised the dead to life. As such, the Christian faith is not a blind faith.
Furthermore, its ironic that you say Atheists use blind faith to justify their beliefs. That is hilarious. Atheism is based on logic.
Now thats truly ironic. If atheism were true, rational thought would not and could not exist, for the atheists thoughts would just be the result of time and chance and the laws of nature. Therefore, our minds would just be rearranged atoms, no more rational than pond scum. Atheism is rooted in philosophical naturalismmatter is all that exists. Yet laws of logic, such as the law of identity and the law of non-contradiction, are immaterial. So atheism cannot provide the rational foundation for logic. Instead, atheism must steal from a theistic worldview to even use logic. Only if there is a rational Creator is there a basis for the laws of logic. Thus, an atheists attempt to prove atheism using logic is self-defeating.
There is no reason to worship any god based off of a fictional book that promotes racism and bigotry.
So this is part of your logical defense of atheism? You have not argued against Gods existence, but have only tried to show that He isnt worthy of worship by creating a giant straw-man argument.
First, the Bible is not a fictional book. It is the Word of God and is therefore inerrant and infallible in the original manuscripts. Also, even if the Bible had some errors, which it doesnt, it would not instantly turn all the rest of it into fiction. This is empty rhetoric on your part.
Second, perhaps you can explain how it is racist to believe that every people group is descended from Adam and Eve (and later Noah and his wife), and that we are all made of one blood (Acts 17:26). Where is the racism or bigotry in the following commands given by the Son of God?
You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind. (Matthew 22:37)
You shall love your neighbor as yourself. (Matthew 22:39)
But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecuted you. (Matthew 5:44)
This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you. (John 15:12)
While its true that Christians have sometimes fallen short of these commands, even to the point of bigotry and racism, it does not follow that the Bible promotes these vices. Rather Jesus taught His followers to love all people, and to make disciples of all nations (Matthew 28:1820). The Bible also teaches that people from every tongue, tribe, and nation will be redeemed and spend eternity together worshipping the one true God (Revelation 5:9).
You seem to think that bigotry and racism are wrong, but why would they be wrong in an atheistic worldview? Who gets to decide what is right and wrong in a system that provides no absolute basis for morality? Please notice, I did not claim that an atheist cannot live a moral life; I am pointing out that their belief system does not provide anything but an arbitrary basis for that morality. If life is simply a cosmic accident, a jumble of atoms that happened to come together in the right way at the right time, and if man is nothing more than another animal in the evolutionary tree of life, then where do your standards come from? Do you get mad about a lion killing a gazelle or are you outraged when an eagle kills a rabbit? Does it trouble you when vinegar and baking soda react? From an atheistic evolutionary perspective, all of these things have the same intrinsic non-worth as a human being, a blade of grass, or a grain of sand. So why would you get upset with a Christian identifying atheism as a religion?
And since were interested in defining terms, lets look at how Merriam-Websters defines bigot.
A person obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance
Christians are routinely called bigots in our culture, and yet the shoe is more often on the other foot. Anti-theists have called us all sorts of inflammatory terms, and yet we find that they can be filled with so much hate and intolerance toward Christians and the God of the Bible. So by definition, these people should be classified as bigots.
Your religion requires nothing other than blind faith. Just following the motions and not second guessing anything.
This is a curious charge to direct at an apologetics ministry. We believe Christians should be ready to give an answer or defense for their beliefs (1 Peter 3:15), that is, to give reasoned arguments for why we believe what we believe to be true. Therefore we have thousands of articles on our website designed to equip Christians to do just that. And while some Christians do hold to something akin to blind faith, that is not what the Bible teaches. Christianity is by no means a blind faith. It is rooted and grounded in real events in history, most notably the Crucifixion, burial, and Resurrection of Jesus Christ.
Keeping its members ignorant so the churches can rake in more dough to pay for the pastors new Lexus.
If you think these prosperity peddlers frequently seen on television represent biblical Christianity, then you have not done your homework. Instead, you have built another straw-man argument to torch. These men rarely, if ever, preach the gospel of the crucified and risen Savior. Sure, they talk about God quite a bit, but its usually in the context of how many material blessings He supposedly wants to give you if you are willing to donate to their ministry. This is not biblical Christianity and the vast majority of pastors do not live in luxury or drive fancy cars.
Jesus said, If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow Me . . . . For what profit is it to a man if he gains the whole world, and is himself destroyed or lost? (Luke 9:23, 25). Jesus taught His followers to serve others and deny self, so those who live for worldly gain are not obeying the Lord.
Next time you ATTEMPT to bash Atheists, do your research dude.
Based on the above discussion, I would challenge you to do your research before attempting to call us out. You have failed to properly understand Christianity and you mock caricatures of the faith, but have not even come close to offering a valid critique of the faith itself.
You may be away with spewing B.S. in a church setting by thats not how it works in the real world, guy.
Sadly, in the real world most people arent interested in logical arguments; they are persuaded by propaganda and empty rhetoric. Its quite arrogant for you to imply that all Christians are idiots who blindly follow whatever their pastor proclaims as he milks them for their money. But a large and growing number of Christians are being equipped by Answers in Genesis and other apologetics ministries to defend their faith with rational arguments. And most Bible-believing, truly gospel-preaching pastors are humble servants of Gods people. Also, many of the greatest scientists and thinkers of all time have been Bible-believing Christians.
You may believe it to be foolish to follow the risen Savior Jesus Christ, but someday you will see Him highly exalted. If you have not trusted in Him, then you will be judged for all eternity, but not before you kneel before Him and proclaim that He is Lord (Philippians 2:911). I pray that you will turn from your sins and ask for His forgiveness before that day comes.
Sincerely,
Tim Chaffey, AiGUS
Aug 2, 2015 01:28:30 #
Armageddun wrote:
Feedback: Is Atheism a Religion? br br by Tim Cha... (show quote)
Define deity? Reason is quite often spoken of as a god in both religion and philosophy, as is the ego. Science as well can be taken as a god, as many in the Church argue. Religion is better defined by faith, what a person places his trust in and is devoted to. To me, atheism more than qualifies. But ask any atheist if they have faith and the resounding reply will be no. "Facts! Nothing but the facts!" Reality does not concord.
Atheism has various beliefs against the existence of God based on their readings of religious texts, including the Bible. They have faith in their interpretations. They are devoted and subject to their Reason for these interpretations. They create an image of God by their faith in Reason and their interpretations that they can righteously scorn in their eyes, and are too blind to see this requires great faith. It is there faithful creation. And how can they argue against faith if they claim they do not and never had any? Would my argument against the deliciousness of chocolate hold up if I never tasted it?
Atheism is a religion, but maybe Cult of the Blind is a better description.
Aug 2, 2015 09:41:58 #
no propaganda please
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Poppino wrote:
Define deity? Reason is quite often spoken of as a... (show quote)
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Aug 2, 2015 11:40:12 #
Armageddun wrote:
Feedback: Is Atheism a Religion?
by Tim Chaffey on July 25, 2015
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Editors note: We at Answers in Genesis received some feedback about our assertion that atheism is a religion. Our response is interspersed throughout portions of the feedback.
Atheism is not a religion. Not even close. If you read the definition, you would quickly realize that Atheists dont worship any deities.
Sincerely,
Tim Chaffey, AiGUS
by Tim Chaffey on July 25, 2015
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Editors note: We at Answers in Genesis received some feedback about our assertion that atheism is a religion. Our response is interspersed throughout portions of the feedback.
Atheism is not a religion. Not even close. If you read the definition, you would quickly realize that Atheists dont worship any deities.
Sincerely,
Tim Chaffey, AiGUS
I'm not sure who you're trying to reach, Atheists wouldn't disagree with you, and neither would Christians...why would anyone waste the energy?
Aug 2, 2015 22:16:34 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
I'm not sure who you're trying to reach, Atheists wouldn't disagree with you, and neither would Christians...why would anyone waste the energy?
DB,
One cannot be a little bit pregnant, either you is or you ain't.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just sayin :!:
Aug 3, 2015 01:47:46 #
Aug 4, 2015 15:25:27 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Poppino wrote:
Define deity? Reason is quite often spoken of as a... (show quote)
Atheists come to their conclusion due to the fact that not a single religion is consistent with their observations of the world, nor does the "magic" associated with religions actually happen.
But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make.
Aug 4, 2015 15:36:57 #
Armageddun wrote:
DB,
One cannot be a little bit pregnant, either you is or you ain't.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just sayin :!:
One cannot be a little bit pregnant, either you is or you ain't.
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: Just sayin :!:
I'm confused by your response. I guess I need to make myself clear.
The article implies that Atheists can't be religious...which I would remark that they don't disagree with that. Take for instance: school prayer, a lack of reverence is the issue made by many Christians, however if you are an atheist, a non-believer what difference does a lack of reverence mean if prayer is meaningless. I don't just arbitrarily start reciting the pledge allegiance everywhere, that would be stupid. And all of the other nonsense that the author spouted...well is nonsense. They don't worship anything. To pay attention to the world around you does not imply worship. They are temporal players. It would probably be more meaningful to say that they are more motivated to make something of themselves in this life than most Christians are. Warren Buffet comes to mind. He's a big atheist. He doesn't brag about it, but he is.
Why are Christians so afraid of atheists? They don't want your pity, your prayers. If someone doesn't feel they need God, that is their choice. Are you afraid of the questions they ask?
Anyone can pretend to be a Christian. It's easy, especially if you grew up in the church. I can even pretend to be a Catholic, I know the hand motions. I can pretend to be Jewish, because my dad's family was Jewish.
I would rather be friends with a hundred atheists that are honest to themselves (or truthful) than to have one 1 Christian friend that pretends to be reverent so that they fit in...who knows what else they're hiding?
Aug 4, 2015 22:30:16 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
I'm confused by your response. I guess I need to ... (show quote)
There are skeletons in every closet. In other words, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
Aug 4, 2015 23:09:17 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Armageddun wrote:
There are skeletons in every closet. In other words, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
All have sinned. I can accept that. Rather, we've all done some bad or stupid things.
Aug 5, 2015 03:05:11 #
Aug 5, 2015 03:12:06 #
nwtk2007 wrote:
Atheists come to their conclusion due to the fact that not a single religion is consistent with their observations of the world, nor does the "magic" associated with religions actually happen.
But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make.
But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make.
The "magic" has happened for me, but please explain how "not a single religion is consistent with their observations of the world"?
"But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make." Give me a break. Atheism in the US especially, or so it seems, is defined by attacks on a shallow look at scripture and the literalistic view of some Christians.
Aug 5, 2015 07:41:20 #
Armageddun wrote:
There are skeletons in every closet. In other words, "All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God."
....not if you're an atheist....
Aug 5, 2015 08:04:44 #
nwtk2007
Loc: Texas
Poppino wrote:
The "magic" has happened for me, but please explain how "not a single religion is consistent with their observations of the world"?
"But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make." Give me a break. Atheism in the US especially, or so it seems, is defined by attacks on a shallow look at scripture and the literalistic view of some Christians.
"But especially, for those in the US and the Bible crowd, not believing the myths of the Bible does not an atheist make." Give me a break. Atheism in the US especially, or so it seems, is defined by attacks on a shallow look at scripture and the literalistic view of some Christians.
No it's not. Only in your mind, being one of those believers in magic.
I'm no atheist and I love to rag on people believing the fairy tales.
You might get some huncky dorey feeling at some religious gathering but that's not the "magic" atheists or myself are referring to.
Aug 5, 2015 13:17:28 #
Dummy Boy wrote:
....not if you're an atheist....
Do you know what the word "all" means?
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