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Aug 25, 2013 21:45:38   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
ginnyt wrote:
Again, you are wrong. Soros is an active supporter of the Open Society Foundations who are media based. They say they "work to protect freedom of the press, expand public access to information, and promote high-quality, independent journalism." Fox news is now owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corp. Saudi billionaire Prince Alwaleed bin Talal owns more than 7 percent of Rupert Murdoch's News group. The sale happened earlier this year, shortly after Alwaleed bin Tala met with them and proposed a buy out plan. The tie to Soros is with Open Society Foundation who has shares in the Murdoch's Group and also does work for the prince. Now, go do some homework for yourself, do the research and look carefully at funding and not just with ownership.
Again, you are wrong. Soros is an active supporte... (show quote)


Conservative Saudis fund a lot of things. Search problems with George soros, put that in your search box please.

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Aug 25, 2013 21:46:45   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
andrew998 wrote:
I h**ed GW when he was elected and I turned out to be right. All he did was turn the reins over to Cheney and then went to sleep for about 7 years. That does not mean I would disrespect him in any way by making jokes by spelling his name wrong or with Mad magazine type cartoons. I would never even think about it although I might criticize his policies. That, at least is intellect.

They are all sleazy hacks since Kennedy.

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Aug 25, 2013 21:57:11   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I did not do research MSNBC, but I would trust their news over many others. They report both sides, when there are two sides. I also tune into others, just to see their views. Because we can not really know the t***h, we have to have faith that someone is reporting the t***h.

btw, I lived in the Village for a while, 93d and Perry Street. I read the Post right before I lined my cat's litter box. I did not really care about politics back then.

It is true that the media has gone through a remake due to public perception, and it started in the 60s. However, you must see that a new wave hit our nation with the e******n of Obama and has somewhat waned after the problems that arose due to Bengasi, NSA, and IRS. Again, I understand that public opinion does sway what is said by the media and how they present "facts." You can almost predict e******ns by what words are used in connection with a candidate.

Whether a media is hard left or right is also determined by ownership and which side of the fence they fall. Before the buy out of Fox, they were so far right they went in circles. Now not only are they moderating their approach to many things the Right are impassioned, but they are now saying Obamacare may not be so bad. Is that a shift or not?

Sorry, but people are people. Many are too lazy of mind and sprit to research the t***h. Consider this, in every lie there is a grain of t***h. And in every t***h there is a grain of a lie. It is like an argument, no one is always wrong and no one is always right. The t***h in all matters lie somewhere in the gray area. Unless you are arguing with your wife and you can always have the last words "Yes, dear."


rumitoid wrote:
ginnyt, GE is the biggest sponsor of MSNBC, who have run stories that do not put this corporation in the best of light. When I was a kid and going into my thirties, the NYPost was pretty much considered pinko at best, along with the defunct Journal American. (I am a Bronxite.) Now it is hardline Right, under Murdock. Follow the editorial policies of every media outlet he purchased: right, right, far far right. His thumb is in every pie. The Wall Street Journal had been one of those media outlets that were considered and shown to be assiduously objective and needed to be that way. Look at it now.

Murdock is part of "the media." A big part. When those on the right say "media" it is like spitting or. to some, vomitting: it is believed to be all left wing manipulated or controlled. Silly. Not only that, analysis has shown that the media in the 60s was pathetically left wing biased. The result, which took a few years, was a movement by the major networks to improve their image as true "news sources" and yield more to the Right. Nearly impossible to convince a conservative this is the actual case.

Ideofactoids trump actual facts on this site with fair consistency. When something is repeated a few thousand times, always with what seems like convincing details from good friends and trusted sources, it becomes real and solid and immutable. "Everybody knows" this is the t***h. Why challenge something that "everybody knows" is true? Why look for ourselves? A lot would be called into question about our loyalties even to ask for a little more info.

For me, I trust the passion of many on the Right here: they want with all their hearts what is best for America. I would have to say that the many insults I get (and I do not consider myself a "prog," a "democrap," or a "libertard" or a Leftie at all) give me some hope for change; we need such all out caring for our democracy. But then the adament d******eness negates that.
ginnyt, GE is the biggest sponsor of MSNBC, who ha... (show quote)

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Aug 25, 2013 22:03:07   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
There are many problems with George Soros, but they seemed unrelated to the question asked. I try to only answer the question and try hard not to muddy the waters with unrelated issues. The Prince in question is not a Conservative. He is an interesting individual without considering what he owns. He has some interesting views.

I will do as you recommend and do a relook at Mr. Soros. I am sure that I must have missed something. I respect your opinion and find that the majority of your responses are thorough.

73STNGLKABEE wrote:
Conservative Saudis fund a lot of things. Search problems with George soros, put that in your search box please.

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Aug 25, 2013 22:07:26   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
ginnyt wrote:
There are many problems with George Soros, but they seemed unrelated to the question asked. I try to only answer the question and try hard not to muddy the waters with unrelated issues. The Prince in question is not a Conservative. He is an interesting individual without considering what he owns. He has some interesting views.

I will do as you recommend and do a relook at Mr. Soros. I am sure that I must have missed something. I respect your opinion and find that the majority of your responses are thorough.
There are many problems with George Soros, but the... (show quote)


If I am not mistaken, Saudi princes are all very conservative. I will go back aand double check though, thanx and have a good evening.

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Aug 25, 2013 22:09:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Good night and sleep well.
73STNGLKABEE wrote:
If I am not mistaken, Saudi princes are all very conservative. I will go back aand double check though, thanx and have a good evening.

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Aug 25, 2013 22:13:18   #
rumitoid
 
73STNGLKABEE wrote:
If I am not mistaken, Saudi princes are all very conservative. I will go back aand double check though, thanx and have a good evening.


Saudi princes conservative? Opportunistic, yes, definitely, but that works well for either party. Autocratic and Oligarchic--absolutely. But do you really want to make the Saudi princes conservatives? Think twice. Or make them Obamites after a little research into how they reign.

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Aug 25, 2013 22:15:27   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
rumitoid wrote:
Saudi princes conservative? Opportunistic, yes, definitely, but that works well for either party. Autocratic and Oligarchic--absolutely. But do you really want to make the Saudi princes conservatives? Think twice. Or make them Obamites after a little research into how they reign.


Rum, Im being totally objective here, more liberal or conservative in theory? (Saudis) Which spectrum?

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Aug 25, 2013 23:12:41   #
astrolite
 
rumitoid wrote:
Saudi princes conservative? Opportunistic, yes, definitely, but that works well for either party. Autocratic and Oligarchic--absolutely. But do you really want to make the Saudi princes conservatives? Think twice. Or make them Obamites after a little research into how they reign.


The Saudi princes have funded radical Wahabism, the most radical of Islamic h**ers! The base of their sect is hatred of western culture! And the Saudis have funded the Islamification of our troops....to not offend them, our officers let it happen, lots of Americans were converted to Islam.

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Aug 26, 2013 00:08:30   #
73STNGLKABEE
 
astrolite wrote:
The Saudi princes have funded radical Wahabism, the most radical of Islamic h**ers! The base of their sect is hatred of western culture! And the Saudis have funded the Islamification of our troops....to not offend them, our officers let it happen, lots of Americans were converted to Islam.


Its strange, I work with a lot of muslims, most tell me secretly that they are worried about the continuity of normalcy here, 80% would v**e conservative 10% the other way,10% are on the fence or I cant tell. Its not that they don't like Obama, they think he is too left. Maybe Im looking at too small a segment, but Im in DC?

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Aug 26, 2013 06:16:57   #
astrolite
 
73STNGLKABEE wrote:
Its strange, I work with a lot of muslims, most tell me secretly that they are worried about the continuity of normalcy here, 80% would v**e conservative 10% the other way,10% are on the fence or I cant tell. Its not that they don't like Obama, they think he is too left. Maybe Im looking at too small a segment, but Im in DC?


If I could ask? What kind of Muslims? Refugees from repressive regimes? Meaning those wronged by their own governments? Or religious refugees--meaning those in trouble with radical Islamic Law? What passes for "American Black Muslims" ? Certainly NOT radical Islamics? Here you don't agree with a particular church.. you find another you DO agree with! But in Islam, to disagree is to be k**led, along with your whole family! I would assume that those are here for a different reason? How about members of Hamas, Al Quida, or another of the hundred or so militant sects? Or maybe the radical "k**l everyone not of our particular sect" sort? Maybe "The Muslim Brotherhood? Or the i******s, sneaked into our country, supported by our president, training in murder and arson, in not so secret camps (the president prevents the local law enforcement from investigating) . The President's secret army? Which kind do you work with? I'm assuming one of the first two?

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Aug 26, 2013 07:31:35   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
Old_Gringo wrote:
Better go back and check your 'facts'. Soros did indeed bankroll Media Matters, I'm not sure about Poitifact but it wouldn't surprise me if he bankrolled it also. There are a plethora of others he bankrolled, including Huffy Post. Ignorance on your part doesn't cut it here. Oh, and Fox News is owned by Rupert Murdock.


Soros made a contribution to Media Matters AFTER Glen Beck stated 14 times that Media Matters was owned by Soros (untrue, it is an independent body that just gets the facts out about unt***hs told by the media) Media Matters had been asking contributions from Soros's foundation, but had never gotten them. After the perp who tried to blow up the ACLU office had a jailhouse interview, and said that Glen Beck was a great teacher, and the reason for blowing up the ACLU office, Soros felt that getting the t***h out about lies in the media, like Glen Becks, was important to help prevent violence, he finally donated to Media Matters. OK, question here. WHERE do you get unbiased FACTS, not opinion. It can't be Fox, they have been called out for presenting unt***hs as news-Soros owning the Diebold machines and magically affecting the e******n, Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, had something to do with 9/11, etc. Media Matters and Politicfact were created to present facts, not spin. People need a place to go for FACTS. Politifact is run by the Tampa newspaper-and they take all the political statements and run them through a meter-true, half true, false, and pants on fire. Media Matters does the same, but for "news" programs. There is some overlap when politicians appear on news programs.

Both were created to make some sense out of this divided political scene in US-so that there was one set of facts, amoung the divergent opinion

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Aug 26, 2013 07:42:18   #
astrolite
 
AnnMarie wrote:
Soros made a contribution to Media Matters AFTER Glen Beck stated 14 times that Media Matters was owned by Soros (untrue, it is an independent body that just gets the facts out about unt***hs told by the media) Media Matters had been asking contributions from Soros's foundation, but had never gotten them. After the perp who tried to blow up the ACLU office had a jailhouse interview, and said that Glen Beck was a great teacher, and the reason for blowing up the ACLU office, Soros felt that getting the t***h out about lies in the media, like Glen Becks, was important to help prevent violence, he finally donated to Media Matters. OK, question here. WHERE do you get unbiased FACTS, not opinion. It can't be Fox, they have been called out for presenting unt***hs as news-Soros owning the Diebold machines and magically affecting the e******n, Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, had something to do with 9/11, etc. Media Matters and Politicfact were created to present facts, not spin. People need a place to go for FACTS. Politifact is run by the Tampa newspaper-and they take all the political statements and run them through a meter-true, half true, false, and pants on fire. Media Matters does the same, but for "news" programs. There is some overlap when politicians appear on news programs.

Both were created to make some sense out of this divided political scene in US-so that there was one set of facts, amoung the divergent opinion
Soros made a contribution to Media Matters AFTER G... (show quote)


Ann-Marie, I have a simple test for t***h, I ask about something I personally know about! I was involved in the e******n of 2000, at Palm beach county! And have connections in our state capital. The "t***hs" about it are wild fabrications! That exposing the bias of the source!

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Aug 26, 2013 08:00:46   #
AnnMarie Loc: Madison, Wi
 
astrolite wrote:
Ann-Marie, I have a simple test for t***h, I ask about something I personally know about! I was involved in the e******n of 2000, at Palm beach county! And have connections in our state capital. The "t***hs" about it are wild fabrications! That exposing the bias of the source!


But you can't know about everything. Where do you go for unbiased information about things you do not personally know about.

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Aug 26, 2013 09:38:49   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Media Matters monitors all news and blogs for Conseritive opinions and then goes about damage control. To quote them "Launched in May 2004, Media Matters for America put in place, for the first time, the means to systematically monitor a cross section of print, broadcast, cable, radio, and Internet media outlets for conservative misinformation. Ergo, they are not interested in unt***hs told by the media, their only interest is that of what they consider misinformation told by conservatives.

I do not know enough at this point about PolitiFact to form an informed nonbiased opinion. Perhaps after I have had time to research them and follow their money trail I will be able to discuss them with sufficient knowledge base.

You ask where to go for an unbiased account. Yourself. Research the issues, read the original documents, and based on your understanding of the terms used form an opinion. You may have to abandon a political party or an ideology that you have always held as t***h, but your eyes will open and you will never again be blinded. The t***h will always set you free, and t***h has a tendency not to recognize established political boundaries.

btw, please include your references when making claims or statements. Thank you



AnnMarie wrote:
Soros made a contribution to Media Matters AFTER Glen Beck stated 14 times that Media Matters was owned by Soros (untrue, it is an independent body that just gets the facts out about unt***hs told by the media) Media Matters had been asking contributions from Soros's foundation, but had never gotten them. After the perp who tried to blow up the ACLU office had a jailhouse interview, and said that Glen Beck was a great teacher, and the reason for blowing up the ACLU office, Soros felt that getting the t***h out about lies in the media, like Glen Becks, was important to help prevent violence, he finally donated to Media Matters. OK, question here. WHERE do you get unbiased FACTS, not opinion. It can't be Fox, they have been called out for presenting unt***hs as news-Soros owning the Diebold machines and magically affecting the e******n, Sadam had weapons of mass destruction, had something to do with 9/11, etc. Media Matters and Politicfact were created to present facts, not spin. People need a place to go for FACTS. Politifact is run by the Tampa newspaper-and they take all the political statements and run them through a meter-true, half true, false, and pants on fire. Media Matters does the same, but for "news" programs. There is some overlap when politicians appear on news programs.

Both were created to make some sense out of this divided political scene in US-so that there was one set of facts, amoung the divergent opinion
Soros made a contribution to Media Matters AFTER G... (show quote)

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