BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Excuse me?! Our law has been based on Judeo Christian values since the founding of the nation! It doesn't appear to me as if its becoming more so! Exactly the opposite! I don't think you have anything to fear and there's no need to take my statements to the most extreme conclusion. Anyone could do that with any statement and it accomplishes nothing, except turn a discussion into something undesireable. Passion is OK. Rhetoric is boring at best. I'll try not to engage in it. Please don't dismiss feelings. They are relevant in the sense that many people base their v****g decisions on them; how else could Obama have been elected? OOPS! Rhetoric! Sorry! I'm as much a student of history as a philosopher (lol) and I support much of what I begin to see you do. In fact I'm warned in my favorite book to refrain from being overly evil AND overly righteous! My final authority promotes a great deal of common sense if one takes the time to look for it. There was a point at which we agreed: A national sales tax. A national sales tax in my opinion is a much better solution to the do-we-tax-chuches debate, which, you must admit, we're also not at yet. Jefferson, I believe said "He who governs least governs best". How such wisdom could be conveyed with such brevity is breathtaking. A national sales tax would end the debate neatly. Everyone would pay taxes. No one would be exempted. Anyone could say what they wanted. No one could muzzle anyone because of their tax exempt status. The thrifty would pay less tax. It would encourage savings with those who need it the most. The extravagant would pay more tax. Taxing churches now would only add one more regulation to an already ponderous tax code and it would solve nothing

user1092

OK, I won't.

There are some conservatives who are openly for total domination of religion over all aspects of our lives including social, political, and judicial.

I guess you aren't one of them. Good to know.

(But then, they'll probably call you a f**er or a rino or wh**ever.)



I don't dismiss feelings, and neither should you.

I understand that some people feel that they should be able to talk or do wh**ever they want inside their church. I can respect that.

But then, there are also people who feel that entities (such as churches) that don't pay (all) taxes shouldn't be able to do what some tax payers disagree with. Shouldn't we respect their feelings as well?

Different people want different things. And to make it all work, we have laws.

And right now, the laws allow churches to keep some of their money in exchange for not getting involved in politics. Sometimes, churches violate laws. Sometimes, the government gets involved.

As I said above, you can't have it both ways.

Vic Freits

@KG: You my friend, are on the right track. I was the one that originated the controversy about taxing religion, for the same reasons that you've exposed. Or at least Tax religions with violent past and sexual crimes against children and humans in general. In fact outlaw them completely, whether they are Ultra extreme Christianity or of Islamic nature, that might promote violence against each other in a jihad style (holy war) and against our country. Either that ... or TAX THEM TO DEATH UNTIL they won't resist the heavy tax burden on them.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Thanks friend. I'd have to be a Republican to be a Rino. Different people want different things, to be sure, and in my opinion a national sales tax would be the closest thing to an answer for everyone - with the happy exception of the IRS! Taxing churches is more of a problem than a solution. We need fewer tax laws, not more.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Won't happen friend. There's no excuse for some of the crappy things that have been done in God's name by religious people of all faiths, but as much has been done in the name of Reason - the French Revolution, or personal ambition, or just for the hell of it. I don't think the problem is so much any particular persuasion as it is a problem of human nature. There is plenty of blame to go round for the world's problems and its not really fair to pick out religion. A solution to the tax situation is a national sales tax. We would be better served by focusing on something that has a good chance of succeeding if implemented rather than something that won't address the real problem and will solve nothing even if it is implemented, which is that we have an unfair, incomprehensible and overweight tax code and the IRS has waaay more power than a bureaucracy can be trusted with.

faithistheword

Vic--Why does my practicing my Faith scare you so badly?
Liberalism is your religion, and you obviously aren't afraid of it, so why does Christianity scare you?

Vic Freits

The "Christian Monarchies" of the world got a hold of Rome to ruled the christian world for the sake of controlling the masses for their own bloody and greedy agenda. They formed and mixed an obscure sort of secrete society within. To the point where Luther got as sick as I am about religion, that he divided the same. Ottoman empire? Needless to say about what it was done. Now adays is the same dog with a much modern sytle of leach. On top of all this, the same religious right ones legislate to make sure that they have their guns to defend themseves from themselves. What a hipocrisy! Then they defend their right to bear arms by saying: OHH, guns don't k**l!! duhhh! This are pretty much, the mentality of those who hide in religions their true colors. Why not pray, "Ohh dear Jesus, (and NOT jesus Rodriguez) Please protect me from your followers; or: Forgive our traspasses as we forgive those who "TRASPASSES AGAINST US" ofcourse, another hipocrisy, because if he forgives us the way we forgive others; he'll put us all in hell for ever. Religion and guns, what a healthy spiritual mixture! Tell me another one.

Vic Freits

I guess that you have more faith in your gun (and don't tell me you don't have one) than the practicing trace of faith you have in your own religion and if I were to encounterd a member of a religion with a gun pointed at me? He'll have a better chance of tickling a hungry Lion's ass with a tooth pick, than the chance I'm gonna give him ...trust me! I'm sorry where were we?

faithistheword

SHUDDER!!!
What a boiling rage there!

Vic Freits

If that's the way you hide the t***h with such rhetoric "SHUDDER!!!
What a boiling rage there!" then, go ahead have it your way.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

You're all over the map friend. It looks to me like you're a Christian h**er. You're wasting your time bro. Find a more productive hobby. Not all Christians are conservative and not all conservatives are Christians, and the Dark Ages was a long time ago. We've had a whole gang of other bad guys since then.

73STNGLKABEE

KG, I'm like Big Mike, let churches do their thing, they do it well, but I definetly don't want religion dominating govt. or politics, that'd be foolishness, Am I off your s**t list?

73STNGLKABEE

Vic, guns k**l? My weapon is in the same place I leave it everyday, IOW, people k**l people, with wh**ever implement that's handy. Please clarify how an inanimate object could k**l some one?

user1092

You are on my can't-understand-what's-being-posted-due-to-poor-reading-comprehension-sk**ls list. Which automatically puts you on my not-worth-trying-to-debate-with-since-he-is-likely-to-go-off-on-tangents list.

Vic Freits

So let them not interfere in gay marriage because its a govt.. affair?