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Jul 18, 2015 23:58:42   #
fiatlux
 
Theo wrote:
May I respectfully disagree, without giving offense. Your earlier remarks are not coming from the King James Bible.

So it is obvious to me, you are reading something more than the KJV Bible for your understanding.

I do not think you are making it up as you go along, but it sounds too much like commentary material to me to consider it as scripture, because it is not in the Hebrew or the Greek; so that leaves commentaries.

I am not trying to pick a fight, I am trying to understand where you are coming from. Your claim so far, has been "I only read the scriptures" and regarding the scriptures, "I only read the King James."

So, level with me and let's have a friendly conversation. I really, really, don't like being considered the bad guy, but I am certainly beginning to sound like one.
May I respectfully disagree, without giving offens... (show quote)


Lol, yes you are.

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Jul 19, 2015 08:29:23   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
fiatlux wrote:
The only one God gave you: love!


But that is NOT the only one God gave me.

He gave me UNDERSTANDING.

He gave me HOPE.

He gave me DISCIPLINE.

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Jul 19, 2015 08:33:48   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
The bible is mainly about God and the Messiah, who is God in the flesh.


John 4:24 &#920;&#949;&#959;&#962; &#959; &#928;&#957;&#949;&#965;&#956;&#945; (God is Spirit): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit [&#959;&#965;&#954; &#949;&#967;&#949;&#953;] hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[&#959;&#965;&#954; is a negative particle and &#949;&#967;&#949;&#953; is a present active verb, which means "God THE SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH DURING THE TIME JESUS WALKED THE EARTH." Therefore, God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

But Jesus is Messiah, therefore Messiah is not "GOD IN FLESH" because God is spirit AND not flesh.

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Jul 19, 2015 12:02:08   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
[quote=Theo]John 4:24 &#920;&#949;&#959;&#962; &#959; &#928;&#957;&#949;&#965;&#956;&#945; (God is Spirit): and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see; for a spirit [&#959;&#965;&#954; &#949;&#967;&#949;&#953;] hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.

[&#959;&#965;&#954; is a negative particle and &#949;&#967;&#949;&#953; is a present active verb, which means "God THE SPIRIT DOES NOT HAVE FLESH DURING THE TIME JESUS WALKED THE EARTH." Therefore, God is not Jesus and Jesus is not God.

But Jesus is Messiah, therefore Messiah is not "GOD IN FLESH" because God is spirit AND not flesh.[/quote]

The soul (body) is mortal. Everyone's body and this includes Jesus. Everyone will die. Only spirits enter heaven, not physical bodies.

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Jul 19, 2015 15:50:51   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
The soul (body) is mortal. Everyone's body and this includes Jesus. Everyone will die. Only spirits enter heaven, not physical bodies.


1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Jesus was not "flesh and blood" He was "flesh and bone." His blood was poured out upon the ground in sacrifice for sins.

There is a heavenly garment that is worn by angels and men who have died in flesh. That garment has been given the name "immortality," and in Greek is called
"oikeeteerion."

The angels of Gen 6 laid their garment of oikeeteerion aside and abandoned it.; They then involved themselves with daughters of men, and begot a race of giants. When God flooded the earth, they were destroyed by the waters which separated the bodies from the spirits.

When men die, they will put on oikeeteerion, enter heaven and live for ever.

When God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, Adam became a living soul. When the man dies, the spirit returns to God who gave it, and the body returns to the dust whence it came.

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Jul 19, 2015 17:18:49   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Theo wrote:
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

Jesus was not "flesh and blood" He was "flesh and bone." His blood was poured out upon the ground in sacrifice for sins.

There is a heavenly garment that is worn by angels and men who have died in flesh. That garment has been given the name "immortality," and in Greek is called
"oikeeteerion."

The angels of Gen 6 laid their garment of oikeeteerion aside and abandoned it.; They then involved themselves with daughters of men, and begot a race of giants. When God flooded the earth, they were destroyed by the waters which separated the bodies from the spirits.

When men die, they will put on oikeeteerion, enter heaven and live for ever.

When God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, Adam became a living soul. When the man dies, the spirit returns to God who gave it, and the body returns to the dust whence it came.
1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that... (show quote)


Actually, Jesus's blood was consumed by his followers. What about John 6:48-58? You literally have to eat Jesus's body and drink his blood to be "saved". This is addressed in Psalm 16:4 "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips". Drinking blood is expressly forbidden in the Torah. It is a sin to even speak the name of another god.

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Jul 19, 2015 17:43:47   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
Actually, Jesus's blood was consumed by his followers. What about John 6:48-58? You literally have to eat Jesus's body and drink his blood to be "saved".


Well, at least I understand better why you don't believe the New Testament - You don't know how to read it.

Just like the blood of bulls and goats in the old testament sacrifice was a substitute for the guilty sinner, so also the bread and fruit of the vine is a substitute for the real body and blood given in sacrifice.

KJV Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body.

KJV Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body.

Luke 22:14 And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him.
15 And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer:
16 For I say unto you, I will not any more eat thereof, until it be fulfilled in the kingdom of God.
17 And he took the cup, and gave thanks, and said, Take this, and divide it among yourselves:
18 For I say unto you, I will not drink of the fruit of the vine, until the kingdom of God shall come.
19 And he took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance of me.
20 Likewise also the cup after supper, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood, which is shed for you.

KJV 1 Corinthians 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

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This is addressed in Psalm 16:4 "Their sorrows shall be multiplied that hasten after another god: their drink offerings of blood will I not offer, nor take up their names into my lips". Drinking blood is expressly forbidden in the Torah. It is a sin to even speak the name of another god.


And now I know why you don't understand the connections between the covenants. You don't know how to read the Old Testament either.

David is talking about his contemporaries. There is no way David could drink unlawful offerings with Saints many generations after he is dead and buried.

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Jul 19, 2015 20:15:55   #
susanblange Loc: USA
 
Theo wrote:
And now I know why you don't understand the connections between the covenants. You don't know how to read the Old Testament either.

David is talking about his contemporaries. There is no way David could drink unlawful offerings with Saints many generations after he is dead and buried.


You're distorting and twisting the words in both the NT and the OT. You have been indoctrinated by false teachers. Nobody has taught me what I believe, I take the bible literally and I am a fundamentalist. The OT is the word of the living God and the NT was inspired by Satan. Job 31:35 "...my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book". Satan means "adversary". He has always wanted to be God and through his false messiah, he is worshipped as God.

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Jul 19, 2015 21:00:55   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
You're distorting and twisting the words in both the NT and the OT. You have been indoctrinated by false teachers.


Really? Do you know someone else that teaches about the sins of Jesus?

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Nobody has taught me what I believe,


I think I figured that out by myself.

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I take the bible literally and I am a fundamentalist.


surely you mean "parts of it."

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The OT is the word of the living God


Agreed!

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and the NT was inspired by Satan. Job 31:35 "...my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book". Satan means "adversary". He has always wanted to be God and through his false messiah, he is worshipped as God.


The new testament was prophesied by Jehovah in Isiah, who foretold of the Septuagint which would be kept in store by the Hebrew people who considered it just a bad translation of the Hebrew, but they couldn't get rid of it because God gave it to them. Then when the Gentiles came into the kingdom, they used Septuagint to debate with the Hebrews, and the Hebrews lost every time, because they did not know what was in the Septuagint.

They still don't.

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Jul 19, 2015 21:00:55   #
Theo Loc: Within 1000 miles of Tampa, Florida
 
susanblange wrote:
You're distorting and twisting the words in both the NT and the OT. You have been indoctrinated by false teachers.


Really? Do you know someone else that teaches about the sins of Jesus?

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Nobody has taught me what I believe,


I think I figured that out by myself.

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I take the bible literally and I am a fundamentalist.


surely you mean "parts of it."

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The OT is the word of the living God


Agreed!

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and the NT was inspired by Satan. Job 31:35 "...my desire is, that the Almighty would answer me, and that mine adversary had written a book". Satan means "adversary". He has always wanted to be God and through his false messiah, he is worshipped as God.


The new testament was prophesied by Jehovah in Isiah, who foretold of the Septuagint which would be kept in store by the Hebrew people who considered it just a bad translation of the Hebrew, but they couldn't get rid of it because God gave it to them. Then when the Gentiles came into the kingdom, they used Septuagint to debate with the Hebrews, and the Hebrews lost every time, because they did not know what was in the Septuagint.

They still don't.

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