Why we must stop Obamacare.
The results can be seen in China. A corrupt system
Already, patients are struggling with spiraling costs, even as China has launched a basic public health-insurance program. In 2000, surgery for stomach cancer, to take one example, would have cost a patient around $1,600. Today, the fee is five times that. And yet at certain Beijing hospitals, surgeons are paid less than $50 for performing a relatively complicated operation
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http://world.time.com/2013/08/02/corruption-blights-chinas-healthcare-system/#ixzz2c2N6O4pnandrew998 wrote:
Under a truly Socialist Medicare, your cost for medical procedures would be zero. However your taxes would be higher. I can't estimate it for you because I don't have all the numbers to do the arithmetic. What would happen is that doctors would have to accept the government approved pay for that particular service and it would be lower than they currently charge. However, I am not an advocate of Socialist Medicare, I don't believe it will work in this country. The doctors are not simply going to lie down and cooperate with it.
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The actual solution is one the left would never accept and would probably be defeated by the ACLU. Operate a system of federal clinics for the poor and uninsured like the V.A. system. Don't mess with anyone else. Fix the problem without destroying the system. Operate like we do with West Point. We pay for medical school and you owe the government 5 years of service in a federal facility.
andrew998 wrote:
Under a truly Socialist Medicare, your cost for medical procedures would be zero. However your taxes would be higher. I can't estimate it for you because I don't have all the numbers to do the arithmetic. What would happen is that doctors would have to accept the government approved pay for that particular service and it would be lower than they currently charge. However, I am not an advocate of Socialist Medicare, I don't believe it will work in this country. The doctors are not simply going to lie down and cooperate with it.
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Ghost
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andrew998 wrote:
I wouldn't search for it because it should be in my face if its something they are proud of. Its probably the old problem of not all agree on it.
Then keep your head in the sand.
Not my fault the Republicans haven't hashed out a direct alternative but it is better than Obamacare that is about to be, to use Max Bachus's words, a train wreck.
In general the right has many ideas to share it is the matter if the Republicans have the balls or the stomach to actually impliment them as alternatives in form of a bill. So far they hadn't.
Unless you got some better ideas by all means we're all ears here.
Ghost wrote:
Then keep your head in the sand.
Not my fault the Republicans haven't hashed out a direct alternative but it is better than Obamacare that is about to be, to use Max Bachus's words, a train wreck.
In general the right has many ideas to share it is the matter if the Republicans have the balls or the stomach to actually impliment them as alternatives in form of a bill. So far they hadn't.
Unless you got some better ideas by all means we're all ears here.
According to dingy Harry Reid the left is purposely wanting OIllegal care to fail so that they can then initiate or implement the single payer system that the democrats really wanted all along. The single payer system is truly the socialist form of health care that will put 1*6 of the countries wealth in the hands of the government. After that the sky is the limit and bankruptcy is then eminent for the US.
Ghost
Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
bahmer wrote:
According to dingy Harry Reid the left is purposely wanting OIllegal care to fail so that they can then initiate or implement the single payer system that the democrats really wanted all along. The single payer system is truly the socialist form of health care that will put 1*6 of the countries wealth in the hands of the government. After that the sky is the limit and bankruptcy is then eminent for the US.
Maybe, but we shouldn't give up so easily and neither should we be pulled into the maelstrom with the l*****ts.
The left want this country to fail and theyll go to any lengths to make it happen even so far as to scuttle their own ship.
And that will be their final mistake. In their arrogance the left believes the American people as a whole are easily manipulated and can be told any lie under the sun enough theyll believe it. No! The t***h will come out on their great lies for their dirty schemes have already caught up with them. The more we can educate the people and show them just how much theyve been manipulated they will repulse the corrupt politicians on either side and there we may have a fighting chance to save the republic.
But we cannot solely rely on the lefts hubris. It needs to be three fold to ultimately crush the Progressive 5th column or to at least set them back 100 years to repair what they sought to destroy.
Ghost wrote:
Maybe, but we shouldn't give up so easily and neither should we be pulled into the maelstrom with the l*****ts.
The left want this country to fail and theyll go to any lengths to make it happen even so far as to scuttle their own ship.
And that will be their final mistake. In their arrogance the left believes the American people as a whole are easily manipulated and can be told any lie under the sun enough theyll believe it. No! The t***h will come out on their great lies for their dirty schemes have already caught up with them. The more we can educate the people and show them just how much theyve been manipulated they will repulse the corrupt politicians on either side and there we may have a fighting chance to save the republic.
But we cannot solely rely on the lefts hubris. It needs to be three fold to ultimately crush the Progressive 5th column or to at least set them back 100 years to repair what they sought to destroy.
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I would like to set them back further than 100 years. How about we shoot for somewhere in the BC range, like maybe 400 BC.
Ghost
Loc: The 1st state to ever secede
bahmer wrote:
I would like to set them back further than 100 years. How about we shoot for somewhere in the BC range, like maybe 400 BC.
Well if we must get very technical, Satan was the original progressive if you must know. So I think we can push them back as far as we want to if you put it that way. :mrgreen:
Ghost wrote:
Well if we must get very technical, Satan was the original progressive if you must know. So I think we can push them back as far as we want to if you put it that way. :mrgreen:
OK! So sense the earth is approximately 6,000 years old that would be in the 4,000 B.C. range right? I know that it is not exact but close enough.
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