Sicilianthing

XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX

Agreed, Only A Strict Constitutionalist Party will restore the Republic and it's founding protections.

They all work like links in a chain.

This chain is now broken and only a M*****a by the People for the people can mend it.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
What makes you believe government provides civilization? To me, government is the least group to hold civilization together!
Government destroys initiative, independence, independent thought, etc if allowed to. You may want to visit:
http://www.no-ruler.net

Glaucon

OUR government does not provide civilization, it provides the framework in which out civilization can survive and, hopefully, prosper. Some kind of structure or framework is essential for civilization to even exist. OURS is a democratically focused framework that is not perfect, but is about as good as humans have been able to build and protect.

Glaucon

Before we give up OUR constitutional government and take up arms to do something different, we need to examine imperfections we think are in OUR present constitution and remedy them. Our liberal constitutional democratic republic was carefully constructed for changes to be made as they may be required. The call to arms is not a solution.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I disagree. We have been told that civilization cannot exist without government - that being the case, how did civilization come to be?

Glaucon

I am an avid student of history, but I know on no civilization that has ever existed that was able to do so without a government. Civilization evolves from the human need to survive and look out for each other. Humans would have become extinct without some kind of government. Maybe we are defining, government, differently, but humans have never had civilization without government ..........ever.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How did civilization ever start? How did it come into the realization that 2-3 of the natives had the right to rule the others? Being a history expert, I think you will see these as valid questions.

Glaucon

Sometimes I am not sure civilization has started yet. Some of the comments on this site would cause me to be unsure.

I think the advantage of people working together for their common protection and for satisfying basic needs were natural adaptations beginning with families, tribes, and on to larger groups. Presently, we are all members of multiple, overlapping groups, family . race, religion, veterans, social class, wealth, Rotary , political party, skin color, level of formal education, etc. As specialization increased cooperation became increasingly essential and that worked only when there were some basic agreed upon rules of interaction such as the value of money, laws, contracts, public safety. And with all that, came the problem of paying for these services and that meant taxation. That is an incredibly brief overview with my understanding of the how and why of civilization.

Glaucon

First off, I didn't say I am a history expert, I said I am a avid student of history and there is a very big difference.

I think civilization has been and continues to be an evolving thing. One part of the evolution of civilization is the evolution of trade and capitalism. Capitalism was not designed by anyone, it grew and evolved from the needs and instincts of humans. That is why c*******m sounds so good but doesn't work: it was designed by philosophers and it ignored human nature.

When humans bonded together, they were very willing to give up their freedom for the protection of a king, czar, emperor, chief or something like that to keep the peace within the communities so they could go safely about their lives and protect them from other tribes and from each other. In a recent poll which was reported in Harpers Magazine, 57% of Russians agreed that they would rather have security than democracy.

We are gathering the wealth and power of our civilization into the hand of a small number of Plutocrats who pretty much rule us now. They keep their wealth and power by getting us to distract ourselves by attacking the weaker among us, the poor, by feeding us cleverly designed propaganda to get us to believe the plutocrats have our interests at heart.

Tasine Loc: Southwest US

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You could be right about civilization's possibly not yet started, in which case government just MAY BE THE CAUSE. If your suggestion holds water, so might mine.

Sicilianthing

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

I'm not disagreeing with you Con but the Bankster CFR guards will not just hand over the keys.

I wish that were the case, but I'm not convinced.

In Fact you're all about to get a glimpse of that very behavior this coming e******n.

Glaucon

Government is like a woman, we can't live with out one and we can't live with one. I have adjusted to both women and government and both are working out ok most of the time and great some of the time.

Glaucon

Humans would be unable to survive with any quality of life without some sort of government. Trust mw on that.

W8_4_It

Maybe, but We could live much better with a hell of lot less government.

Glaucon

RESPONSE:

If we were to cut government back, what would you consider the five things OUR government does that you would cut to save a significant amount of money? What would we cut to get a lot less government? What do you estimate the cost savings would be if we actually made the five cuts on the top of your list? You could make your list the top ten if you would rather. Don't for get to estimate the cost savings.