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May 25, 2015 06:03:20   #
Marcus Johnson
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
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God said he would never interfere with Free Will of Men !

But I disagree with you on your first sentence.

That would only be true if every human being were brought into the age of awareness.


When would this "age of awareness " begin?

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May 25, 2015 07:14:00   #
jelun
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
But if God is omniscient then already knew that Adam was going to eat the apple. So it wasn't truly a choice.



It always strikes me as amusing when I come across these folks who seem to think that the only aspect of free will is whether they "choose" Christianity or not.
This belief that they can then do anything and still be "saved" makes no sense when the book they refer to lists so many events of God testing and rejecting the actions of humans.
It just seems way too much like "if it feels good, do it" to me.

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May 25, 2015 07:23:17   #
Marcus Johnson
 
jelun wrote:
It always strikes me as amusing when I come across these folks who seem to think that the only aspect of free will is whether they "choose" Christianity or not.
This belief that they can then do anything and still be "saved" makes no sense when the book they refer to lists so many events of God testing and rejecting the actions of humans.
It just seems way too much like "if it feels good, do it" to me.


As long as you repent, you're in.
I think they lose the free will argument based on their omniscient god .
If something is all knowing then its ability to predict the future is flawless. Therefore any testing is moot. It can only be of use to the one's being tested.
However even that fails, if the one being tested believes that their god is omniscient.

All Christianity needs to do to make free will believable is dumb down their god. Instead of omniscient, just make him/her really, really smart. LOL.

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May 25, 2015 10:43:53   #
GRB777
 
Jer. 17:9- the carnal mind {human mind} is deceitful, and desperately wicked. Those that teach otherwise are ignorant fools. There are some few who work very hard to obey GODS law {ten commandments} . Traditional christians claim his law is only for Jews, it's too oppressive, and it's been nailed to the cross. None of those claims are biblical. 1 John 2:4 makes it clear that you must keep the law; all of it. Today the US reveres its' military, all of which are trained k**lers.This country celebrates their r*******n. They make choices. No one will make you celebrate lawlessness. True christians kept Pentecost yesterday, it always falls on the first day of the week. Did any of you? You made a choice. Do you gather for your services weekly on the first day of the week or do you keep the sabbath on the 7th day as the law requires. You make choices everyday. There are very few true christians in the world. They are imperfect, but work very hard to submit to GODS law. While 99.99999% don't even try. GOD knows those who are making right choices. Everyone makes choices, everyday, stop kidding yourselves thinking the final outcome is a foregone conclusion; it's not!!!

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May 25, 2015 10:55:41   #
Marcus Johnson
 
GRB777 wrote:
Jer. 17:9- the carnal mind {human mind} is deceitful, and desperately wicked. Those that teach otherwise are ignorant fools. There are some few who work very hard to obey GODS law {ten commandments} . Traditional christians claim his law is only for Jews, it's too oppressive, and it's been nailed to the cross. None of those claims are biblical. 1 John 2:4 makes it clear that you must keep the law; all of it. Today the US reveres its' military, all of which are trained k**lers.This country celebrates their r*******n. They make choices. No one will make you celebrate lawlessness. True christians kept Pentecost yesterday, it always falls on the first day of the week. Did any of you? You made a choice. Do you gather for your services weekly on the first day of the week or do you keep the sabbath on the 7th day as the law requires. You make choices everyday. There are very few true christians in the world. They are imperfect, but work very hard to submit to GODS law. While 99.99999% don't even try. GOD knows those who are making right choices. Everyone makes choices, everyday, stop kidding yourselves thinking the final outcome is a foregone conclusion; it's not!!!
Jer. 17:9- the carnal mind {human mind} is deceitf... (show quote)



True we make choices and we don't know the consequences of all of our choices. Your omniscient god does though. Therein lies the rub
You if its only free will to the created then its not really free will ,it's an illusion. Understand?

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May 25, 2015 11:51:20   #
BigMike Loc: yerington nv
 
Yankee Clipper wrote:
This should be a good topic and it should provide a fair share of self soul searching.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/why_official_christianity_is_dying.html


Non-denominational Christian churches are taking over.

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May 25, 2015 11:59:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
BigMike wrote:
Non-denominational Christian churches are taking over.
As are private churches. Sort of like home schooling.

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May 25, 2015 12:24:07   #
Sicilianthing
 
Marcus Johnson wrote:
When would this "age of awareness " begin?


>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well I'm no expert by any means on this subject.. but I'm gathering info that the Internet is the beginning of the Age of Awareness.

In time coming (don't know how long) when the majority of the World's Population is online and communicating, plugged in and learning.

But to get to that we'll have to go through WWIII, destroy the Bankster Families and stranglehold on World Economic affairs.

I dont think that is probable at this point.

There are roughly 7billion people on this planet and 8 families possess 99% of the Entire Asset Wealth and Currency control.

Do you understand the Magnitude of this atrocity ?

We have a very long way to go to aspire what you say above... but I'm almost positive like Stephen Hawkings says... we won't make it out of the 21st century under the current system.

Do you see why I scream at you guys to prepare, spred the word, begin the steps to training and planning for the inevitable?

The age of awareness can only be achieved by an even playing field, not by an Oligarchy of 8 families under the Threat of one

Jacob Rothschild !

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May 25, 2015 15:59:02   #
Gener
 
Yankee Clipper wrote:
This should be a good topic and it should provide a fair share of self soul searching.

http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/why_official_christianity_is_dying.html


Before I say anything else, I will make this statement. The Bible, The Zohar, The Hindu and Buddhist scriptures, and the Tao Teh Ching and I Ching all have this in common. The literal t***slation is by and large of lesser importance. All these books are coded. And they are significantly coded. They are so deeply coded that computers can only scratch the surface. It would take a thousand years to do more than scratch the surface. The fundamentalist churches make a huge mistake in assuming that only the literal t***slation has meaning. Their argument is that if it is allegorical you can make it mean anything you want. Well, not if you understand the principles. How do you find out about these codes? Well it is almost, (and almost is key here) impossible to find out without belonging to any "secret societies." However, most secret societies are well influenced by the dark side, so what do you do? You have to study and study and study and let the text infiltrate the mind until it actually changes your mental capacities. Enough said for now.

That being said, there is a certain wisdom, somewhat at least, in accepting the literal t***slation. Even if it is wrong, it does help to improve society, and make society a workable place for all. Therefore, the quote in the article above is correct in that only a society that has a kind of faith in a higher being, a spiritual reality you might say, or let me quote it here;

[ Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other. – John Adams]

has any hope of maintaining a free society. It is the nature of this planet that men NOT be free unless they can free their own minds. Too many of us just quote our favorite news sources or channels of information without any serious consideration. Why are we like this? Because without a spiritual foundation our minds are easily penetrated by dark forces and lawlessness. We become fools. "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge." In our society we think we are sooo very educated, and yet really are mindless robots.

"And ye shall know the t***h and the t***h shall make you free."

Read more: http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/05/why_official_christianity_is_dying.html#ixzz3bBLL0Jfe
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May 25, 2015 16:18:50   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
Good point, Ipnmajor.
lpnmajor wrote:
That may be due to the fact that in the USA, according to the Constitution - there never was any official Christianity. There were only Christians and as far as I know - there still are.

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May 25, 2015 16:27:11   #
Gener
 
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well I'm no expert by any means on this subject.. but I'm gathering info that the Internet is the beginning of the Age of Awareness.

In time coming (don't know how long) when the majority of the World's Population is online and communicating, plugged in and learning.

But to get to that we'll have to go through WWIII, destroy the Bankster Families and stranglehold on World Economic affairs.

I dont think that is probable at this point.

There are roughly 7billion people on this planet and 8 families possess 99% of the Entire Asset Wealth and Currency control.

Do you understand the Magnitude of this atrocity ?

We have a very long way to go to aspire what you say above... but I'm almost positive like Stephen Hawkings says... we won't make it out of the 21st century under the current system.

Do you see why I scream at you guys to prepare, spred the word, begin the steps to training and planning for the inevitable?

The age of awareness can only be achieved by an even playing field, not by an Oligarchy of 8 families under the Threat of one

Jacob Rothschild !
>>>>>>>>>>>>&g... (show quote)


The sun is now entering the Age of Aquarius, and will be there for the next 2000 years. The Age of Aquarius means the Age of awareness, or knowledge. It is counter to the previous age, the age of (spiritual) belief. In Aquarius we know. However, very few of us will see it. As is explained above. And there are forces in the world who want to make sure NOBODY gets there.

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May 25, 2015 18:20:18   #
dan miller Loc: U.S.A./Michigan
 
GOD created every thing no matter what you or any one else says ,GOD ddid not create man to be a mindless robot , but gave man/woman a free will to choice to follows his rules and way of salavtion, or follow other man (the devil,satan,allah,or a cult leader) to hell that is find with me.
But remerber it was a women/ man who ruined every thing for the rest of use who followed .So don't blame GOD FOR THE EVIL IN THE WORLD.

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May 25, 2015 18:24:28   #
Sicilianthing
 
Gener wrote:
The sun is now entering the Age of Aquarius, and will be there for the next 2000 years. The Age of Aquarius means the Age of awareness, or knowledge. It is counter to the previous age, the age of (spiritual) belief. In Aquarius we know. However, very few of us will see it. As is explained above. And there are forces in the world who want to make sure NOBODY gets there.


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Noted and I will look further into the Age of Aquarius... not that familiar with it...

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May 25, 2015 18:26:53   #
Sicilianthing
 
dan miller wrote:
GOD created every thing no matter what you or any one else says ,GOD ddid not create man to be a mindless robot , but gave man/woman a free will to choice to follows his rules and way of salavtion, or follow other man (the devil,satan,allah,or a cult leader) to hell that is find with me.
But remerber it was a women/ man who ruined every thing for the rest of use who followed .So don't blame GOD FOR THE EVIL IN THE WORLD.


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NO ! I blame Banksters for evil in the world !

Look into it.. you'll see.

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May 25, 2015 18:30:06   #
saltwind 78 Loc: Murrells Inlet, South Carolina
 
If you think that the bankers are all a bunch of evil bastards ( and you may be right) why not regulate the way they can do business? I don't see how a modern industrial country can do without banks.
Sicilianthing wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

NO ! I blame Banksters for evil in the world !

Look into it.. you'll see.

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