gairman

They weren't flawed at first but He gave them a free will and they chose to rebel. He didn't want robots so with our free will we brought a curse on creation from satan the father of all lies. We still have that choice to love Him and obey or go the other way and reap the consequences. He is not a k**l joy or denier of pleasure but just wants to warn us of the consequences.

Marcus Johnson

Just pointing out the obviously illogical idea of an omniscient deity.
If the deity already knows your choice then free will is illusory.

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

Why do I doubt everything you've said? Lots of ambiguity in there. How many atheists do you actually know, and what percentage of them made all these fantastic studies that ultimately resulted in rejection? If they were tirelessly seeking faith and sincerely wanting it, what turned them off? What discouraged them? Apparently they missed some critical spiritual t***hs. OTH, How many of these atheists you know became believers? One? None? a few? Not too many?

And, the difference between a presumption and an assumption is subtle but telling when used in the same sentence.

When you presume, you suppose something without proof, based on probability. And, to assume is to suppose or believe something without any proof. That said, I did not presume or assume anything, rather I based my post solely on the responses of atheists posting on this forum, those that leave no doubt about not only their lack of Biblical knowledge but their obvious contempt for all things Biblical or Christian. I did not presume or assume some generalization about all atheists.

Do you want the website of an atheist who, over many years, first became an agnostic then a deist then a Christian? This fellow pulls no punches and presents a thoroughly researched Biblical and scientific argument in favor of the Christian faith.

Yes, it can work both ways. I know a couple of hard-core atheists who have never touched a Bible and never will. In fact I have given up even mentioning it to them. And I know personally an agnostic who never touched a Bible until after she experienced an epiphany. Her conversion was nearly instantaneous. Now she is one of the most dev**ed Christians I know.

There is little doubt that there are Christians who have lost faith or never really attained it, and have fallen from grace, so to speak. And there are atheists who have seen the light.

Gener

Actually that is not true. That is what they teach in college and I did study anthropology, archeology, evolution and related. But colleges and universities just as governments are ruled ultimately by the same people; secret societies and groups that intentionally deceive the people and are bound and determined to make sure mankind does not know the t***h. There are different races mostly because, but not totally, because higher beings, call them gods or aliens or wh**ever, have genetically modified different groups. The Jewish race is a case in point. If one understands the codes, one understands that the story of Abraham's wife Sarah indicates she became pregnant at old age because she was implanted with specific genetic material. People who are educated think they know so much when they really know nothing.

Sicilianthing

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I'm a good Christian or Roman Catholic wh**ever you want to call it...
I'm so GOOD that I'm that guy Chopping off the Head of the Sick Psycho Muslim ScumBag who caught you and tried to take your head off when the fighting starts.

How's that sound ?

NOW STF UP !

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Jesus said "No one is good but God". Not Christians, atheists or any other religious group.

Everyone is "supposed" to be good. But when you say Christians are supposed to be good, you mean they're supposed to be better than everyone else and since they aren't you have your excuse to reject God.

The basic tenet of Christianity is that no one lives up to God's standard and God Himself did something to rectify that. In fact, only God could fix it.

It's no more complicated than this: Most people h**e the idea that they can't just do wh**ever they want and get away with it! They h**e the notion that they have to answer to an Ultimate Authority and they aren't worthy of eternity on their own merits.

So by all means, use Christians as an excuse to reject God. It's just an excuse like hundreds of others.

bahmer

This an interesting title for a thread.

Why Official Christianity Is Dying

I am a Christian and I do believe the Bible as well.

I have a brother in law who is a minister an a son in law who has a ministers licence. I also have known many pastors in my lifetime.

I look at the Bible at least for me as sort of like the book you get when you buy a new car or appliance or most anything today and it is called am Operators manual. In there you will find out what to do and not do to keep your new car or appliance operating smoothly and trouble free. The choice is yours as to whether you follow the manual or not.

As far as is Official Christianity in America Dying you have to first off decide as to what is official Christianity? There are so many denominations out there it would be difficult to say one is more official than another. That is problem number one.

But as I look at it back in the forties and fifties every family wanted their children to go to college and make something of themselves. That was the goal back them. Also there was the cold war with Russia at that time as well. I can well remember the drills of hiding under the desks in case of a nuclear bomb. I can also remember Khrushchev banging his shoe on the desk and telling us that they "Russia" would bury us from within.

We had the hippie movement. We had the free love era. We had women burning their bras. We also started getting a different type of college professor back then as well. They were more liberal. We started questioning everything even our churches and pastors.

Churches are all like miny businesses as they all have to show a profit. They can't run very long on the democrat principals like they do in IL.

How do you generate clientele for the church? You can scare them in and tell them of their sin or you can give them a feel good sermon and send them on their way with a smile face. Many churches have chosen the later as a way to attract more customers into their sanctuaries and after that wears off they leave.

That kind of sums up my opinion as I see it.

jetson

When you figure out why a woodpecker beats his brains out on the side of a tree, you might understand.

jetson

Right after the rapture, you will see a big run on Christianity.

Marcus Johnson

Well actually the woodpecker is quite well suited for the task.

You on the other hand....not so much.

What verse in the bible talks about the rapture, specifically ?

Yeah I can't seem to find the word "Rapture " any where.

The best thing about the rapture is all the rude,obnoxious jerk like you will be gone.
hallelujah and a f×king men!

Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon

Proverbs 18:2
2 A fool takes no pleasure in understanding,
but only in expressing his opinion.

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

:lol: :lol: :lol: :thumbup:

BigMike Loc: yerington nv

Nope...only the forgiven ones! :lol:

Nickolai

Bull.! Humans evolved on the savanna where food was scarce and they had to compete with the saber toothed Tigers, Hyenas, and Leopards The gods had nothing to do with it

America Only Loc: From the right hand of God

You are the typical Heroin Addict.....yep! Next, you will be crack pipe material....at best.