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May 24, 2015 13:24:33   #
vernon
 
fullsailale wrote:
again, i can and will say the same about the democrats as well as the republicans.


but the demorats are organized they get every thing they want.we dont seem to have any leaders that have the balls to fight them.they have given on every thing they proposedand i didnt v**e for that.

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May 24, 2015 13:34:26   #
fullsailale Loc: washington
 
vernon wrote:
but the demorats are organized they get every thing they want.we dont seem to have any leaders that have the balls to fight them.they have given on every thing they proposedand i didnt v**e for that.


so the bottom line here is the government system that we held so dearly for all these years is burning out and broken. its not working. we need both working together on a balanced plain. right now its not balanced. and if it dont get balanced then all will go very ugly.

view the following. this makes it all clear to me anyway.

http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm

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May 24, 2015 18:13:46   #
vernon
 
Geezer1948 wrote:
If we repeal the 17th amendment, we go back to letting the state legislatures electing the Senate! And that's an improvement?



absolutely, its dam sure better than the parties running the show.

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May 24, 2015 18:19:09   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
fullsailale wrote:
again, i can and will say the same about the democrats as well as the republicans.
There's the Obama regime (includes media and crony capitalists) and there is We the People.

It's us against them.

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May 24, 2015 20:07:22   #
fullsailale Loc: washington
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There's the Obama regime (includes media and crony capitalists) and there is We the People.

It's us against them.


thats right, and if we dont get out of this us against them, them against us. then we (us/them) loose. is this what we want?

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May 24, 2015 20:18:37   #
vernon
 
fullsailale wrote:
thats right, and if we dont get out of this us against them, them against us. then we (us/them) loose. is this what we want?



are you saying we should just let them do their thing with out trying to stop them?

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May 25, 2015 03:10:15   #
Geezer1948 Loc: Moving soon
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
There's the Obama regime (includes media and crony capitalists) and there is We the People.

It's us against them.

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition...and keep your powder dry.

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May 25, 2015 04:37:47   #
Kevyn
 
vernon wrote:
absolutely, its dam sure better than the parties running the show.
You don't think the parties run state government?

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May 25, 2015 05:04:55   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
vernon wrote:
absolutely, its dam sure better than the parties running the show.
problem is a Republican legislature would pock a republican senator and a Democrat legislature would pick a Democrat senator. Representation would be taken from the people and partys would have their power cemented for themselves not us.

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May 25, 2015 10:37:08   #
Geezer1948 Loc: Moving soon
 
Exactly , Tom. That's why the 17th was passed in the first place.

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May 25, 2015 11:34:09   #
vernon
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
problem is a Republican legislature would pock a republican senator and a Democrat legislature would pick a Democrat senator. Representation would be taken from the people and partys would have their power cemented for themselves not us.


the senate was set up to represent the states,the house is the peoples house.with the way the senate rules are set up all they do really is represent them selves.

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May 25, 2015 11:38:29   #
vernon
 
[quote=Kevyn]You don't think the parties run state government?

sure they do but they are much closer to the people and will come closer to hearing them not like dc where commandments down from on hi.

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May 25, 2015 11:42:17   #
vernon
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
problem is a Republican legislature would pock a republican senator and a Democrat legislature would pick a Democrat senator. Representation would be taken from the people and partys would have their power cemented for themselves not us.



maybe ,maybe not the senate would be much more in tune with the people they represent and that is whats important.

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May 25, 2015 21:07:53   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
vernon wrote:
the senate was set up to represent the states,the house is the peoples house.with the way the senate rules are set up all they do really is represent them selves.
Got that right Vernon. Hell I would v**e for you if you ran cause I know you are a real person. Not only that every one is scared of a pissed off old man. Things would get done.

:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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May 25, 2015 23:01:40   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
vernon wrote:
the senate was set up to represent the states,the house is the peoples house.with the way the senate rules are set up all they do really is represent them selves.
The 17th Amendment destroyed the Senate as representatives of the states. Before this amendment was passed, state legislatures appointed their senators to represent them in congress. The 17th put the e******n of senators in the hands of v**ers.

REPEAL THE 17TH AMENDMENT!!!!!!!!!

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