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Apr 29, 2015 07:20:42   #
eden
 
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)

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Apr 29, 2015 07:33:49   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


I agree we've had enough of both !

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Apr 29, 2015 07:38:15   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


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Add to this the absolute necessity of controlling the endless fund raising and massive donations by individuals and corporation. P**********l candidates should have one month to raise funds, and two months to campaign. No corporate or foreign funding permitted. Participation in a cutesey family foundation, like the Clinton's should bar them from any political office.

While we are at it, no governmental position should be a sinecure, including Civil Service employees. With corruptocrats at the top positions and an entrenched bureaucracy making rules (i.e. laws) to make our lives miserable everywhere else, we the people do not control our government. Our only recourse is the gun and armed i**********n and every government so far has made extreme efforts to disarm and neutralize that threat.

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Apr 29, 2015 08:03:45   #
Homestead
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


You don't need immigration reform.
What's needed are the laws that we have need to be enforced.

We don't need e*******l reform.
We need the laws we have, enforced.

Very few of the people who committed v***r f***d were prosecuted and fewer still were the officials who failed in their duties to ensure v**e integrity were held accountable.


It doesn't do any good to pass more laws that will be ignored.
The laws we have must be enforced and those who fail to do so must be held accountable.

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Apr 29, 2015 08:18:21   #
Forkbassman Loc: Missouri
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


Carson will announce soon. He has something none of the politicians have: character, honesty, principles and h**es politics. What will America do with him?

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Apr 29, 2015 08:20:58   #
Homestead
 
Forkbassman wrote:
Carson will announce soon. He has something none of the politicians have: character, honesty, principles and h**es politics. What will America do with him?


That's going to be the crux of the problem.
A man that h**es politics is running for the most political office in the country.

??????????????? We'll see?

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Apr 29, 2015 08:23:00   #
Kachina
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


Absolutely! We need a complete Government overhaul of these reforms plus reform or abolish the IRS, EPA, FHA, VA hospitals.

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Apr 29, 2015 09:11:35   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


A "Bush".....somehow, could be "tolerated"....... {CRUZ.....Rubio.....DR. CARSON.....Huckabee, RAND PAUL{?}.........ANY OF WHICH WOULD BE A VAST IMPROVEMENT......:wink:

A "Clinton"..........NEVER AGAIN!..................... :evil:

Obama.....NEVER AGAIN!........................ :evil:

narcissistic, "corrupt", self absorbed, Libtards........NEVER AGAIN!.................... :evil:

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Apr 29, 2015 09:56:07   #
She Wolf Loc: Currently Georgia
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


:thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

Many countries have royal families. We have political royal families. Most of their fortunes were amassed through crime and grew through political favors. It is time to say no to all these people.

I have not seen one candidate who has announced, that is not already owned. This Ben Carson person is a member of the AMA really think he will back capping the fees of the worst medical system in the world? Of course not. Have the Clinton and Bush families already run through the last fortunes they stole or sold us out for? It may be a new face but it is still the same elite owned crooks.

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Apr 29, 2015 10:02:37   #
Kevyn
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)
When W was appointed president by the Suprime court it finally shined a light on what has become of our republic. A secretary of state with other appointees of W's brother, the then governor, controled the e******ns in Florida refusing a proper recount. Then the swing v**e anointing W president was made by a Justice appointed to the bench by his father; talk about a dynasty, they are more like the Saudi royal family than public servants. The Clinton's are not a heck of a lot better. Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, and Immigration Reform will accomplish little to restore our republic, and in most cases will only reduce the power and rights of working families and put more power in corporate hands. The only thing to restore any real choice in our e******ns and how our nation is run is to remove the money that buys e******ns and to recognize that corporations are nothing but a collection of assets and do not deserve or have the right to the same constitutional protections of people. Until that happens working families in this country both progressive and conservitive are doomed.

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Apr 29, 2015 10:04:51   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Homestead wrote:
That's going to be the crux of the problem.
A man that h**es politics is running for the most political office in the country.

??????????????? We'll see?


It's "time" to remove most of the "politics" from this job! Reagan: "LESS GBMNT", & more power to the people! That's the way "IT SHOULD BE"!

America has allowed "special interest groups".....I*****l a***ns, homosexuals, energy providers, "outside" interests, etc. to "run things", instead of the general Population of this country! "MAJORITY".......NOT MINORITY.......IS THE PROBLEM SOLVER HERE"!

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Apr 29, 2015 10:05:02   #
Kevyn
 
Forkbassman wrote:
Carson will announce soon. He has something none of the politicians have: character, honesty, principles and h**es politics. What will America do with him?

Carson is an unelectable side show, the best republicans can hope for is that he and other fringe candidates don't do too much damage to the candidate who gets the nomination.

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Apr 29, 2015 10:05:03   #
Artemis
 
eden wrote:
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Clinton for the next President?
Thanks but no thanks. Are we to become another South American flavored Oligarchy with brahmin families playing musical chairs for the Presidency while carefully stacking the political deck to exclude all others?

This condition will only prevail as long as we keep sending the same entrenched corrupt people to govern us. No more Lawyers, no more Lobbyists,
no more career pols to v**e themselves cadillac Socialized Medicine then deny the American people the same benefits

Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, Immigration Reform., E*******l Reform...(please add to the list if you think we need a third way)
Is this what we have come down to? A Bush or a Cli... (show quote)


I concur, now how to make the change is the question?

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Apr 29, 2015 10:13:35   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Kevyn wrote:
When W was appointed president by the Suprime court it finally shined a light on what has become of our republic. A secretary of state with other appointees of W's brother, the then governor, controled the e******ns in Florida refusing a proper recount. Then the swing v**e anointing W president was made by a Justice appointed to the bench by his father; talk about a dynasty, they are more like the Saudi royal family than public servants. The Clinton's are not a heck of a lot better. Term Limits, Tax Reform, Tort Reform, and Immigration Reform will accomplish little to restore our republic, and in most cases will only reduce the power and rights of working families and put more power in corporate hands. The only thing to restore any real choice in our e******ns and how our nation is run is to remove the money that buys e******ns and to recognize that corporations are nothing but a collection of assets and do not deserve or have the right to the same constitutional protections of people. Until that happens working families in this country both progressive and conservitive are doomed.
When W was appointed president by the Suprime cour... (show quote)


Want to talk about "r****d e******ns"?

Let's start with Obama/Holder/Black Panthers, & "dead v**ers"!

Did you "really" want another "Slick Perverted Willie", for President?.....

{ I didn't have sex with that woman.....{ except for her "dress", and a couple "cigar tricks", in the "oral office"}.......{"ah swear on this here stack of Bibles"}

Then comes algore.....& "His" adultery, in office? Is that what you "really wanted"? Just "axe" "Tipper", what "she" wanted!

Aren't you really "just plain tired of scandal, ineptness, lies, sculduggery, unqualified individuals, corruption, "lost e-mails", & proof of correspondence, mysterious deaths of those that would reveal "t***hs" to America?...........Really?

Are you "really" just a dissatisfied American, that would settle for more of the same, just as long as they held the title of Liberal? Really?

I guess you have lost the meaning of our forefathers, & their "opinion" of a Republic, with Democracy, & the rule of law!.............................................
:thumbdown: :thumbdown: :thumbdown: :shock: :arrow: :evil:

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Apr 29, 2015 10:22:19   #
Ronald Hatt Loc: Lansing, Mich
 
Kevyn wrote:
Carson is an unelectable side show, the best republicans can hope for is that he and other fringe candidates don't do too much damage to the candidate who gets the nomination.


Carson = refreshing change to the "usual" political lying campaign promises, & "John Gruber" v**ers that will v**e for "anyone" that tells them what they want to hear, because if benefits their "special interest", & "the hell with everyone else"!.{ Liberal mantra}

Aren't "YOU" tired of that? Or, are "YOU" one of the special interest narcissists?.................................. :shock:

Look at America, & our World standing today.....our Military today......our Economy today......our American Morality today.......Homosexual, & a******n pressure "today".......lack Of God in our society "today"......loss of American p***e "today".......i**********n in our cities "today".............

DO YOU "REALLY" WANT MORE OF THAT "TODAY"? IF YOU LIBERAL I***TS ELECT ANOTHER LIBERAL, {BY ANY NAME}.....THIS COMING E******N.......YOU WILL HAVE MORE OF THE SAME!..................{ right up to the finality of America...........which will be very soon!}................ :thumbdown:

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