First, I must admit to thinking you were speaking to only compromises during President Obama's Administration. My apologies. And respectfully, all the budget bills, the DHS and the 'cromnibus' bill were, arguably, forced political compromises. Alternatives were highly detrimental, in the opinion of many, to the continuing operation of the nation's government...true or false. I also suggest that a majority in the country blamed the GOP for the previous year's governmental shutdown...again, true or false. But, your response was reasonable and only asked in reciprocation for your earlier question of me. Thank you.

My primary point as to the ACA compromises put forth by President Obama's team was that they were not really forced since the democrats had the v**es necessary without the GOP. I submit that when they rejected the original bill presented, this administration went with more of their own ideas as opposed to many earlier GOP ones. As promised by the GOP, not one v**e came from their camp in the final v**e for the ACA. IMO, if they had accepted the original bill presented, or something closer to it, we might have all been better off.

Respectfully, even though many in the GOP are considered 'rinos', it still represents the majority standard for traditional conservative values. I do understand the distaste of many 'true' conservatives in the Tea Party or others affiliated with the GOP. But, until another party is formed that better represents them, the GOP still carries the most widely accepted conservative banner. I certainly meant no disrespect towards you or any others who wish to disassociate themselves from the 'Grand Old Party', i.e., the Republican Party. Again, I apologize.

My mind is now drifting more and more towards the Kentucky/West Virginia NCAA Tournament game. :wink:

The concept of disagreement,, collegiate disagreement worthy of "statesmen" is what is lacking..... the worst and a perfect example is the moronic diplomacy of Abe lincoln,,,, who by bumbling and hamfisted diplomacy started a war where one was not needed, and likely could have been avoided.

Having been present and engaged in the last 4 wars, I recommend we actually "compromise" because the next failed lawyer from Illinois is stomping right through the china shop like the last imbecile who started a civil war.


I dont want that war, but if pushed I will fight as I always have for you, and this country, but this time against you and the tyranny of the l*****t majority...

Once that genie is out of the bottle, I wonder how many of these i***ts will wish they had done more,,, but you and I know, at that point it will be too late.

IMO the ACA was "forced" because the democrats only wanted a republican to sign on to claim it was "bi=partisan",,, and they didnt want to bear full or sole responsibility for the crap bill it was......

I am pissed at the doc,,, he called me a liar on another post,,, and ran here to whine,,, I pursued,, this discussion isnt what he let on.

I think you need to print this out, and eat your words like the three year old, you were just being........

There are answers, and there are definite problems with compromising with snotty little sh-t like you,,, who doesnt have the maturity to handle back and forth....

When pressed,, you throw a fit,,, and stomp off,,,,then like a vulture hope someone else will do your dirty work,,,,
but when grown ups do disagree, they dont have to be petulant like you just were...

Here is a lesson from a Grandpa,,, pooky,,,, if you werent so caustic about winning or losing, you would find people more open to discussion with you,,, but as we have learned,,, your little ego, MUST win,,, or you stay mad...

That isnt compromise,,, and there is no compromise with a person who acts like you... that was my point, we have tried, and nothing satisfies, the juvenile side of you.

I must admit that I'm at a complete loss in understanding where you're coming from now. I went from agreeing with you about some things, to being juvenile about it? I must have missed something.

Somewhere along the line, you seem to take personal offense when I criticize public officials and their infantile behavior. Are you, perhaps, one of those officials? If not, then I don't understand the heartburn. Wh**ever, I did discover, when reading your response to another poster, that you pursued me here on this thread to continue some vendetta from another thread. I'm afraid that I'll have to pull a "Reagan" on you and claim that I have no knowledge of the incident you referred to.

In any case, I can see that your diatribe against me was a t***sference episode - you were speaking to yourself and your own behavior. That's ok with me. I've often let people rail at me on purpose, to help them clear their heads. It costs me nothing, because if it ain't mine, it don't stick.

To bring this back to the original topic; the problem isn't so much that everyone believes they are right, so much as they believe everyone else is wrong - and resent being treated the same way. I try not to make things personal, since I'm not responsible for how individuals think, I do try to provide examples of how most seem to think, for folks to consider. I try not to respond to personal attacks either, but being human, I often do and I regret it every time. I have no reason to defend myself, only my viewpoint, which isn't the same thing. I think that's where folks get off track, feeling that a disagreement about a persons viewpoint, is an attack against them. It shouldn't be that way.

No,,,, dont lie to me,,, in another post, you claimed I was wrong about something, made references to me being an i***t, and not able to even comprehend what a "hole I was diggin",,,
then you bounced off, and didnt respond,,, when I answered,,,

Instead, you come here, and make a comment on a conversation between me and slatten, that I was acting like a 3 yr old!?!

I got to admit, I think you are a squawking loud mouthed punk, who "thinks" he knows it all, and refuses to listen to anything, you make snide and snarky remarks, and insults, and then pop off to the next thread ignoring the answers and responses...

If you dont like me, dont talk to me, if you claim I made a mistake, and insult me, you need to follow through,,, if you cant do that like a man, then you need to shut the hole under your nose,,,,or dont be so sh-tty to people

There was a time in this country, when our differences were what made us strong and resilient. We saw the differences, but made nothing of them, and focused on those things that were similar, such as a desire to succeed. There have always been those who wanted to focus on the differences and try to get everyone to do so as well and occasionally, they were successful, but those instances are generally considered shameful.

Having a variety of experiences, backgrounds and philosophies, are what make for a vibrant and productive society. For every problem, someone had a solution and those groups willing to embrace those solutions, regardless of their provenance - succeeded. Those groups unwilling to accept a solution, BECAUSE of it's provenance - inevitably failed.

In America today, we have allowed ourselves to be distracted by differences, to the exclusion of our similarities and that will be our downfall. What is even more distressing, is that many groups have fallen prey to the idea that "inclusion" means "requiring differences to be accentuated". As an example, the idea that calling one's self "African American", is a way to enhance one's cultural heritage. It does nothing for one's heritage, it DOES, in fact, impact on one's future. It is a declaration that one is "African" first and "American" second. Which then separates those individuals from everyone else, thus "un-uniting" them.

We have separated ourselves along racial lines, by political philosophy, economic status, location, familial connections and any number of other differences and are PROUD of it. It is one thing to enjoy and take p***e in one's "roots", so to speak, but it is another to insist that one be forever identified as that - to the exclusion of being a citizen of the Untied States. One CANNOT be "part of" as long as one refuses to be identified as being such. There is no such thing as a Republican ( insert anything you like here ) electrician - yet - there are many who wish to be identified as that very thing.

We have been lead to believe that accentuating our differences is what makes us unique, but that is false, our uniqueness is built in from birth and requires NO enhancement, only acceptance in our own minds. We are un-uniting ourselves, in a fruitless bid to belong to something, by identifying ourselves as different and requiring everyone else to identify us that way.

Until we re-learn to enhance and accentuate our similarities, in our hearts and minds, we will continue to be un-united and fail in all our undertakings. Our differences are what give us the ability to succeed, but ONLY IF, they are secondary to our similar goals, hopes, dreams and purpose. Looking for, identifying and embracing our similarities, will give us the ability and focus to capitalize on those differences that point out solutions to our common problems. For now, we each separate entity, focus on our separate problems - and refuse to work together for any common good. Why? Because our problems are unique and are caused by THEM. If everyone were like US, there'd be no problems. That would work, if there weren't a hundred different US's and THEM's - each expecting the OTHERS to comply and compromise.

Oh, were you talking to me? Sorry. Anyway, now I understand what got your panties in a wad. I'm not responsible for how you take rejection, but if you'll think a moment, it was your idea/statement that was rejected - not you personally. The only way I knew to prevent you digging a bigger hole, was to stop talking to you about the subject.

BTW, if you don't want people making "personal" comments to you, stop doing it yourself. Your response to criticism, is to go "personal" and start calling names and such. In other words, if you insult someone's intelligence, you can only expect the same in return. I don't find that at all helpful or a decent conversation. No one is going to agree with you all the time, nor should you expect them to.

Just for the record, when things go "personal" - I bail, because this isn't the forum for that and I don't like it. So if my suggestion that you were going down the wrong path upset you, then I'm sorry I mentioned it. I would like you to stop stalking me though, if you have something like that to say, then use the PM feature. That's what it's there for and would be better than hijacking a post just to vent your anger.

I think IKE was a good general However, His only accomplishment was to copy the German's highway system which would have come about anyway. That is no big deal.The US was working overtime making goods and services for Europe. All he had to do to be good is to have done nothing. But, in the 60s things started to change. A Democrat was elected---but it didn't matter. WW11 had brought the country together to fight a common foe. Then a whole generation grew up and threw off the shackles of Elizabethan morals which was replaced with free speech, free love and free sexuality. There was no threat to the country to bring the country together. The opposite was true. The Vietnam war tore the country apart and it has never come back together to fight a common foe who endangers the United states.

911 brought us together for a short two year before Congressional democrats who v**ed to back Bush in war reneged on their v**e. The young and old democrats and independents were ready for an antiwar dove and his foreign policy set the world on fire. The v**ers elected a paper tiger who is commander in chief of a make believe army. There will not be another coming together until there is harm done by foreign nations to the American people.

I think IKE was a good general However, His only accomplishment was to copy the German's highway system which would have come about anyway. That is no big deal.The US was working overtime making goods and services for Europe. All he had to do to be good is to have done nothing. But, in the 60s things started to change. A Democrat was elected---but it didn't matter. WW11 had brought the country together to fight a common foe. Then a whole generation grew up and threw off the shackles of Elizabethan morals which was replaced with free speech, free love and free sexuality. There was no threat to the country to bring the country together. The opposite was true. The Vietnam war tore the country apart and it has never come back together to fight a common foe who endangers the United states.

911 brought us together for a short two year before Congressional democrats who v**ed to back Bush in war reneged on their v**e. The young and old democrats and independents were ready for an antiwar dove and his foreign policy set the world on fire. The v**ers elected a paper tiger who is commander in chief of a make believe army. There will not be another coming together until there is harm done by foreign nations to the American people.

I think IKE was a good general However, His only accomplishment was to copy the German's highway system which would have come about anyway. That is no big deal.The US was working overtime making goods and services for Europe. All he had to do to be good is to have done nothing. But, in the 60s things started to change. A Democrat was elected---but it didn't matter. WW11 had brought the country together to fight a common foe. Then a whole generation grew up and threw off the shackles of Elizabethan morals which was replaced with free speech, free love and free sexuality. There was no threat to the country to bring the country together. The opposite was true. The Vietnam war tore the country apart and it has never come back together to fight a common foe who endangers the United states.

911 brought us together for a short two year before Congressional democrats who v**ed to back Bush in war reneged on their v**e. The young and old democrats and independents were ready for an antiwar dove and his foreign policy set the world on fire. The v**ers elected a paper tiger who is commander in chief of a make believe army. There will not be another coming together until there is harm done by foreign nations to the American people.

Maybe you're right; if so, thats just sad and pathetic. There literally will have to be daily bombs and r**ts in every state before we snap out of our complacency, I guess. The Mid-east Wars will follow us home, if they haven't already As if there isn't enough going on right now to be concerned about, problems on all fronts that are demanding public response and collective action. But no, most Americans will not care until they are personally affected or inconvenienced? I hope I'm wrong. By then it could be too late.

Complacency, My thoughts on this subject are not entirely mine. I read an article in which the author said that, except of 911, there has not been a direct threat of attack on the USA. As there is no immediate threat to agglomerate society, it turn inwards and attacks itself.

I applied his theory with American history for the past 60 years and I saw a correlation. Perhaps, we should look at bees and ants. They have a queen !! Got that guys?? Grace is going to have fun with that. Along that line I think Hillary would not be a good Queen.