Dire Obamacare Predictions
Mar 15, 2015 15:34:11 #
UncleJesse wrote:
The free market is doing much better with the mandate and subsidy. Without it, the free market collapses in a race to who and what can be excluded next to make it more marketable to the healthy payers.
I feel compelled to make this statement. Hopefully, people understand health insurance does not equate to health care. They are very different. One is plain apples and the other is Waldorf Salad.
Mar 15, 2015 15:46:11 #
AuntiE wrote:
I feel compelled to make this statement. Hopefully, people understand health insurance does not equate to health care. They are very different. One is plain apples and the other is Waldorf Salad.
Health insurance is doing better under obamacare and health care is about the same despite the prediction that there'd be rationing. I think a change in strategy is inevitable such as a tax break for the non subsidized
Mar 15, 2015 15:56:57 #
UncleJesse wrote:
Health insurance is doing better under obamacare and health care is about the same despite the prediction that there'd be rationing. I think a change in strategy is inevitable such as a tax break for the non subsidized
We have been paying for health care in emergency rooms for anyone who did not have insurance. This is a step in the right direction.
Mar 15, 2015 16:02:48 #
UncleJesse wrote:
Health insurance is doing better under obamacare and health care is about the same despite the prediction that there'd be rationing. I think a change in strategy is inevitable such as a tax break for the non subsidized
I cannot wholly agree as to care being the same. I have heard, but cannot confirm, that rural areas are worse now then previously. Smaller hospitals have been closing, leaving many with no source of care at all. If memory serves, the closings are due to onerous regulations about re admittance numbers.
I do know in my area people are less concerned about seeing their doctor as there are about a dozen new "urgent care" facilities. Based on our family experience with such, they are a better choice. It is one stop shopping; triage, doctor, x-Rays, blood work and prescription all under one roof. Seven days a week from 7:00AM till midnight. The wait is not very long either.
Mar 15, 2015 16:04:30 #
alex
Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa
UncleJesse wrote:
Health insurance is doing better under obamacare and health care is about the same despite the prediction that there'd be rationing. I think a change in strategy is inevitable such as a tax break for the non subsidized
yes just like Cuba
Mar 15, 2015 16:04:52 #
A conservative value that even libs can agree with is individual responsibility to pay something. Even when they are getting a handout like a subsidy from the large pool of taxpayers, they are still paying something instead of redistributing the entire cost onto the smaller pool of paying hospital patients and insurers.
moldyoldy wrote:
We have been paying for health care in emergency rooms for anyone who did not have insurance. This is a step in the right direction.
Mar 15, 2015 16:04:53 #
moldyoldy wrote:
We have been paying for health care in emergency rooms for anyone who did not have insurance. This is a step in the right direction.
According to a study by the hospital association, about three months ago, emergency room visits have NOT declined as expected.
Mar 15, 2015 16:16:49 #
Yes the free market of rural hospitals can not exist without Medicare expansion which was not expanded in many states. Everyone knows the Urgent Care facility is much cheaper copay than an ER and that's where the market shifted, even before obamacare. For those with insurance, it's written on the insurance card.
AuntiE wrote:
I cannot wholly agree as to care being the same. I... (show quote)
Mar 15, 2015 16:18:10 #
archie bunker wrote:
Sooo....it all needs to flow to, and from the government? Why not get the government out of it, and let the free market handle it? Obamacare is a redistribution scheme. Period.
Archie bunker You sure got that right, that is what obozo the king, wants to make like Robin Hood.
B T W , he should be arrested put in prison, just for impersonating a King.
Mar 15, 2015 16:28:36 #
UncleJesse wrote:
Health insurance is doing better under obamacare and health care is about the same despite the prediction that there'd be rationing. I think a change in strategy is inevitable such as a tax break for the non subsidized
It will lead to rationing if it stays in effect long enough,
when they run out of other peoples money.
That is the way the c*******ts do it, and we are going too be in the same sinking boat.
Mar 16, 2015 08:12:04 #
moldyoldy wrote:
We have been paying for health care in emergency rooms for anyone who did not have insurance. This is a step in the right direction.
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Mar 16, 2015 08:42:07 #
DamnYANKEE wrote:
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moldyoldy, need to take two steps back and start over, get rid of this load of garbage the Emperior in our white house has got the whole system in worse shape than before his so called, patiant protection and affordable care act. It's all based on LIES, has made a mess that needs to be cleaned up
Let the private sector do it. We sure don't need socialized medicine (c*******m) in this Country. And that is what Obama is working on doing.
With the Govenment in charge works good until it runs out of other peoples money, than it don't work.
Mar 16, 2015 10:33:31 #
archie bunker wrote:
Sooo....it all needs to flow to, and from the government? Why not get the government out of it, and let the free market handle it? Obamacare is a redistribution scheme. Period.
We tried the free market thing , that's why we have the ACA.
Mar 16, 2015 10:37:49 #
AuntiE wrote:
According to a study by the hospital association, about three months ago, emergency room visits have NOT declined as expected.
So what ? The thing to know is if more visitors now have insurance.
Mar 16, 2015 11:17:43 #
robert66 wrote:
We tried the free market thing , that's why we have the ACA.
The A C A is the worst thing that has ever been concocked by a bunch of liars. It is fit for nothing, call it insurance,(NOT) when U have to pay, $5,000.00 -$6,000.00, deductables that my frind is not insurance for a lot of people. The A C A is only good for a catastrophic accident, when it would cost hundreds of thousands then it would be worth paying premunims for a catastrophic policy. But for all the other things it hasn't helped anyone. If U don't meet the deductable in that year, U must start over, so what good is it to say I have insurance unless something real bad should happen?
This patiant protection, and affordable care act was only democrats v****g 4 it to pass it, and of course GRUBER, was nothing but LIES.
If U like your doctor U can keep your doctor,(PEROID)
If U like your insurance policy U can keep your insurance policy.(PEROID) Most households WILL save $2,500.00 per. year on insurance preminums(WRONG)-BIG LIE!!!!!!!! Nothing he said was true, but when he got caught he said oh I misspoke, that is what I call a LIE(PEROID) What I should have said is if your insurance policy don't meet the new standerds U MUST buy a new policy at more coast.
Now what do U think of that bunch of LIES. He is a liar and the t***h is not in him.(PEROID)
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