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Mar 13, 2015 07:23:27   #
Ve'hoe
 
I guess, the hard part of listening to you,, is indicated by the "news flash" comment,,, when what I told you, clearly indicates that my own clearance is equally high if not higher...why the insults, when none were hurled.....

The point about the shooter,,, was that there are always some j-arthurs,,, who are going to screw the whole team,,, the same thing happens to the white people,,,, and as minorities,,, who have experienced it,, we should not foster it,, or feed it either.

The bit about the two generals, was that those people were people I wanted to emulate, they were so good, so intelligent, and so competent..

What goes on in the AF or service, is not AA,,,, it is that we work side by side,, and each man/woman/ and even many gays I have actually known,, prove their worth, and shoulder their load,,,, once that trust is established,,, there is little that can shake it.

That is the way,,,, the way we are doing it through AA isn't working,, look at ferguson,,, the haves and the never will haves... I have seen the same on the rez,,,, people who b***h and complain about "progress and rights, and oppression" yet wallow in alcoholism, drugs, and crime/corruption,,,, perhaps,,,, and it is depressing, that this IS the best humans are going to do.

But every now and then you meet someone who inspires you,,, and if I were as r****t as you try to make out the "tea party" or conservative types, I wouldn't be inspired I would h**e them,,, I didn't,, I gave them the respect they deserved, and as I worked with them, like you describe on that ship,,,,, I began to admire them, regardless of color or their sex.

But it starts,,, one person at a time,,,, it ends in demonizng whole groups,,,



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Ve'hoe wrote:
No, I didnt say "I" taught them,, I said "We" meaning the AF....Not just ops,,, I worked in Acquisition,R&D, Operations, Treaties, and security,,,,as well as delivery, targeting, and BDA... Defensive and offensive space warfare, including combating chinese anti-satellite ops, and bmd, space launch and range.....as well as tactical deployment, defense, and attack....I worked with scientists, to get what we wanted then developed the deployment tactics,,, as well,,,, because my commanders,, one a Female the other a Black General, who were people who impressed me so much, that they had a life changing influence on how I wanted to act,,, and how I wanted to end up. They in turn trusted me to do a job.. that I might not have been the best person intellectually,,and without regard to what color I was... but they trusted my judgment, maturity, and abilities,,,

First,,,Lets get something straight,, what color am I??? because I really wonder if you know... I am not white,,,, I dont represent white men..I am a Cheyenne INDIAN,,, I DO KNOW what I am talking about..

I dont look down on my people or myself, I understand what it is like to have the long hair, and believe your being screwed with...
I also know that when I dropped all that militance, I began to really perform,,, and I was successful and people rewarded that. ALL Different Colors and Sexes of people,,, and I finally got over the "being respectful" is ass kissing.. idea... it isnt.

It is not that b****s are worse,, it is that you HAVE to be better, that kind of sucks, but it is the reality,, based on existing r****t fears, that some other black a--hole likely put in their heads,, and AS I HAVE LEARNED PERSONALLY,,,, once you allay those fears, for the most part, the r****m disappears,,,except strangely enough in liberals, and particularly YOUR case... you are still calling me "WHITE" as though I were.

Once I realized that,,, I went on a mission to be that,,,, and strangely enough,, it is typically the conservative person who is most easily swayed, libs talk down to me still, especially state department and BIA,,,, your average white truckdriver, is easy to get along with, and happy most of the time to know you.

Like I said to someone else the other day, once when a new hospital CEO ( a real big time lib) met me,, in a suit,, he asked if I was a "Chief", and spoke slower,,, I guess so I might understand,,,,, "No,, I, I am the Dr here, what the hell did you think?" He recovered well, but still does weird sh-t like that.. and the state department ,,,, forget it,,,, they still think we belong to them..I dont think he is particularly r****t, and h**es me,,, but perhaps feels "dumb" around me.... not completely sure, but I am careful not to make it worse,,not because I want to kiss his a--.... but I dont want anymore garbage between us, to have to get over.


Look at this ferguson crap,,, now you probably care for the b****s on the streets protesting,, but some a--hole shot two cops,,, what if that guy is black???? Did he represent b****s?? No he endangered them with his stupidity,,,, not to mention he Ruined the chances that the real protestors will ever accomplish a damned thing!! In essense he robbed them of the chance!!!!
The white man didnt do that,, he didnt have to!!

That is what I am saying,, as minorities, we do, whether we like it or not,, "represent" our people,,,, as for mine,, I used to be pissed about how we were treated.... but as I studied our history, I saw that we had indeed done many bad, and in the white mans estimation EVIL things,,,, but like I tell people,,, had we won the war,, there would not be a reservation for white people,, we would have k**led all of them...In a lot of ways, we picked a fight and got our a--es kicked,,,the end.

We are d**gging our red a--es up out of defeat,,,, we dont need anymore of our people shot, and if as a young Indian man, you get drunk,, do drugs, or slap our women around,, you do a disservice and leave a bad impression on us..

When we have some j-arthur,,, who shoots a cop in the face,, instead of holding the highground, we lose the momentum,,, there will be more shooting,,, and as a people, I do know about shootings....as you get older,,, you give up the "personal grudges" for the better good of the people... you dont have time for your own problems,, you are handling everyone elses...

Got to go,,, (I am actually glad you know Missile Tech),,, think about what I said,,,, and quit being so inflamatory,, you dont need it.


I said the PEACEFUL PROTESTORS who were exercising their constitutional rights...I do not condone anything criminal..never been one nor has anyone in my family.....newsflash...can't be a criminal and get secret clerances and airport access..and now one is banned from gun ownership from life for ONE FELONY...whenever I have been pulled over by cops, the first thing I tell them is that I am the furthest thing from a criminal there is...only been stopped for batman driving a few time..and the way I talk to cops immediately de-escalates the situation and nothing adverse really t***spires....they usually compliment the car and tell me to slow down...one pulled me over and I told him I had an airport meeting...he was in a different spot the next day and caught me again...when he asked me was I late again...i laughed and told him if i thought that would work yeah...and handed over my liscence.all my experiences with them have been as such...i always tell people to not piss cops off that you just make it worse for yourself because you are in the wrong...

I was on that AirForce Ship in my early twenties and what I saw was impressive and a reflection of AA working...There wre black and white Captains and majors in their early twenties who were also engineers and had graduated from the AirForce Academy. They were our Mission Commanders....and I was a Ship Systems Engineer..me and one older white guy....we were mutally impressed with each other for being that young and running a billion-dollar ship from both the military and civilian sides...to me that was the epitome of what America can be like and what makes it strong....

I have nothing but respect for my Native American fellow Americans...and I get your points...I am generally a laid back, outgoing sociable person who will befriend any and every one who wants to....I just have this inherent philosophy of giving people what they give me, but give them more of it...good or bad and let them set the tone...in actuality..being from Texas we are friendly, hospitable people who will feed a stranger, give them clothes to put on their backs...and drink a brew as a gesture of freindship....Texans are like that..not f**e and what you see is what you get...and consistent...you'll know immediatekly if you mhave a freind or enemy for life..it takes about 5 minutes to determine where you are with them....and outside of OPP...i have no type of conflicts or malice with people whatsoever.....Peace.........
No, I didnt say "I" taught them,, I said... (show quote)

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Mar 13, 2015 12:58:20   #
KHH1
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
I guess, the hard part of listening to you,, is indicated by the "news flash" comment,,, when what I told you, clearly indicates that my own clearance is equally high if not higher...why the insults, when none were hurled.....

The point about the shooter,,, was that there are always some j-arthurs,,, who are going to screw the whole team,,, the same thing happens to the white people,,,, and as minorities,,, who have experienced it,, we should not foster it,, or feed it either.

The bit about the two generals, was that those people were people I wanted to emulate, they were so good, so intelligent, and so competent..

What goes on in the AF or service, is not AA,,,, it is that we work side by side,, and each man/woman/ and even many gays I have actually known,, prove their worth, and shoulder their load,,,, once that trust is established,,, there is little that can shake it.

That is the way,,,, the way we are doing it through AA isn't working,, look at ferguson,,, the haves and the never will haves... I have seen the same on the rez,,,, people who b***h and complain about "progress and rights, and oppression" yet wallow in alcoholism, drugs, and crime/corruption,,,, perhaps,,,, and it is depressing, that this IS the best humans are going to do.

But every now and then you meet someone who inspires you,,, and if I were as r****t as you try to make out the "tea party" or conservative types, I wouldn't be inspired I would h**e them,,, I didn't,, I gave them the respect they deserved, and as I worked with them, like you describe on that ship,,,,, I began to admire them, regardless of color or their sex.

But it starts,,, one person at a time,,,, it ends in demonizng whole groups,,,
I guess, the hard part of listening to you,, is in... (show quote)


Well...no insult was intended.....and as so far as AA is concerned...it was the basis of entry for many qualified people who were denied opportunity previously...with the same qualifications...what I witnessed would have not existed a while back.....what we are witnessing now is the concept at work...as so far as clerances...there were several...Top Secret was the norm...but then there were some higher than that when working with specific info...to the extent you could be sitting next to someone in a control room and not have a need to know what they were doing and vice versa...and as so far as r****ts are concerned..obviously i am not lumping everyone of a certain affilitation the same...but at the same time...i'm not going to look then other way or pretend just to get along with people when I do encounter that kind....that is just being fair to myself...i'm kool though..my natural persona is kool and laid back because fortunately, I do not have to encounter vile, h**eful people in my life outside of OPP....it is all peaches and cream...and for that I am grateful........

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Mar 15, 2015 09:13:46   #
Ve'hoe
 
However, I get the idea, you believe you are alone in that aspect, I too have gotten threats, r****t crap hurled at me, and called "scum" by fun loving, caring and warm, totally creamy wunnerful ,,,, liberals,,,

The "beauty" of OPP is to get what people feel in their hearts,,, what they would say, if they had the power, or freedom.

AA didnt work, just as chaining men together artificially wont work. In the Military, you are thrust together, whether you live or die is based on the trust and competence of your compatriots,,, that is what binds them together, barring that sort of connection,,, you get what you see on OPP, and what we experience, and are about to experience more of in ferguson, the reservations, the LA r**ts,,,, etc,,,people do NOT like each other,,, they CAN like each other, but they dont have to.

I guess my admonition to you, is to try to be "likable" and you will collect "more" people to your cause, not all, but more.

Some people, regardless of what you do, will h**e you,,,, happens even in Indian tribes,,, they are just not going to like you, and in some cases harbor a hatred strong enough to even k**l you, if they got the chance....

Like I said before, and it is depressing, "THIS" may be the best humans can do,,

What I see in ferguson, is a people who dont attempt to be civil, then get angered by the reaction of the police,,, to wit, the fight begins, once emotionalism takes over, we are just waiting for a spark,,,, someone,, either the govt, or some j-arthur will provide the catalyst,,, and in the end, the people with a valid complaint will get hurt, achieve nothing, and the "valid intent" behind their movement will be co-opted and corrupted by agents of both sides...

Since Michael Browns, lawful shooting, only 200 black people have registered to v**e in Ferguson,,,, that,, right there is the problem..

Not hard to understand if you read Mao Tse Tung, and Ho Chi Mihn,,,, it is a plan, nothing new, and they are being fooled again...

Education, is the answer, and an awakening, and a realization that "ALL" you have been told was a lie, the helping hand was actually a booby trap,,, but you CAN get out, you just have to be smart about it, never get bogged down in alcohol, drugs, crime, get your degree without assistance from the govt, and one by one lift yourselves out,, no one can do it for the other guy, each has to do it on his/her own..
KHH1 wrote:
Well...no insult was intended.....and as so far as AA is concerned...it was the basis of entry for many qualified people who were denied opportunity previously...with the same qualifications...what I witnessed would have not existed a while back.....what we are witnessing now is the concept at work...as so far as clerances...there were several...Top Secret was the norm...but then there were some higher than that when working with specific info...to the extent you could be sitting next to someone in a control room and not have a need to know what they were doing and vice versa...and as so far as r****ts are concerned..obviously i am not lumping everyone of a certain affilitation the same...but at the same time...i'm not going to look then other way or pretend just to get along with people when I do encounter that kind....that is just being fair to myself...i'm kool though..my natural persona is kool and laid back because fortunately, I do not have to encounter vile, h**eful people in my life outside of OPP....it is all peaches and cream...and for that I am grateful........
Well...no insult was intended.....and as so far as... (show quote)

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Mar 15, 2015 17:34:00   #
KHH1
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
However, I get the idea, you believe you are alone in that aspect, I too have gotten threats, r****t crap hurled at me, and called "scum" by fun loving, caring and warm, totally creamy wunnerful ,,,, liberals,,,

The "beauty" of OPP is to get what people feel in their hearts,,, what they would say, if they had the power, or freedom.

AA didnt work, just as chaining men together artificially wont work. In the Military, you are thrust together, whether you live or die is based on the trust and competence of your compatriots,,, that is what binds them together, barring that sort of connection,,, you get what you see on OPP, and what we experience, and are about to experience more of in ferguson, the reservations, the LA r**ts,,,, etc,,,people do NOT like each other,,, they CAN like each other, but they dont have to.

I guess my admonition to you, is to try to be "likable" and you will collect "more" people to your cause, not all, but more.

Some people, regardless of what you do, will h**e you,,,, happens even in Indian tribes,,, they are just not going to like you, and in some cases harbor a hatred strong enough to even k**l you, if they got the chance....

Like I said before, and it is depressing, "THIS" may be the best humans can do,,

What I see in ferguson, is a people who dont attempt to be civil, then get angered by the reaction of the police,,, to wit, the fight begins, once emotionalism takes over, we are just waiting for a spark,,,, someone,, either the govt, or some j-arthur will provide the catalyst,,, and in the end, the people with a valid complaint will get hurt, achieve nothing, and the "valid intent" behind their movement will be co-opted and corrupted by agents of both sides...

Since Michael Browns, lawful shooting, only 200 black people have registered to v**e in Ferguson,,,, that,, right there is the problem..

Not hard to understand if you read Mao Tse Tung, and Ho Chi Mihn,,,, it is a plan, nothing new, and they are being fooled again...

Education, is the answer, and an awakening, and a realization that "ALL" you have been told was a lie, the helping hand was actually a booby trap,,, but you CAN get out, you just have to be smart about it, never get bogged down in alcohol, drugs, crime, get your degree without assistance from the govt, and one by one lift yourselves out,, no one can do it for the other guy, each has to do it on his/her own..
However, I get the idea, you believe you are alone... (show quote)


AA has done me, Colin, Condi and many others some good by our own admittance...and i'm not worrying about being liked...just want my just due for my efforts put forth....so far so good and I know what assisted me and what tried to impede my progress...in my life...can't speak for others nor do i want to.......everyone should roll with their own philosophy and f-k wat the next person thinks...and hopefully everyone will get their personal desired outcomes......

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Mar 16, 2015 14:23:31   #
Ve'hoe
 
That would be great IF,,, and its a big IF,,, the rewards of AA were not taken from deserving kids, who did nothing to anyone except have "white" skin,,,

You dont cure r****m, by being a r****t, and electing Obama because he is black is no different than the Klan v****g against him, for the same reason...

You dont spread opportunity, by limiting or stealing it from someone first,, and that is the govt way..

KHH1 wrote:
AA has done me, Colin, Condi and many others some good by our own admittance...and i'm not worrying about being liked...just want my just due for my efforts put forth....so far so good and I know what assisted me and what tried to impede my progress...in my life...can't speak for others nor do i want to.......everyone should roll with their own philosophy and f-k wat the next person thinks...and hopefully everyone will get their personal desired outcomes......

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Mar 16, 2015 20:11:54   #
KHH1
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
That would be great IF,,, and its a big IF,,, the rewards of AA were not taken from deserving kids, who did nothing to anyone except have "white" skin,,,

You dont cure r****m, by being a r****t, and electing Obama because he is black is no different than the Klan v****g against him, for the same reason...

You dont spread opportunity, by limiting or stealing it from someone first,, and that is the govt way..


Read the 10 myths of AA and debunk right-wing lies.....

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Mar 16, 2015 21:30:31   #
Ve'hoe
 
Debunk you own,,, you have threatened others, been h**eful and r****t, and rude/crude,,, why would you expect people to treat you differently???

Like I said,, you need to mature out of your r****t, blaming bs,,,

Education isnt just from a book,,,, nor does it have anything to do with the color of your skin........


KHH1 wrote:
Read the 10 myths of AA and debunk right-wing lies.....

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Mar 16, 2015 22:51:37   #
KHH1
 
Ve'hoe wrote:
Debunk you own,,, you have threatened others, been h**eful and r****t, and rude/crude,,, why would you expect people to treat you differently???

Like I said,, you need to mature out of your r****t, blaming bs,,,

Education isnt just from a book,,,, nor does it have anything to do with the color of your skin........


Only responses to nasty azz cracka a\zz r****t azz bulls**t......and different colors of skin have different social realities..........you may live in denial but I do not....

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Mar 17, 2015 16:33:47   #
Ve'hoe
 
No,, I dont,, but you cant seem to recognize that you have created your own reality of r****m, and your own social prison...


KHH1 wrote:
Only responses to nasty azz cracka a\zz r****t azz bulls**t......and different colors of skin have different social realities..........you may live in denial but I do not....

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