The greatest danger to the U.S (Page 2): We're all products of heredity and environment. If grand dad and dad were Demo's, chances are we'll be a Liberal. If they liked GMC, we'll...

okie don

We're all products of heredity and environment. If grand dad and dad were Demo's, chances are we'll be a Liberal. If they liked GMC, we'll probably like Chevy's.Etc.Ect. If mom was on welfare, that's all we know. Why work our butts off vto maintain a strong economy?

J Anthony Loc: Connecticut

hprinze wrote:

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Same old whining about those greedy capitalists . Typical class hatred and insane jealousy of anyone who has been financially successful in free enterprise. H**e the rich. pity the poor lazy slob parasites who have to carry the load for the rich. It's almost funny

There you go again. "You're just jealous." That's not what it is.
Why do you always attack people as being jealous or guilty of "class hatred" when someone mentions the greed of some capitalists? Is it wrong to talk about it? You yourself have admitted that there is a parasitic ruling class among corporate/government circles, and they do significantly more damage to society as-a-whole than the poor parasites you'd rather pick on. Why can't we just acknowledge that we need to fight greed and laziness in all the classes? Why do you get so defensive on that?

Dave Loc: Upstate New York

okie don wrote:

We're all products of heredity and environment. If grand dad and dad were Demo's, chances are we'll be a Liberal. If they liked GMC, we'll probably like Chevy's.Etc.Ect. If mom was on welfare, that's all we know. Why work our butts off vto maintain a strong economy?

Not we all - most maybe, but not all. My Mom was on welfare - and I started my adult life by taking her and my younger sisters off it - and have worked every day since then, and still do despite being into my 7th decade on planet earth.

missinglink Loc: Tralfamadore

As an independent my voice comes from both sides of the isle. I'm fine with that. I need no lapel pins. I contribute and otherwise give support to whom I desire without party B.S.
I took an exam online not long ago and came up Libertarian. If this is true , I am no doubt the least successful Libertarian minded person on the continent. ;-)

"In other words, the existence and continuation of parties is the result of free people making free decisions in joining or not joining and v****g or not v****g for individuals representing a party or for individual representing no party."

If you want change you need to start with the people who elect other people.[/quote]

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

Dave wrote:

On the contrary - I did read it and understand it - you suggest they have no right to organize by party - and clearly they do have such a right.

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I did not say that

okie don

Lighten up you two...
"even duct tape can't fix stupid... But it can muffle the sound". Laughter is good for us. So is debate, makes us all use over 15% of our brain power (:-

okie don

Last year I met a group of procrastinators. We haven't met yet" (:-

okie don

HOW TO BE REMEMBERED
"If you would no be forgotten,
As soon as your dead and rotten,
Either write things worth reading,
Or do things worth the writing."
Benjamin Franklin (:-

MrEd Loc: Georgia

If you really want to do something about the present situation, then outlaw lawyers from office. They cause more problems then anyone else and they are mostly all progressives.

You can also do away with the 17th amendment. That in itself will go farther to helping what is wrong with this government then anything else.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

MrEd wrote:

If you really want to do something about the present situation, then outlaw lawyers from office. They cause more problems then anyone else and they are mostly all progressives.

You can also do away with the 17th amendment. That in itself will go farther to helping what is wrong with this government then anything else.

I'll give you my understanding of how it used to be and how it is now you correct me where I am wrong, before the gov. was elected by the people and he appointed two senators, now the same people that elect the gov. elect the senators so what's the difference

Kachina

alex wrote:

so what if one bunch of those people disagree with what another bunch wants to do how do you keep them from dividing into separate groups or parties?

They disagree now. The difference now is that even if something is a good idea, the opposing party won't v**e for it because they don't want their opponent to get the credit for a good idea. Without parties, they would be more likely to work together and compromise and work together. Now nothing gets done. Congress last year was pretty much a lame duck. They passes hardly anything and Obama passes his regulations because He said congress wasn't doing anything, so we have unpopular regulations because of congress' inaction.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Kachina wrote:

They disagree now. The difference now is that even... (show quote)

which came first the chicken or the egg?

Kachina

alex wrote:

so what if one bunch of those people disagree with what another bunch wants to do how do you keep them from dividing into separate groups or parties?

Right now our government v**es are consistently drawn on party lines. Even good bills don't get through because the opposing party does not want the other party to get the credit. So basically we have a lame duck government. Obama has used this system to his advantage by using executive orders to pass legislation he wants and then telling the American public that it was because congress can't agree on anything. If we got rid of the parties and got a group of citizens, I Said businessmen, but perhaps non business people would have great ideas too, I think they would be more inclined to work together and find compromise. I am sure there will be disagreements, but without parties, that would eliminate most of the bickering along party lines. I said give these lawmakers a modest stipend for their time. I just know what we have is not working. Nothing good comes out of congress and the group we have now seem to be just lazy or just don't care and let Obama pretty much do what he wants. I think a change is warranted.

alex Loc: michigan now imperial beach californa

Kachina wrote:

Right now our government v**es are consistently dr... (show quote)

even if we didn't have party names the same group of people would still v**e together look at all those democrats that changed their party to republican when there got to be too many c*******t in their own party but they still v**e democrat that's what got us into the mess we're in

Xavier Reign

hprinze wrote:

I believe the greatest danger is the existence of ... (show quote)

I have said it before, It was all volunteer in the beginning, think of the money that would be saved paying these guys. Go back to volunteer status and true caring americans will emerge. Get rid of the lifers and career politicians. When they get paid big bucks and get handed money from lobbyists they get to think that they only matter, and start catering to the wrong agenda. Lawyers don't like to do anything for free, yet they freely bend the laws to fit there motives.