TheCracker

I honestly think that many loyal citizens. Citizens which I agree politically with, are in way to much of a hurry to up-rise against our government and take on the military if need be.

Allow me to put out some things to be considered before you leave your warm hearth and head out into the field to battle.

Consider these things.

While we all know the media and liberals keep talking about automatic assault rifles. It is the military who posses fully automatic weapons and all the ammunition they need. Not the civilian population. Your Semi-auto wannabe assault rifle, 500 rounds of ammo and favorite beetle puppy are not in the same league, with the raw power, organization and manpower of our military.

Consider the idea that our troops will never fire on their own people. Bull hockey. Realize two things. Solders have been trained to k**l, and obey orders. They are young and not full of life's experiences, but when they are facing a mob (have you even faced a mob?) they will do wh**ever they must to save themselves. Throw a few rocks and get water and teargas back. Hide behind a building, shoot around the corner at them, or Form a skirmish line and start throwing rounds downrange at them and trust me, you will not like what comes back at you a thousand times over.

This would not be one of those gentleman battles where you get to go home and sleep at night. The military fights around the clock and they just do not stop, until someone orders them to stop.

Have you seen those black choppers? Imagine hundreds of them attacking with fire and brimstone. Imagine napalm burning down your whole neighborhood in a matter of seconds.

Know. Our military is not like the little piss-ants that you see on the TV in the middle east. Our military is a monster we have built. It is ours and it is anything but pretty when you are the target of it.

I know this for a fact. So please friends -- think it through.

Bravado is not smart. Smart is.

The C*****r
cmvrwc

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

As it appears v****g provides no resolution, how would you propose we regain the rights we are continually loosing?

Do not perceive I am arguing with your statements. My questions are genuine in nature.

Does it not concern you Russian Troops may be on US soil in large numbers to supposedly supplement our military for security at "large events/disasters? How do you feel our troops would react if those troops attempted action against US Citizens?

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, The C*****r: What is it do you suggest we who feel a duty to our country should do. I'm too old to fight, but thought I would if I had to as a duty I owed as a constitutional patriotic citizen. But you have just plead the case to make me feel like a wimp. Do you suggest we just give up and let the Marxist/Muslim usurper turn our country into his dictatorship. Look what the folks in Egypt just did. 72 American just died today on the Lexington green resisting gun confiscation in Boston. Did they die in vain.

rumitoid

Nearly everyone but a rare few who have been to war do not see it as a solution to anything. If you look at all the cases of PTSD and the plague of suicides by our military personnel, at an all-time high now, ordinary humans are not k*****g machines, for wh**ever cause, no matter how just. Those on the front line fight to stay alive to return home to their loved ones and to protect the buddy next to him (or her). That is their goal. Not to overcome s***ery, defeat the Kaiser, unseat some dictator, or secure a free flow of oil.

I volunteered for the draft out of my safe and secure exemption for being in college. I was at the University of Maryland on a track scholarship in 1965, home of SDS. The first day I was there, as the captain of the track team tried to pull me away, a speaker for SDS asked the crowd who ran against Washington. (The reason for this question was that America's objection to the e******ns in Viet Nam was that Ho chi Ming ran unopposed.) After maybe two minutes of the crowd tentatively throwing out names--Jefferson, Hamilton, Adams--the speaker said: "No one. No one opposed Washington in our first e******n."

I had not known this; was this fact purposely obscured or denied me or was I not paying attention? Even though "not paying attention" probably accounted for this gap in my understanding of history, something happened to me on a very deep level at that moment. All that I believed as tested and true came into doubt. My immediate dismissal of the Left was quieted.

If these long-haired hippie freaks, really nothing more than privileged cowards, aided and abetted as puppets by c****e agitators, knew more about the history of America than I did, maybe what I knew was not enough. The following year, thoroughly confused but guided by my love of John Wayne (with whom I had fought and k**led more Japs than he as a child), I volunteeed for the draft...to think.

I volunteered for infantry all the way despite being offered better positions by my test scores. The Army sent me to OCS in Fort Benning. At the beginning of summer. I loved it. I grew up in NYC without the benefit of air-conditioning. I actually enjoyed oppressive heat and humidity. I did well...for a while. To make a long story short, one less damn yankee would not be missed and I was booted for a vague "defiance of the rules of military decorum"; a pint planted in my locker. I got my orders in Casual Company for Viet Nam as a crypto-clerk (codes/intelligence). I am embarrassed to say that my stay in so-called "in-country" amounted to an occasional shortage of good steak; I never once fired my weapon. Trouble on the front line were vegetables being too mushy.

Why am I telling you all this? I saw brother against brother first hand. A revolution in America may ring with sweet bells of fighting for liberty, but you, your child, your friends, your parents have an excellent chance of being dismemebered, burned to death, or thankfully k**led outright.

ABBAsFernando Loc: Ohio

rumitoid

What you described as the agenda of the C*******t is everyday business for the neocons here. Unquestioning party loyalists. Lock-step comments. Bullying of those who disagree. And an apparent disdain for anything that even questions their beliefs.

I was in Nam and never fired a shot, even in practice. A cush job where the only assault I had to counter was going without mushrooms on my steak. Hell, I have to tell you. It was forty years before I reluctantly admitted I was there; two of my cousins died there and their bodies were never recovered. All the while I told family and friends I had been in Germany, the apo in Nam a glitch.

mtman2

Thank for the valuable warning I'll pass your great positive info to Gen.GW so he won't waste his time trying to defeat the largest armed force on the earth on who kingdoms the sun never sets.
Good thing WE were warn by the alknowing 'c*****r'=have a nice day!

Loki Loc: Georgia

Everything the all-knowing c*****r said is, unfortunately, true. The c*****r is a veteran, as am I. You obviously are not. We know, first hand, what combat operations entail. You, just as obviously, do not. There are ways to win. None are guaranteed. or even likely. If they are attempted by poorly trained, overconfident personnel, failure is pretty much guaranteed. Should I participate in such actions, I would go in with my eyes open, knowing that complete or partial failure is the most likely outcome.

hprinze Loc: Central Florida

I agree that v****g will not get rid of the coming dictatorship for a couple of reasons.

One is that so many people really don' have the intellihence, the knowledge, or the desire to regain the rights we are supposed to have.

The orher reason is that e******ns fraud is too widespread to be overcome by v****g.

The only uprising or revolution that might be successful would be a military c**p, throwing Obama and his many henchmen in prison and charging and trying them for treason. And that could be a can of worms if the generals and admirals tried to run the new government instead of stepping down for new civilian leaders.

The planning and organization, the carrying out of a military c**p is a mind boggling thing to ponder. It seems to me that in Egypt their military c**p was successful in large part because so many citizens demanded and protested the muslim brotherhood rulers.

I don't think it will ever happen here.

thirty50six

Well written and accurate. The point to be made is I would not expect to survive an attack on the military. Were I to decide on such an endeavor I would not expect a ticker tape parade down main street, I would expect to be k**led in short order. My only plan would be to k**l as many as possible from concealment before being k**led. There would be no face to face stand off. No honor between combatants. The only hope would be that enough of the military itself would stand to protect the Constitution/their oath not allegiance to an administration squarely against the founding principles.

Loki Loc: Georgia

My point. I have never heard anyone with military experience advocate for armed conflict. Those that do have no idea what is required for successful combat operations to occur, the training, and especially the logistics. No conception of what they would face, and no inkling of odds for success. While successful guerilla operations are possible, they require training, dedication, sacrifice, and that old ball and chain, logistics. Yes, I know I said it twice. You cannot sustain an operation with unreliable resupply. Hit and run is different from a longer term operation. If your forces do not have reasonably reliable sources for food, water, ammo, medical supplies, not to mention secure hide positions, you cannot sustain your operation for any length of time. It seems to be a failing of the "grab a gun and shoot back" crowd that these facts are not obvious. Pr********n trumps bravado every time. I do not advocate meek submission, just a dose of reality.

CrazyHorse Loc: Kansas

Quid Pro Quo, CrazyHorse p.s.: Correction, the 72 died statement was the original Lexington uprising. SORRY folks, I TOOK THIS TO BE A LEGITIMATE STORY POSTED BY VISION TO AMERICA AS AN UNFOLDING STORY WITH SOME INDIVIDUALS TAKING THE NAMES OF HISTORIC FIGURES. IT'S REALLY A PRESENTATION OF THE ORIGINAL UPRISING AT LEXINGTON. MEA CULPA, I APPOLOGIZE THE BEST I CAN.

TheCracker

Thank you AuntiE for allowing me the opportunity to further express my opinion (and this post is just that, only an opinion) and for the opportunity to better explain my position. I will choose my words carefully.

I, and male members of my family (including my son) have all served honorably. We have the scars and the DSM's to prove it, and would, if needed do it again, and again.

The question would be "Where and when"? A general "armed" uprising in the streets - against the military - would end in disaster for the us (the patriots), our military, and our country. Bravado and the beating of loud mouths will not win the day. (period)

History shows that the old men frequently are found encouraging their youth to head out into the field of battle, while they themselves park their arse in the sidewalk cafe, play chess, and munch their crumpets while they sip their tea and coffee.

I want anyone who thinks I am full of it to take a look at our own history. Take a short trip back in time, to DC when MacArthur, Eisenhower and Patton turned Their troops loose on our WWI vets living and demonstrating in DC. -- Demonstrating for money that was promised.

By the late afternoon, a tank platoon, an infantry battalion and a cavalry squadron were on the scene to put down their fellow soldiers. Clearly outmatched, the old vets were pushed out by soldiers with fixed bayonets and cavalrymen with their sabres drawn.

The UPI reported that “men, women and children fled shrieking across the broken ground, falling into excavations as they strove to avoid the rearing hoofs and sable points. Meantime, infantry on the south side had adjusted gas masks and were hurling tear gas bombs into the block into which they had just driven the veterans.” Four hours later, the camps had been set ablaze and the protesters driven across the river to the Anacostia Flats camp. By 4am on the 29th, that shantyville was also burning and the marchers driven into Maryland.

From there, the survivors were told to not stop walking until they got to Pennsylvania.

What do you think would have been the outcome, had the WWI vets been armed with their own Springfield bolt action rifles and decided to fire on their own army?

Not impressed, Just a little mistake? Then consider even a little skirmish against college students on a hill at Kent State. This time using M1 rifles only.

Please understand I have been where most of you have not. I have faced both armed and unarmed mobs. Mobs are not a fun thing to play with. A mob is most often, a unreasoning group of radicals, intent on mayhem and destruction. Often their own property and demise is the causality.

Early in my military experiences (as a nco), I was stationed just outside of DC when King held his march on Washington. I was walking through the company assembly grounds when I noticed a bunch of headquarters men gathered in a formation in front of one of the barracks. They were somewhat disciplined, but I doubt any had AIT or actual combat experience. The officer who was Talking to them (no make that promoting and molding a mob) was a capt. He was firing them up into a fever pitch, and I was taken back with how easy it was for him to do that.

At the same time, out on the forts parade grounds, other troops were going through r**t training, in pr********n for the big march on Washington. Bayonet fixed, they were lined up in four rows of a skirmish line. Under central control by their officers and nco's. They were waiting when the above mentioned capt. had his assistants hand each of the (once disciplined - and now a totally out of control group of about fifty men) a genuine military issue, k**ler model ax handle, and told them to go out into the parade field and kick some arse. With a whoop and a scream they ran out, but when they saw what they had just took on they turned their arses around and fled back to their typewriters.

Thank God the original March on Washington was peaceful because had their been a uprising the outcome would have been decisive and a black mark on our history. Why you ask? There was tens of thousands of armed American troops backed up with heavy equipment, trained and ready to loose the monster. They were out of sight but near by.

Speaking of which. I remember during the same time a large gathering of troops in a auditorium. A major was trying to warn the troops about keeping their cool. He was telling them that if someone tossed a brick at them, it would not be personal and they should not take it so. When finished; he mistakenly opened himself up for failure by asking if there were any questions. The first to stand was a skinny white kid about half way back. He announced himself as PFC Jones from Selma Alabama. He had a high pitched voice which echoed about like a bull horn. He said (as best I remember) "I don't know how you let y'all let your n****rs get so far out of control up here, but when one throws a brick at me, I WILL lock - load and blow his black head off!" Not only was his response met with cheers but a serious "Yeah buddy."

One other time when I returned to the U.S. Shores, a young officer with railroad-tracks on my shoulder, full of cum and little combat experienced, I got some real learning. You see; I had hardly had time to bend over and kiss the ground when I was placed in charge of a few squads of now armed marines who also had just arrived in country. The major had me line them up on the banks of a railroad grade and ordered me to make sure the b****s r**ting in Watts did not cross my line. He then took off in a hurry to shore up another line. In short order a deuce and a half brought up water, ammo, a medical team and radios. It was on, right here in the good old USofA....

Yes I have faced more than one mob of r****rs. I always remembered the best way to control a mob was with a massive show of force. It works every time.

Now, make no mistake. I will do my best to protect America with any means at my disposal. I will have to fail at everything before I even begin to seriously think about taking on our own military.

If and when that day comes, I will join in battle, but I will not do it under the influence of drugs. (Which reminds me of a family photo my son sent back from the "Weeds")

MTHolster69

I think many, If not most or all would lay down their weapons and refuse to fire on their countrymen.

thirty50six

Understood and you are correct in everything you say. You have the experience, I have none and above all I thank you for all that you have done I was referring to a kamikaze, self sacrifice move with no hope of hit and run, just k**l then be k**led. Short, to the point. Besides I believe the military would split wide open if they had to fight the populace. But really, I'm just an old fat guy enjoying some back and forth that needs bifocals just to take a leak. I'm going to go take a nap now.