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Feb 9, 2015 00:14:29   #
robert66
 
Loki wrote:
Funny you should mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The highest casualty figures I have found for a total on those 2 cities were a little over 200,000 dead and wounded.
When the Japanese invaded China, a few years earlier, the death toll, not dead and wounded, from Nanking alone was over a half-million unarmed civilians, deliberately slaughtered by the Japanese. The incredible brutality they showed civilians and prisoners both is well-documented, yet no mention is ever made of it. Somehow, the far smaller death toll from the two bombs is the atrocity of the ages, no doubt because of it's perpetration by the US.

The witch trials at Salem occurred in the 1690s. Once again, using atrocities of centuries ago to minimize atrocities today is pointless.
Funny you should mention Hiroshima and Nagasaki. T... (show quote)


Really now , I have no intention of minimizing the ugly ruthless behavior of the ISIL's . I am trying to point out that throughout history people have done f*%ked up s**t. Many claimed God was on their side. Others claimed Allah. One guy said a dog in his neighbors yard told him to shoot people. The ISIL dudes claim to be Muslims and I guess they say the Koran says what they do is okay. The great majority of Muslims say that no , it's not okay and the Koran doesn't say it is. The president wants to prevent a holy war by trying to explain that many have used religion as an excuse to murder or oppress others. It appears that is what ISIL does. The president does not support them in any way by attempting to say all of Islam does not have the same intent. I don't need to explain this to you because you knew when you heard it.

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Feb 9, 2015 00:40:41   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
emarine wrote:
I must say this is a very interesting and surprising post. I think we have to question the validly of ... are all Muslims extreme... before we commit to war and death.... I truly think it is only a fraction of Islam that are the problem... That is the whole problem in fighting terrorism... It hides the evil in with the good... that is the only way terrorism can survive and the only reason we have not yet defeated them... humanity as a whole has not been very well behaved over the last 1000 years to single out anyone in particular. This is an extremely frustrating time we live in. Total all out war should be a last resort, it is this restraint that makes America exceptional.
I must say this is a very interesting and surprisi... (show quote)


emarine: Dont't be stupid...In this situation...if it moves k**l it!!!!!!

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Feb 9, 2015 00:47:36   #
emarine
 
BOHICA wrote:
There is nothing good about Islam.


Around 7% of Islam is extreme.... I would hope there is some good in the 93% who are not....

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Feb 9, 2015 11:46:41   #
BOHICA
 
emarine wrote:
Around 7% of Islam is extreme.... I would hope there is some good in the 93% who are not....


Remember 9/11? Remember the videos of all those moderate muslims dancing in the streets and celebrating?

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Feb 9, 2015 13:00:00   #
ldsuttonjr Loc: ShangriLa
 
emarine wrote:
Around 7% of Islam is extreme.... I would hope there is some good in the 93% who are not....


emarine: Other than shrouding their many wives in toad sacks, and beating them at their will! I really don't see a very seem less t***sition for Muslims in this society, especially in the traditional regions of America!

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Feb 9, 2015 17:07:13   #
emarine
 
ldsuttonjr wrote:
emarine: Other than shrouding their many wives in toad sacks, and beating them at their will! I really don't see a very seem less t***sition for Muslims in this society, especially in the traditional regions of America!


I agree, There should be no changes for Islam in America... its either fit in and obey our laws or hit the road,,, same thing for anyone coming here... What they do in their own country's in the name of Islam is up to them.... The world as a people will have to get together and v**e on what is right or wrong if this extremism keeps up.... if the few can control the many in this barbaric manor then the many will suffer...this is up to the many to solve this .... givin the magnitude of the problem, a little time and patience is mandatory... we should not over react.

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Feb 9, 2015 18:08:19   #
pafret Loc: Northeast
 
emarine wrote:
I agree, There should be no changes for Islam in America... its either fit in and obey our laws or hit the road,,, same thing for anyone coming here... What they do in their own country's in the name of Islam is up to them.... The world as a people will have to get together and v**e on what is right or wrong if this extremism keeps up.... if the few can control the many in this barbaric manor then the many will suffer...this is up to the many to solve this .... givin the magnitude of the problem, a little time and patience is mandatory... we should not over react.
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And, we need to do it very quickly, while we are still 'the many'.

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Feb 10, 2015 04:18:25   #
PeterS
 
BOHICA wrote:
There is nothing good about Islam.


What's good about any religion?

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Feb 10, 2015 04:19:10   #
PeterS
 
BOHICA wrote:
Remember 9/11? Remember the videos of all those moderate muslims dancing in the streets and celebrating?

No, maybe you could pull some up.

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Feb 10, 2015 04:53:16   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
Loki wrote:
The Prevaricator-in-Chief is not a Christian. He is not a Muslim either, except perhaps in his agreement with their desire to destroy the West. He seems to agree with their politics while claiming not to adhere to their religious beliefs. I believe Obama has no religion, other than what is politically advantageous to Obama. This is quite malleable, like his political opinions which he seems to change more frequently than his underwear.
Obama's religion is himself; he is his own god.

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Feb 10, 2015 04:54:17   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
grace scott wrote:
Truer words were never spoken.
Yep, Lock and Load.

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Feb 10, 2015 04:55:55   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
PeterS wrote:
What's good about any religion?
Some are good, some are bad, and some are very very good. Non-belief is one of the worst.

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Feb 10, 2015 04:59:58   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
BOHICA wrote:

Remember 9/11? Remember the videos of all those moderate muslims dancing in the streets and celebrating?


PeterS wrote:
No, maybe you could pull some up.


Video: 13 years ago Muslims around the world celebrated 9/11

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Feb 10, 2015 05:33:06   #
PeterS
 
Armageddun wrote:
I would predict that you have picked the wrong person to correct on almost any subject. Brace yourself.

Why is that? As much as Loki might like to he can't rewrite history. The principle influence of the 18th century was the enlightenment and the age of reason. The only concern of religion for the founders was structuring laws so that each person was free to practice any way they so chose. TJ wrote in 1782 "But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg." And while we all can find just about any quote we want from the founders this single quote sums up best what the founding of our country was all about--that is freedom--to choose the way we believe without interference--from both government and from man.

If you, Loki, or anyone would like to argue differently then please lets have at it. It will at least make for a much more interesting argument then blathering on about Obamas latest imaginary sin...

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Feb 10, 2015 05:37:55   #
PeterS
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Some are good, some are bad, and some are very very good. Non-belief is one of the worst.

So if I believed in Satan that would be better than not believing in anything? Why is that?

And you didn't answer my original question. What is good about any religion? Simply saying some are good and some are very very good says nothing as to why religion is good or bad in the first place.

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