Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

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Another Billion Dollars in Zelensky's pocket.

Steven smith

Plan A is the American taxpayer. It was plan B also.
There is no thrill like deficit spending.
Especially when you never plan to pay it back.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

So, we have Give it Up Ritter calling for surrender. We are in Plan A now, not any so-called Plan B or surrender.
The west needs time to reach high volume production of shells and all the other war weapons the Ukraine needs. I'd say about 18 months. We must see them through this cycle with all we can send them to stem the Russian tide. I say to condemn the Ukrainian people to a Russian occupation is to commit genocide for a million Ukranians under Russian rule. We cannot stand by and let this happen as it surely will if you examine the acts of the Russian army over the past years since 1945 in their some 14 wars or interventions. They have proven their total disregard for the lives of Ukrainians be raining missiles on them continuously, taking out people, buildings, homes, and infrastructure. Mr. Ritter wants us to withdraw and sue for peace, I say that is absolutely the worst possible step we might take on at least two counts: 1. humanitarian needs of the people; and, 2. the geopolitical disaster to the west if the Ukraine falls.
In my post "TheRussian Situation I propose the ultimate Plan A, so I will not repeat it here. Tell Ritter to go pound sand, he doesn't even know the power of NATO today!

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Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Surely you saw the Yacht Zelensky just bought 2 weeks ago?

LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago

Manning5me, you put out a lot of great posts. But you are off on this one. If you have followed Ritter you would know he has a damn good handle on what is happening over there. Any delays in sitting down and negotiating for peace is just k*****g off Ukrainian soldiers and other innocents for no damn good reason.

Russia doesn't dare lose and we can't go to those limits. Especially in a war that we are the primary causes of happening. Yes, America and NATO. If we engaged Russia after the cold war, like we did Japan and Germany after WWII, they would have been great friends for over 30 years. Instead we made promises to never expand NATO, seen as their enemy, and then less then ten years later Clinton broke those promises. And NATO has never slowed down in expanding against those promises. That expansion was never necessary.

We called them the evil Empire. But where they? That was the c*******t USSR. There Empire was dead and they were no longer evil, or c*******t. As a matter of fact, America is leaning more and more c*******t, being led by would be dictators like biden and the progressives, c*******t lite. Now they are becoming great friends with China who is the real evil Empireof today, because we drove then to it.

Think back for a minute. Once the USSR was defeated, or willingly expired around 1990, we no longer had to keep up this war material spending. That military industrial complex needed to still be satisfied. So we kept accusing them if being the Evil Empire. In many ways they tried to be friends. They suggested joining the EU and NATO at different times and were refused. They engaged economically and fueled Europe. They aided us in Afghanistan. They built the Space Station with us and ferried our astronauts there after obama grounded the space shuttle. We had Nuclear treaties with them.

But that was never good enough. America wanted missiles on their border. Poland failed, Ukraine into EU and NATO was next. They offered a great deal through the EU to Ukraine. The western Ukrainians loved it. Putin countered with a better deal and their president accepted Russia's deal. Ukraine was in a great pesition to play both sides against each other.

But western Ukrainians protested. So America/NATO/EU staged a c**p using snipers shooting at both sides to start a war. Their President fled for his life. And Victoria Nuland tried to set up America's choices for their leadership.

Putin saw then going to NATO, NATO missiles on Russia's borders, the loss of their Black Sea port and their SW shipping lanes in jeopardy. They hadn't done anything wrong, but America and NATO was doing what ever it could to strangle Russia on their western borders.

Remember the Red Line obama drew in Syria and then backed down. Well, they drew one on Ukraine. "NEVER NATO". They took Crimea. It was 90 per cent Russians already. And they v**ed to go with Russia. Then Ukraine started to go after the ethnic Russian citizens of Ukraine. They wanted to crush their culture and language. They rebelled. 'Who is this new president'. 'We don't accept an appointed president over the one we elected'. Civil war started and the N**I AZOV m*****a went after them. K*****g 14,000 people in the next 8 years, bombing homes and businesses and torturing prisoners. And America and the west was arming and training them.

What would you have Russia do? These people, mostly civilians, would be crushed. They tried to set up a show of force and biden taunted Putin and sanctioned Russia and many Russians. Do you really think the Big Bear should just cave to these aggressors?

Well, we now have war. Russia's aims from the beginning were some form of autonomy for those provinces under attack, a neutral forever Ukraine, and never NATO and get rid of the N**is. He probably wants a little more now. Four eastern provinces and the land bridge to Crimea. But not much else. He has never indicated any desires to go after Europe. Just protecting Russia's western access to the sea lanes and protecting ethnic Russians.

The Ukrainians have been just as brutal as the Russians whenever they could.

Is that worth another two years of k*****g people who don't want to be in this war, to satisfy NATO and America/bicen/obama. I say hell no. End this damn k*****g now. No funding and they will have to give in and save their countrymen.

And when they exchanged prisoners in the past, the Ukrainians were treated nicely as POWs and not much different then what the Ukrainians did. In surrender, they will be treated nicely. Russia does not want a h**e filled enemy on its border and it will take a long time with maximum efforts on both sides to get past these last ten years. It is way past time to start.

This war never had to happen and we are a major reason it did. These are pretty much the facts as I know them and I have studied this a lot. Get out, save lives, save money (60 billion), start saving America and the dollar from inflation and as the world's reserve currency which is rapidly floating away. Close our border and work on our own internal problems.

Peace Manning5me

Logically Right.

AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State

Wait…was there an actual Plan A?

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

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Steven smith

A great presentation and overview.
I appreciate the time and effort you put into this article

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

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A great post in counter to mine that few have read and fewer understood, I guess. No matter.

I remain convinced that the following are true:
1. Russia is not the sweetness and light country some depict. The conduct of their troops in this and prior wars is abominable. They show no regard for Ukraine citizens by missiling them for two years. I believe they would massacre a million Ukraine citizens given the chance.

2. Russia is an imperialistic nation, and it is expansionist by definition, a faith that Putin has shown continually in Russia. I believe he wants to expand the borders to the old Soviet extent and is willing to use nuclear threats to gobble the Balkans up one by one.

3. The US will be unwilling to start a nuclear war to save either Estonia or Latvia, or Lithuania.

4. It is time to cut off considering the who-shot-John events of the past and over-thinking the problem, over blaming, over crediting, etc. Russia invaded the Ukraine and also took the Crimea from a sovereign nation.

5. NATO nations see this more the way I do, and are ramping up to help. They do not want the Bear to go any further into Europe, and they believe Putin would.

6.NATO and the US are about 18 months away from having armament production and rearming themselves. peaking, The Ukraine needs to be sustained for that period. They need all the weapons and munitions to help.

7. I believe Russia plans to attack in the Baltic, all NATO nations, We will not be able to defend them. But we can derail it by fighting in Ukraine to win using Ukraine troops. With our help, the grinder can be reversed, putting Russian back into its cage, and saving the citizens of Ukraine, and the Balkans.

8. Corruption in Ukraine can either be minimized or not. We have the leverage to do a lot to stop it if we want. Z can have his yacht sold and the funds recovered or sunk, his choice.

This posture of mine will not prevail, it seems clear, I believe mainly because of: 1. the k*****g; and 2, the belief that Russia has become a benign citizen of the world, despite its track record of 14 wars/interventions/etc. since 1945, and 9 of which are Putin wars, some still in progress.
I believe even more k*****g will ensue from a Russian victory, the Balkans will be next, with more k*****g, and we need to worry about Poland. It is a domino pact we face, and it ought to be stopped now in Ukraine.

An aside: Over 80,000 captive German soldiers were sent to Russia in 1944-45. They haven't been heard from since.

Weasel Loc: In the Great State Of Indiana!!

Just simplify all that.

LindaK

(Hand raised)

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

9. We have been remiss in supplying the Ukraine the best weapons in a timely fashion, mainly to ensure they didn't strike Russia. In my view, we could furnish them all the M1A2 Abrams tanks they could man, Bradley's too. More MLRS, m-777'S and ammo for them all; F-16's, A-10's, Stingers, Anti-tank weapons, and more. The Ukrainians are experiencing slow defeat and excessive casualties because of this deficiency. Have we not a store of more than 8,000 M1A2 tanks?

10. The real question here is do we want the Ukrainians to succeed or not? I say yes. The second question is are we willing to stand up to Russian threats to go nuclear? Perhaps Putin feels he can stand having, say, three hundred nukes hitting every city in Russia? He needs to be reminded of our capability for a second strike. I say he bluffs. If Putin is at all sane he would not lead his nation into oblivion, especially over the Ukraine going to the west. Thus, we can proceed with conventional warfare to oust Russia from the Ukraine.

11. But if I am wrong and Putin is perfectly willing to have a nuclear exchange? This is the thought trail that leads to the success of Putin's nuclear blackmail, and virtually any country he wants to absorb into Russia, sooner or later. I say that is exactly what he will do if he wins the Ukraine war.

13. There seems to be a n**i question here for the Ukrainians. Ye Gods, if Russia wins, anyone tagged with being a n**i will be in grave danger of losing his life or spending it in a gulag. How many real n**i's are in the Ukraine? I do not know.

14. Given some sort of treaty between Russia and the Ukraine that results in conformation of the four oblasts and Crimea to be Russian, I suspect that will not be the end of conflicts. I believe there would be a serious insurgency, especially in Crimea.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

Seems to me that our leadership has been remiss in managing our investment in the Ukraine. We should have effective strings attached to our money and war material that allow us to control where it is spent or used sufficiently. Where there is a will, there is a way. Or else, we are again a stupid patsy. Trust but verify is still applicable here.