crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Land use and zoning laws are unconstitutional abrogations and expropriations of property rights. They are a key part of the communization of a country as proposed by Karl Marx in The Manifesto.

Unfortunately, they have been around so long that even Republicans and conservatives have forgotten what it was like before they were permitted under a Supreme Court decision; a previous Supreme Court had ruled them unconstitutional.

Their purpose is to preserve and develop community character. Malls and Big Box stores attest to that success. They arise not in spite of zoning laws but because of them. They confirm the adage that government never does anything right and will always achieve the precise opposite of anything it tries to do.


They are anachronisms in the world of freedom and should all be outlawed.

Kevyn

So if your neighbor wants to put in a tire burning facility you are fine with it?

Sonny Magoo Loc: Where pot pie is boiled in a kettle

H**e to admit it, you're right.
But wait, there's more:
Only a unified religious and moral people are able to live in freedom and not destroy each other.
The further this country gets away from this principle, the more the need for government oversight and control.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

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Rediculous! Logic dictates that land usage should be determined by its suitability and function for the neighborhood, and there are many types of neighborhoods, from city to suburbs, to rural, to roadsides, etc. Not only would I not want a tire factory next to my home, neither would I want a six-story building there, or a parking lot, or a pig farm. Or many other obnoxious items that might creep in. Hence, Land Use and Zoning Laws protect me from such value-destroying events. This legal protection extends to building codes for structures to be built in given types of zones. Thus, I will not see the house next door razed to build a restaurant, or even adapted as it stands for that purpose.

BIRDMAN

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liberalhunter Loc: Your mom's house

Lots of those around...... ain't there?

I'm willing to risk it.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

My property May become more valuable selling tires. Are you fine with a mall being built next to you as does happen now.

I don't want government to have that power. As Benjamin Franklin said, those who would trade freedom for security get neither.

The usage of other nearby properties usually influence what your own property is used for. Many other factors go into such a decision. For instance, I would never want to live near you.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

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Fortunately, the land use and zoning laws are in effect where I live, and I seriously doubt it will change in this era. So, the laws or no laws argument is a tempest in a teapot for me!

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

It's one of the most basic assaults on our freedom in the effort to communize a country. Other always follow. Government is never satisfied with it power and, inevitably it will expand in to other area, if only citing its power in
supervising land us.

And what makes you so sure that with a little greasing that some huge Big Box or store won't be allowed onyou block.

Beware of any government power.

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

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For now, it works both ways. They need the acceptance of the existing residents, 2/3rds of them. or maybe all of them, I think, to obtain permission to do anything. That ain't happening here!
( I needed an excuse to use ain't, and you gave me one, thanks!)

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

Everyone should understand, liberals despise everyone who disagrees with them and, likely, also most who agree with them. They despise humanity. That's the way for liberals. They don't think you should have the right to do anything unless government, i.e they, approve it.

The best determinant of land use, like everything else is the free market, which they also despise. Zoning & land use laws are inefficient for the complexities of making that determination. They stifle the human imagination for solving the problems of urban overcrowding by, for example, building upward. Instead, we have urban and suburban sprawl with over-reliance on automobiles and the resultant air pollution.

So the next time you sit at a red light, choking with your eyes smarting from the vehicle exhausts around you, thank the zoning law bureaucrats with their archaic, inflexible zoning laws.

pegw

I actually like the zoning laws of Toronto better than the US. It plans for dense housing and apartments so people can stay in their neighborhoods.

permafrost Loc: Minnesota

The free market, which no longer exists, if it ever did. would bring the big biz to place any facility it wished in any area it wanted.. your home, gone and replaced by a junk dealer. Or that always wanted tire disposal. or that missed timber treatment facility..

Without the protection of zoning, our lives would be lived in the sewers of runoff from business waste..

Have to ask, did you get rejected from building a out of zone business? Perhaps a lively bar in the heart of residential area?? So all the little kids can enjoy the ambiance of drunks and fight every night of the week as you try to have them attack homework rather then each other...

manning5me Loc: Richmond, Va.

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A few thoughts:
1. Land Use and Zoning Laws protect my property from devaluation by allowing a next-door neighbor to deface his property somehow.
2. The city I live in, Richmond, VA. runs a very sharp Zoning Commission, with some really talented individuals as members. I have been before them twice for various issues.
3. Yes, I won my issues!
4. The greatest problem I have is with the misuse of Emanant Domain to seize property and offer far less for it than the market would afford to the owner. And, to make it even more d********g, to turn the property over to a commercial venture of some kind. Both factors are against the law, but corruption is where you find it.
5. The variation on that move out west has been well-publicized, where government people have tried to appropriate key pieces of land, only to be met with armed resistors, including the landowners, that I believe lost in the end.
6. Then we have the government people that have the power to declare your watering hole to be inadequate or polluted or inappropriate for its location or what have you. You must comply with their demands or you lose the property!
7. On and on it goes with big battles and small ones, and the smell of bad money and corrupt people is often hovering over it all. We have 50 sovereign states and thousands of counties and cities where these kinds of maneuvers are taking place every day of the year. How can we solve this?

Radiance3

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Barack Obama after owning 4 mansions one in Chicago, one in Martha's Vineyard, one in WA. DC, and one nearing completion in Hawaii.

Here they are:

https://www.hellomagazine.com/homes/500895/michelle-obama-barack-obama-property-portfolio-homes-photos/

Mansion in WA DC-Barack and Michael.
https://www.hola.com/us/lifestyle/gallery/2017012316686/obamas-new-washington-dc-home-photos/1/

Barack & Michael Martha's Vineyard.
https://www.hola.com/us/lifestyle/gallery/2017012316686/obamas-new-washington-dc-home-photos/1/

Mansion in Chicago Barack and Michael.
https://www.choosechicago.com/listing/president-barack-obama-house/

Barack and Michael mansion in Hawaii.
https://www.tmz.com/2022/02/22/barack-obama-mansion-hawaii-sea-wall-oahu/

And Biden 2 mansions in Delaware.
Somewhere else are still hidden.
outside of the country banking system. Check with Congress for that.

For the second term of the lawless Biden administration in 2025, Biden will change zoning and demolish all the suburban homes. They will require all people except the elites, to live in high rise apartment buildings, and or condos. People could no longer own single-family homes. They will all be converted by Biden to apartment units where everybody will live equally with their neighbors. We will be required to live among thugs like the B*M thugs, the Mexican thugs and drug cartels and addicts, and all i******s will be our neighbors for DEI and e******y.

This has been a plan by Barack and Joe Biden. Your children will be playing among the children of thugs. And whoever will have huge body built, these children will be under threats by the huge thugs. Punching each other, the huge thugs win all the time.

The lawless Biden using our tax money has already bought 3.984 million v**ers from students whose loans have been paid by Biden. All these are against the SC decisions. Biden is still continuing doing that, and more v**ers will come before Oct. 2024, when Biden pays more of them.

Biden is also using our tax money for various stimulus programs to all those not working and with lower income.
Here they are:
Paying $900 each month for groceries alone.
Paying $3,000 each month for those with children, and low income.
Paying to all who die for their funeral costs.
Paying to all i******s now almost 12 millions of them $3,000 per month each family. That does not include their medical care, and schools for their millions of kids.

Paying to t***sport by plane from various countries to the US to avoid Texas and other states borders. Cost against taxpayers. Most i******s are not t***sported by Biden to the US by plane.

These 12 million i******s well be Biden's and Barack's v**ers, for their Marxist, Socialist and their final goal is the Totalitarian system of government.

The Constitution right now does not function. Most of the provisions are bypassed and violated.

Further, in 2021, there was the $6 trillion appropriated budget for the purpose of fixing highways, and bridges throughout the country. What happened? None was fixed. What happened to the money?

I wish I could audit all Biden's appropriated money how he expended them. And why our infrastructures are still falling apart.

Then Biden and team accused Trump of all their lawless actions.