Teacher prays before school begins, all hell breaks loose (Page 2): Exactly how would it violate the Constitution. If you say separation of church and state, it’s not in the...

Lily

saltwind 78 wrote:

Blade, It would violate the US Constitution, make kids of a different religion feel like they are left out, and would mean that all other religions would have the right to lead prayer in school.
I wouldn't be against a moment of silence in which kids could pray in silence or meditate, or just take the time to get their heads together for the coming school day.

Exactly how would it violate the Constitution. If you say separation of church and state, it’s not in the Constitution.

crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island

saltwind 78 wrote:

Blade, It would violate the US Constitution, make kids of a different religion feel like they are left out, and would mean that all other religions would have the right to lead prayer in school.
I wouldn't be against a moment of silence in which kids could pray in silence or meditate, or just take the time to get their heads together for the coming school day.

Those students have the right to decide to say what they want as long as it's not a requirement. If others feel left out, that's their problem. If I were a public school student, I'd feel left out if some students assembled for a B*M or A****a demonstration but I doubt if anyone would care.

martsiva

saltwind 78 wrote:

Ri-chard, I for one am shocked that a public schoo... (show quote)

Did you even read the article?? She was NOT in school and it WAS before school!! HOW did she violate the Constitution?? She didn`t!!

martsiva

saltwind 78 wrote:

Blade, It would violate the US Constitution, make kids of a different religion feel like they are left out, and would mean that all other religions would have the right to lead prayer in school.
I wouldn't be against a moment of silence in which kids could pray in silence or meditate, or just take the time to get their heads together for the coming school day.

It would violate the Constitution if kids felt left out?? Oh PLEASE point that one out in the Constitution!! It`s truly hard to believe you taught in any school!!

Ri-chard Loc: 23322

saltwind 78 wrote:

Blade, It would violate the US Constitution, make kids of a different religion feel like they are left out, and would mean that all other religions would have the right to lead prayer in school.
I wouldn't be against a moment of silence in which kids could pray in silence or meditate, or just take the time to get their heads together for the coming school day.

Yes, and jews claim their god said they are the chosen ones.

F.D.R.

saltwind 78 wrote:

Ri-chard, I for one am shocked that a public schoo... (show quote)

When I was in grade school back in the 40's each day was begun with a moment of silence for prayer or simply silence followed by the Pledge of Allegiance.

billlingle

Ri-chard wrote:

Officials insist it's only allowed 'when students are not present'.

There's something seriously wrong with officials who can't stomach anyone praying on campus, even before the school day begins.

You won't believe what 1democrats did to this teacher when she dared to communicate with God.

https://www.wnd.com/2024/03/teacher-prays-school-begins-breaks-loose/?utm_source=wnd-news-alerts.beehiiv.com&utm_medium=newsletter&utm_campaign=breaking-news-alert-3-24-2024-1

The teacher in question and her buddies at the f**g pole will not be denied their anticipated "salvation" if they save it for home, sitting on the john, or driving back and forth. Publicly funded institutions can promote and support the functions for which they were established but may not elect to deviate from the assigned task at hand. It does not matter that these gatherings were done "off the clock", they were done on school grounds by school employees which more than implies sanction and support for some religious denomination or for religion in general. Teaching religion or not teaching religion is the option of the parents. An expression of religion where participation by students is possible is a distraction as well as a model for the division of the student body into those who do and those who don't which can have devastating effects and implications that can only further the difficulties of so many students who may be having problems and anxieties over social interaction already.

billlingle

Forkbassman wrote:

Dems do not care about God, threw Him out of their convention yrs ago. All they care about is power & control. Stupid, uninformed Americans STILL v**e them back in, why? FREE HANDOUTS, PHONES, ETC

Right wingers are big on god. They are so big on god that they decided to bring it even closer to home by worshiping Fat Donny the Loser who, in their eyes, is still the anointed one in spite of two impeachments, four indictments, 91 felony charges, rape and fomenting a failed c**p.

So, here we go! "Fat Donny who lives in Florida, stupid be thy hat. . . . and on and on".

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

saltwind 78 wrote:

Blade, It would violate the US Constitution, make kids of a different religion feel like they are left out, and would mean that all other religions would have the right to lead prayer in school.
I wouldn't be against a moment of silence in which kids could pray in silence or meditate, or just take the time to get their heads together for the coming school day.

The only prohibition on religion in the Constitution is Article VI, Clause 3 which simply states, no religious Test shall ever be Required as a Qualification To any Office or public Trust under the United States.

The Constitution does not prohibit the "free exercise" of one's religion.
So, what harm could come from children praying in school?

The Remarkable Role of the Bible in Early American Education
Before the North American colonies became “these United States,” colonial parents understood their divine mandate to early instruct their children. As descendants of the European reformers, who highly valued a “virtuous education,”the colonials believed the education of their children was a generational duty to form the future and its leadership upon the foundation of Christ and His Word.

Founding Father Samuel Adams wrote, Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age, by ... educating their little boys and girls ... and instructing them in the art of self-government, without which they never can act a wise part in the government of societies, great or small; in short of leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.

The History of Christian Education in America

How The Bible Inspired The American Founding From The Beginning
Four hundred years ago, in late 1620, the 102 pilgrims of the Mayflower landed in Plymouth Rock, which they considered the modern-day Promised Land. They were inspired by the Bible, in general, and the Mosaic legacy, in particular, which features a civic covenant, cohesive peoplehood, 12-tribe governance, and a shared vision.

These beliefs and values planted the seeds of the Federalist Papers, the 1776 American Revolution, the Declaration of Independence, the U.S. Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and the overarching American political and justice systems to come. These seeds vaulted the United States into the leadership of the Free World, economically, technologically, scientifically, educationally, and militarily.

billlingle

saltwind 78 wrote:

Ri-chard, I for one am shocked that a public schoo... (show quote)

FINALLY! A sane voice.

billlingle

AuntiE wrote:

She did pray before school

Take a reading class.

On school grounds and publicly. See the difference?

billlingle

Blade_Runner wrote:

Why? What harm could possibly come from praying in a public school, or anywhere else for that matter?

Anywhere else is fine, as long as it is not attached in any way to a publicly funded institution or activity. If you read the posts of some of those who have already commented you can find the answer to the first part of your question. I don't have the patience to write it all out again.

billlingle

Liberty Tree wrote:

A faith that is hidden is no faith at all. Your post shows total ignorance of how the founding fathers viewed the first amendment. I would try to educate you but it would be pointless.

Try educating yourself first. There is a reason that the founding fathers refused to endorse religion in the constitution and to refuse to name a religion as being "official" or "endorsed".

Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON

billlingle wrote:

Right wingers are big on god. They are so big on god that they decided to bring it even closer to home by worshiping Fat Donny the Loser who, in their eyes, is still the anointed one in spite of two impeachments, four indictments, 91 felony charges, rape and fomenting a failed c**p.

So, here we go! "Fat Donny who lives in Florida, stupid be thy hat. . . . and on and on".

billlingle

Ri-chard wrote:

Where did it say she prayed in school and on the government clock. Nice spin

She was at the f**g pole on school grounds. That makes it a sanctioned activity. It doesn't matter if she is getting paid or not, she is an employee of the school district and is on school grounds where students have full access. Were I on that school board I would seriously consider firing that teacher for disregarding rules and policy, not to mention the law, by opting to violate those rules knowingly and at her own discretion.