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Mar 21, 2024 14:55:41   #
EmilyD
 
biffisbuff wrote:
Everyone has the right to believe or not believe in a deity..Yes the Bible is the best selling book of all time but the Bible has also been changed by the church and statesmen many times over ..with the current King James version being what was deemed acceptable by the King of England in 9th century...Not necessarily is everything written exactly as it occurred because there is no way to verify..that does not mean that it's a fairytale either...More like a big book of smaller books written by inspired individuals for morals and decency that future generations are able to use to "plant seeds" so to speak in humans for keeping them in line.......I tried to word that last sentence the best I could.So as Moses wrote the first 5 books in the old testament: Genesis, Exodus.Leviticus, Numbers, Deuteronomy and after reading those,one can conclude that Moses wanted to lay the groundwork to appeal to humanity the basis for conducting themselves in a good way...Not everything is written exactly for this but rather intertwined with stories to achieve the desired outcome....I think that some people on this forum come across as "I believe in God and Jesus is my savior so I am right" in regards to things they post on OPP...I am not trying to put anyone down but I think that you can no more prove that a "God" as described in the Bible exists...then myself or anyone else can prove that a "God" as described does not exist....It is all about faith and I think this was done on purpose..... From my perspective of what I see going on these days is a whole lotta people in this country claiming to be Christians and it is nothing but straight up lip service.. People saying that this country was founded by Christian principles....is not entirely true....All of the major faiths are basically founded on the ten commandments...all of the faiths celebrate in one way or another the winter solstice and the spring passover...My point in this is not anybody is right nor is anybody wrong....more then anybody else is right or wrong...what you are is right for yourself and everyone else is right for themselves...A person does not have to have a belief in a deity in order to be good and decent human being..And this nation is a great melting pot of many types and kinds of people with no faith being most important or least important
Everyone has the right to believe or not believe i... (show quote)


Have you read the various t***slations of the Bible? Here is the same verse with different t***slations. You tell me if they are vastly different in their meanings:

Isaiah 12:2

King James Version (KJV)
2 “Look! God—yes God—is my salvation;
I will trust, and not be afraid.
For the Lord is my strength and my song,
and he has become my salvation.”


Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
2 "Indeed, God is my salvation;
I will trust him and not be afraid,
for the Lord, the Lord himself,
is my strength and my song.
He has become my salvation.”


International Standard Version (ISV)
2 “Look! God—yes God—is my salvation;
I will trust, and not be afraid.
For the Lord is my strength and my song,
and he has become my salvation.”


New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 "Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
For the Lord God is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.”


New International Version (NIV)
2 "Surely God is my salvation;
I will trust and not be afraid.
The Lord, the Lord himself, is my strength and my defense;
he has become my salvation.”


New Century Version (NCV)
2 "God is the one who saves me;
I will trust him and not be afraid.
The Lord, the Lord gives me strength and makes me sing.
He has saved me.”

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There are many more versions, (currently over 3,030 versions in over 2,011 languages) but I think you get the idea.....the t***slations are not any different in meaning. In fact, because the different t***slations that were done over so many centuries are so identical in meaning, it is proof of their T***h!

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Mar 21, 2024 15:08:40   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
EmilyD wrote:
Have you read the various t***slations of the Bible? Here is the same verse with different t***slations. You tell me if they are vastly different in their meanings:

Isaiah 12:2

King James Version (KJV)
2 “Look! God—yes God—is my salvation;
I will trust, and not be afraid.
For the Lord is my strength and my song,
and he has become my salvation.”


Christian Standard Bible (CSB)
2 "Indeed, God is my salvation;
I will trust him and not be afraid,
for the Lord, the Lord himself,
is my strength and my song.
He has become my salvation.”


International Standard Version (ISV)
2 “Look! God—yes God—is my salvation;
I will trust, and not be afraid.
For the Lord is my strength and my song,
and he has become my salvation.”


New American Standard Bible (NASB)
2 "Behold, God is my salvation,
I will trust and not be afraid;
For the Lord God is my strength and song,
And He has become my salvation.”


New International Version (NIV)
2 "Surely God is my salvation;
I will trust and not be afraid.
The Lord, the Lord himself, is my strength and my defense;
he has become my salvation.”


New Century Version (NCV)
2 "God is the one who saves me;
I will trust him and not be afraid.
The Lord, the Lord gives me strength and makes me sing.
He has saved me.”

************************************************

There are several more versions, but I think you get the idea.....the t***slations are not any different in meaning. In fact, because the different t***slations that were done over so many centuries are so identical in meaning, it is proof of their T***h!

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Have you read the various t***slations of the Bibl... (show quote)

Six thousand years, lots of transcriptions and t***slations. There is bound to be discrepancies.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4xz2bArZIz/?igsh=MW55ODRtN3E0ZXJkeQ==

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Mar 21, 2024 15:13:26   #
biffisbuff
 
I don't deny what you just posted but what you are missing is that over time there has been many books deleted like over 40 gospels...the church reason was that many were just saying the same thing....I've read Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John and all 4 of those gospels for the most part pretty much all the same....Mary Magdoline wrote a gospel and so did James who was Jesus 1/2 brother...those gospels were deleted because things that were written tended to take away from the devinety of Jesus and put forth a more realistic human and not as perfect man that the church wanted buried....I am not trying to do anything with my posts other then put the t***h out and I support all people having the right to believe as they choose and live free as they want .... without infringing on the rights of others.

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Mar 21, 2024 15:33:51   #
biffisbuff
 
Mr.Blade.... there is just as much evidence for evolution as there is for intelligent design and sometimes more if fossils of prehistoric humans are included in the equation...many observations can be done in ways that fit a person's perspective...So as I said before I will say again....I can not prove I am right ...what I am is right for me....And you Mr.Blade can not prove you are right..but you are right for yourself...I was raised by a Christian mother and I struggled with what made sense to me for many years until I was able to reach this conclusion.... everything we feel.. everything we think.. everything we do is controlled by our brain...when we die so does our brain and that's it...that makes sense to me and I accept this...I can only control me and you can only control you...i support you believing in whats right for yourself....I hope you afford me the same...👍

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Mar 21, 2024 15:41:27   #
EmilyD
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Six thousand years, lots of transcriptions and t***slations. There is bound to be discrepancies.

https://www.instagram.com/reel/C4xz2bArZIz/?igsh=MW55ODRtN3E0ZXJkeQ==

No wonder you're so confused if you listen to that guy.....he's about as lost as you are. I don't know what he's reading, but the Bible hasn't been t***slated from t***slation to t***slation, it is t***slated from the original languages it was written in.

Originally, the Old Testament was written in Ancient Hebrew (with a small amount Aramaic phrases), and the New Testament was written in Koine, or common, everyday Greek. The Bible is not t***slated from other t***slations, it is t***slated from the original languages...unless someone has ulterior motives.

Whenever a new t***slation is published, say something like the ESV, the NIV, or the CSB, legitimate Bible t***slators t***slate directly from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek languages that the Bible was originally written in.

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Mar 21, 2024 15:46:30   #
Salvatore
 
Radar,
If you taught your children how to be good Americans their choice is clear! But I fear that they may have been already indoctrinated and lean towards the Socialists in power now! Good luck & God bless you and your family!

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Mar 21, 2024 16:01:25   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
EmilyD wrote:
No wonder you're so confused if you listen to that guy.....he's about as lost as you are. I don't know what he's reading, but the Bible hasn't been t***slated from t***slation to t***slation, it is t***slated from the original languages it was written in.

Originally, the Old Testament was written in Ancient Hebrew (with a small amount Aramaic phrases), and the New Testament was written in Koine, or common, everyday Greek. That is what t***slators use...not other t***slations.

Whenever a new t***slation is published, say something like the ESV, the NIV, or the CSB, legitimate Bible t***slators t***slate directly from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek languages that the Bible was originally written in.

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No i wonder /i you're so confused if you listen ... (show quote)

So do you believe that you are more of an expert than he is?

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Mar 21, 2024 16:16:42   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
biffisbuff wrote:
I don't deny what you just posted but what you are missing is that over time there has been many books deleted like over 40 gospels...the church reason was that many were just saying the same thing....I've read Matthew,Mark,Luke,and John and all 4 of those gospels for the most part pretty much all the same....Mary Magdoline wrote a gospel and so did James who was Jesus 1/2 brother...those gospels were deleted because things that were written tended to take away from the devinety of Jesus and put forth a more realistic human and not as perfect man that the church wanted buried....I am not trying to do anything with my posts other then put the t***h out and I support all people having the right to believe as they choose and live free as they want .... without infringing on the rights of others.
I don't deny what you just posted but what you are... (show quote)
Read again the Gospel of John, read carefully.

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John. (the Baptist)

7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.

8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.

9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.

10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:

13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,
(and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and t***h.
Gospel of John, Chapter 1.

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Mar 21, 2024 16:50:11   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
RascalRiley wrote:
So do you believe that you are more of an expert than he is?
Dan McClellan (maklelan) is a Mormon. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods, with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit being three separate gods among many others. Furthermore, it is also possible for humans to ascend to godhood.

When Men Become Gods: Mormon Polygamist Warren Jeffs, His Cult of Fear, and the Women Who Fought Back
Stephen Singular

McClellan's so-called Bible "scholarship" is based on the Book of Mormon, written by Joseph Smith and published in 1830. He is not a true Christian. Emily is.

Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith
Jon Krakauer

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Mar 21, 2024 17:13:41   #
EmilyD
 
RascalRiley wrote:
So do you believe that you are more of an expert than he is?

I don't give a shīt what you think he is or if I'm an "expert" or not. I know how the Bible has been t***slated.

Mormons believe the Bible (the KJV version), but do not consider it inerrant. Neither do they consider the Bible complete. What makes Mormonism different from other (genuine) Christians is their belief in continuing revelation sustained through prophets, seers, and revelators. So while Mormons affirm the Bible, they also affirm the inspiration of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Dan McClellan is a Mormon. I believe what he is doing with his videos on Instagram, is trying to subtly convince people that the Bible is incomplete and is capable of being wrong, and it would be better to read his Book of Mormon and other Mormon documents.


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Mar 21, 2024 17:41:55   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Dan McClellan (maklelan) is a Mormon. Mormonism teaches that there are many gods, with the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit being three separate gods among many others. Furthermore, it is also possible for humans to ascend to godhood.

When Men Become Gods: Mormon Polygamist Warren Jeffs, His Cult of Fear, and the Women Who Fought Back
Stephen Singular

McClellan's so-called Bible "scholarship" is based on the Book of Mormon, written by Joseph Smith and published in 1830. He is not a true Christian. Emily is.

Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith
Jon Krakauer
Dan McClellan (maklelan) is a Mormon. Mormonism te... (show quote)

“Dan McClellan (maklelan) is a Mormon.”

I did not know that nor did you provide source.

I do know that Mormonism is an outlier in Christendom.

But he sounds so sincere.

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Mar 21, 2024 17:46:45   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
EmilyD wrote:
I don't give a shīt what you think he is or if I'm an "expert" or not. I know how the Bible has been t***slated.

Mormons believe the Bible (the KJV version), but do not consider it inerrant. Neither do they consider the Bible complete. What makes Mormonism different from other (genuine) Christians is their belief in continuing revelation sustained through prophets, seers, and revelators. So while Mormons affirm the Bible, they also affirm the inspiration of the Book of Mormon, Doctrine and Covenants, and the Pearl of Great Price.

Dan McClellan is a Mormon. I believe what he is doing with his videos on Instagram, is trying to subtly convince people that the Bible is incomplete and is capable of being wrong, and it would be better to read his Book of Mormon and other Mormon documents.


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I don't give a shīt what you think he is or if I'm... (show quote)

If he is a Mormon I will stop following him. I follow several others on Instagram that have escaped Mormonism.

It is control.

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Mar 21, 2024 17:52:16   #
EmilyD
 
RascalRiley wrote:
If he is a Mormon I will stop following him. I follow several others on Instagram that have escaped Mormonism.

It is control.


https://www.mormonwiki.com/Dan_McClellan

"Dan McClellan has been gathering a following on TikTok since the spring of 2021. As of December 2022, more than a quarter-million followers listen to what he clarifies about the Bible and religion. According to ReligionNews.com, McClellan has “the rare ability to explain legitimate biblical scholarship to ordinary people.”[1]

McClellan started his TikTok channel to challenge misinformation online about the Bible. Viewers repeatedly tag him on content they want him to address. “Data over dogma” is the tagline for his channel. He is also starting to produce content on YouTube.

He is the author of the open-access book, YHWH’s Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach (published by the Society of Biblical Literature).

He received a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern studies, majoring in Biblical Hebrew and minoring in Classical Greek. He holds a master’s degree in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford and a master’s degree in biblical studies from Trinity Western University. He holds a PhD in religion and religious studies from the University of Exeter.[2]

McClellan converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after his first semester of college.

He is a scripture t***slation supervisor for the Church and is an adjunct teacher in the Ancient Scripture Department at Brigham Young University.

He has also been active politically and has been a Democratic candidate in two Utah e******ns.

McClellan has lived in various states, the United Kingdom, and has also lived in Uruguay, where he served as a full-time missionary. He and his wife have three daughters.


That's the Morman's description of him....

The problem with him is he is a smart man who is imparting false information about the True Christian Bible. A dangerous thing.

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Mar 21, 2024 18:12:47   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
EmilyD wrote:
https://www.mormonwiki.com/Dan_McClellan

"Dan McClellan has been gathering a following on TikTok since the spring of 2021. As of December 2022, more than a quarter-million followers listen to what he clarifies about the Bible and religion. According to ReligionNews.com, McClellan has “the rare ability to explain legitimate biblical scholarship to ordinary people.”[1]

McClellan started his TikTok channel to challenge misinformation online about the Bible. Viewers repeatedly tag him on content they want him to address. “Data over dogma” is the tagline for his channel. He is also starting to produce content on YouTube.

He is the author of the open-access book, YHWH’s Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach (published by the Society of Biblical Literature).

He received a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern studies, majoring in Biblical Hebrew and minoring in Classical Greek. He holds a master’s degree in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford and a master’s degree in biblical studies from Trinity Western University. He holds a PhD in religion and religious studies from the University of Exeter.[2]

McClellan converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after his first semester of college.

He is a scripture t***slation supervisor for the Church and is an adjunct teacher in the Ancient Scripture Department at Brigham Young University.

He has also been active politically and has been a Democratic candidate in two Utah e******ns.

McClellan has lived in various states, the United Kingdom, and has also lived in Uruguay, where he served as a full-time missionary. He and his wife have three daughters.


That's the Morman's description of him....

The problem with him is he is a smart man who is imparting false information about the True Christian Bible. A dangerous thing.

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https://www.mormonwiki.com/Dan_McClellan br br i... (show quote)



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Mar 21, 2024 18:32:36   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
EmilyD wrote:
https://www.mormonwiki.com/Dan_McClellan

"Dan McClellan has been gathering a following on TikTok since the spring of 2021. As of December 2022, more than a quarter-million followers listen to what he clarifies about the Bible and religion. According to ReligionNews.com, McClellan has “the rare ability to explain legitimate biblical scholarship to ordinary people.”[1]

McClellan started his TikTok channel to challenge misinformation online about the Bible. Viewers repeatedly tag him on content they want him to address. “Data over dogma” is the tagline for his channel. He is also starting to produce content on YouTube.

He is the author of the open-access book, YHWH’s Divine Images: A Cognitive Approach (published by the Society of Biblical Literature).

He received a bachelor’s degree from Brigham Young University in ancient Near Eastern studies, majoring in Biblical Hebrew and minoring in Classical Greek. He holds a master’s degree in Jewish studies at the University of Oxford and a master’s degree in biblical studies from Trinity Western University. He holds a PhD in religion and religious studies from the University of Exeter.[2]

McClellan converted to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints after his first semester of college.

He is a scripture t***slation supervisor for the Church and is an adjunct teacher in the Ancient Scripture Department at Brigham Young University.

He has also been active politically and has been a Democratic candidate in two Utah e******ns.

McClellan has lived in various states, the United Kingdom, and has also lived in Uruguay, where he served as a full-time missionary. He and his wife have three daughters.


That's the Morman's description of him....

The problem with him is he is a smart man who is imparting false information about the True Christian Bible. A dangerous thing.

...
https://www.mormonwiki.com/Dan_McClellan br br i... (show quote)

Thank you Emily. I did not know.

As I have said, I follow ex Mormons on Instagram and it is b chilling.

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