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Jan 15, 2024 13:55:51   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
In another thread the political term "moderate" came up. I assume a "moderate" is someone who is just left or right of center. My question is then, what is the definition of political "center"? The population can be 80% left or 80% right of center but the "center" is a fixed point. So what determines the "center"? What point of reference or guide is it fixed to? Or is it fluid like the Democrats view the constitution as fluid and always moving which makes it a meaningless reference? How do some here define "center"?

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Jan 15, 2024 14:17:43   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Strycker wrote:
In another thread the political term "moderate" came up. I assume a "moderate" is someone who is just left or right of center. My question is then, what is the definition of political "center"? The population can be 80% left or 80% right of center but the "center" is a fixed point. So what determines the "center"? What point of reference or guide is it fixed to? Or is it fluid like the Democrats view the constitution as fluid and always moving which makes it a meaningless reference? How do some here define "center"?
In another thread the political term "moderat... (show quote)


I think the center is midway between the right and left. And the further the left goes left, the further the center goes left. But more people then tend to be right. And that is how the political winds blow and the pendulum swings.
But after obama and now biden, the pendulum has swung to far left and needs a major correction. Hence, one of the reasons for the current over zealousness of the right and those that love Trump, to bring things back to center or better yet, slightly right of center to overcome the l*****t fanatics and would be dictators and advocates of c*******m and One World Order.
And those are true evils that the left will learn to h**e once it is installed and they become s***es to the bureaucracy of that system and its various hybrids, between N**is and Marxists.

Logically Right

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Jan 15, 2024 14:23:54   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I think the center is midway between the right and left. And the further the left goes left, the further the center goes left. But more people then tend to be right. And that is how the political winds blow and the pendulum swings.
But after obama and now biden, the pendulum has swung to far left and needs a major correction. Hence, one of the reasons for the current over zealousness of the right and those that love Trump, to bring things back to center or better yet, slightly right of center to overcome the l*****t fanatics and would be dictators and advocates of c*******m and One World Order.
And those are true evils that the left will learn to h**e once it is installed and they become s***es to the bureaucracy of that system and its various hybrids, between N**is and Marxists.

Logically Right
I think the center is midway between the right and... (show quote)



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Jan 15, 2024 14:56:47   #
billy a Loc: South Florida
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I think the center is midway between the right and left. And the further the left goes left, the further the center goes left. But more people then tend to be right. And that is how the political winds blow and the pendulum swings.
But after obama and now biden, the pendulum has swung to far left and needs a major correction. Hence, one of the reasons for the current over zealousness of the right and those that love Trump, to bring things back to center or better yet, slightly right of center to overcome the l*****t fanatics and would be dictators and advocates of c*******m and One World Order.
And those are true evils that the left will learn to h**e once it is installed and they become s***es to the bureaucracy of that system and its various hybrids, between N**is and Marxists.

Logically Right
I think the center is midway between the right and... (show quote)


People are lazy. It's easier to just declare themselves "left" or "right", and v**e according to what the media, or their peers think is the correct person.
I know people who, when questioned, know NOTHING about the candidate they are rooting for.
"Center" ? I've been a carpenter for a while, and my definition is literal, and there can be NO "center" in today's political climate. πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡²

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Jan 15, 2024 16:08:17   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I think the center is midway between the right and left. And the further the left goes left, the further the center goes left. But more people then tend to be right. And that is how the political winds blow and the pendulum swings.
But after obama and now biden, the pendulum has swung to far left and needs a major correction. Hence, one of the reasons for the current over zealousness of the right and those that love Trump, to bring things back to center or better yet, slightly right of center to overcome the l*****t fanatics and would be dictators and advocates of c*******m and One World Order.
And those are true evils that the left will learn to h**e once it is installed and they become s***es to the bureaucracy of that system and its various hybrids, between N**is and Marxists.

Logically Right
I think the center is midway between the right and... (show quote)


So it is a "mean" rather than an "average" with no fixed point? Makes sense. That would explain Elon Musk's position remaining the same but his political affiliation changing. But, doesn't that make it nearly impossible to define what a moderate is by policy since it is fluid and ever changing? I suppose that means that what is considered extremist today could become moderate in the future or that a moderate on either side is simple not an extremist on either side. At least until an extreme becomes the new normal.

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Jan 15, 2024 18:50:33   #
BIRDMAN
 
Strycker wrote:
In another thread the political term "moderate" came up. I assume a "moderate" is someone who is just left or right of center. My question is then, what is the definition of political "center"? The population can be 80% left or 80% right of center but the "center" is a fixed point. So what determines the "center"? What point of reference or guide is it fixed to? Or is it fluid like the Democrats view the constitution as fluid and always moving which makes it a meaningless reference? How do some here define "center"?
In another thread the political term "moderat... (show quote)


I would define it as an independent

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Jan 15, 2024 20:08:31   #
XXX Loc: Somewhere north of the Mason-Dixon
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
I would define it as an independent


I'm independent. I still v**e republican most of the time. I v**ed for my democrat governor though. And i would again.

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Jan 15, 2024 20:36:07   #
BIRDMAN
 
XXX wrote:
I'm independent. I still v**e republican most of the time. I v**ed for my democrat governor though. And i would again.


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Jan 15, 2024 20:43:09   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
BIRDMAN wrote:
I would define it as an independent


Bernie Sanders is an independent. Joe Lieberman is an independent. Hardly the center. An independent can have very radical positions/opinions or no opinions at all. Is an independent simple anyone that doesn't define themselves as Democrat or Republican.

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Jan 15, 2024 21:02:31   #
BIRDMAN
 
Strycker wrote:
Bernie Sanders is an independent. Joe Lieberman is an independent. Hardly the center. An independent can have very radical positions/opinions or no opinions at all. Is an independent simple anyone that doesn't define themselves as Democrat or Republican.


Bernie Sanders is a c*******t

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Jan 16, 2024 12:11:39   #
DAV
 
Strycker wrote:
In another thread the political term "moderate" came up. I assume a "moderate" is someone who is just left or right of center. My question is then, what is the definition of political "center"? The population can be 80% left or 80% right of center but the "center" is a fixed point. So what determines the "center"? What point of reference or guide is it fixed to? Or is it fluid like the Democrats view the constitution as fluid and always moving which makes it a meaningless reference? How do some here define "center"?
In another thread the political term "moderat... (show quote)


Christ does not do 'moderate'. This smacks of the Look-At-Me-See-How-Nice-I-Am Syndrome and of the Pharisee definition: a hypocrite, a self-righteous person.

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Jan 16, 2024 13:53:50   #
pegw
 
LogicallyRight wrote:
I think the center is midway between the right and left. And the further the left goes left, the further the center goes left. But more people then tend to be right. And that is how the political winds blow and the pendulum swings.
But after obama and now biden, the pendulum has swung to far left and needs a major correction. Hence, one of the reasons for the current over zealousness of the right and those that love Trump, to bring things back to center or better yet, slightly right of center to overcome the l*****t fanatics and would be dictators and advocates of c*******m and One World Order.
And those are true evils that the left will learn to h**e once it is installed and they become s***es to the bureaucracy of that system and its various hybrids, between N**is and Marxists.

Logically Right
I think the center is midway between the right and... (show quote)


The Republicans have driven the country into very much into the far right, where Democrats haven't really changed their positions in ages. So the center is now much more conservative than it was 20 years ago.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:01:29   #
Justice101
 
Strycker wrote:
Bernie Sanders is an independent. Joe Lieberman is an independent. Hardly the center. An independent can have very radical positions/opinions or no opinions at all. Is an independent simple anyone that doesn't define themselves as Democrat or Republican.


As an independent v**er, you have the freedom to v**e for candidates based on their individual platforms on the issues, rather than their party affiliation.

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Jan 16, 2024 14:23:58   #
American Vet
 
pegw wrote:
The Republicans have driven the country into very much into the far right, where Democrats haven't really changed their positions in ages. So the center is now much more conservative than it was 20 years ago.


democrats: Men can get pregnant. I don't know what a woman is - I am not a biologist. Men can shower with young girls.

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Jan 16, 2024 15:23:46   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
pegw wrote:
The Republicans have driven the country into very much into the far right, where Democrats haven't really changed their positions in ages. So the center is now much more conservative than it was 20 years ago.


You can't be serious, but, if you are, what do you think the far right stands for? How has the right specifically gotten more extreme? How do you think the left has remained constant when Democrats have flipped or pushed further to the socialist left on nearly every issue since Obama got elected? Or are you saying that Democrats have always been socialists/c*******ts? You have moved from Sanders being a fringe outsider to appealing to nearly 50% of Democrats in 2020.

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