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Dec 1, 2023 16:34:29   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
"the typical American household must now spend an additional $11,434 annually in order to have the same standard of living as they had in January of 2021".

Apparently, my wife and I must maintain an exceptional household.


My household has held its own even with higher prices . $11434.00 is a lot of money . I would have noticed spending that much .

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Dec 1, 2023 16:38:50   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Coos Bay Tom wrote:
My household has held its own even with higher prices . $11434.00 is a lot of money . I would have noticed spending that much .

Same here, Tom. Your household must be another exceptional one.

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Dec 1, 2023 16:40:10   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
slatten49 wrote:
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/Counter Intelligence at U.S. Army (1969–1996)

Question to me: As a liberal, have you ever read/listened to a news piece and thought, this is exactly what conservatives are talking about and I completely agree with them?

As a former U.S. Army Intelligence analyst and counterintelligence agent, I often read/listen to an American “conservative” news piece and think this is exactly what MAGAites are talking about and how what they are talking about sounds just like the news pieces from the old Soviet Union, the old East Germany and the North Koreans.

In the days of the Soviet Union, the two main “news” sources were Pravda (T***h) and Izvestia {News). There was a common Russian expression in those days “I v novostyakh net pravdy i v pravde net novostey” which, roughly t***slated into English is “In News there is no T***h and in T***h there is no News”.

When I was an intelligence analyst, I would read and listen to the news sources of the Soviet Union, East Germany and North Korea to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.

Now I occasionally read and listen to American “conservative” news sources such as Fox, OAN, Newsmaxx, etc. to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/C... (show quote)


I do the same slatten.

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Dec 1, 2023 16:43:52   #
son of witless
 
slatten49 wrote:
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/Counter Intelligence at U.S. Army (1969–1996)

Question to me: As a liberal, have you ever read/listened to a news piece and thought, this is exactly what conservatives are talking about and I completely agree with them?

As a former U.S. Army Intelligence analyst and counterintelligence agent, I often read/listen to an American “conservative” news piece and think this is exactly what MAGAites are talking about and how what they are talking about sounds just like the news pieces from the old Soviet Union, the old East Germany and the North Koreans.

In the days of the Soviet Union, the two main “news” sources were Pravda (T***h) and Izvestia {News). There was a common Russian expression in those days “I v novostyakh net pravdy i v pravde net novostey” which, roughly t***slated into English is “In News there is no T***h and in T***h there is no News”.

When I was an intelligence analyst, I would read and listen to the news sources of the Soviet Union, East Germany and North Korea to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.

Now I occasionally read and listen to American “conservative” news sources such as Fox, OAN, Newsmaxx, etc. to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/C... (show quote)


What you just did there was " Projection ." Years ago I said the same things about the American Left Wing Media. Some of my old posts must have resurfaced and are now used as source material by Progressive think tanks.

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Dec 1, 2023 16:51:02   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
"the typical American household must now spend an additional $11,434 annually in order to have the same standard of living as they had in January of 2021".

Apparently, my wife and I must maintain an exceptional household.


There are only two of you and the standard is a household of four.

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Dec 1, 2023 16:55:28   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
son of witless wrote:
What you just did there was " Projection ." Years ago I said the same things about the American Left Wing Media. Some of my old posts must have resurfaced and are now used as source material by Progressive think tanks.


From Aaron Brown, columnist at Wilmott Magazine (1999–present)

If 49 percent of Democrats identify as being moderate or conservative, why does the Democratic Party seem to be veering so hard to the left?

After the Reagan revolution, US politics has been dominated by a bipartisan center-right coalition of liberal and moderate Republicans and conservative Democrats. Although there was a lot of noise from left and right, mainstream policy and legislation was firmly center-right. That describes the administrations of both Bushes, Clinton, Obama and Trump. There were some high-profile issues on which Republican leadership took rightwing positions, or Democratic leadership took leftwing positions, but these were more political theater than substantive policy. For all the heat over issues like Obamacare, the basic approach to healthcare was firmly center-right.

Things started to unravel with the financial crisis in 2008 giving birth to both the Tea Party on the populist right, and Occupy Wall Street on the populist left. Donald Trump was the first president to exploit the populist right, in the form of MAGA. The Democratic party leadership blocked populists on the left with center-right candidates, but tried to buy it off with certain policy initiatives.

I think these initiatives, along with rhetoric by some leftwing Democrats, you see as the party veering to the left. But if you look at Democratic v**ers, you do not see this shift. You can see it to some extent in legislation and executive orders, but even the new-vintage Biden is more center than left. The test will be whether the center-right leaders will manage to nominate Joe Biden, or a suitable center-right replacement, for 2024, or if a progressive candidate can prevail.

On the Republican side, most leaders seem to be trying to buy off the populist right with some hot-button positions, while maintaining the old center-right alliance. But with Trump still very much in the running for the nomination and presidency and having completely lost his earlier center-left and center-right views, things are more chaotic.

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Dec 1, 2023 16:58:44   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
AuntiE wrote:
There are only two of you and the standard is a household of four.

You seem to have forgotten that we are a generous supplier of needs for our immense extended Family...Seven adult children, twenty-six grandchildren and 16 great grandchildren.

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Dec 1, 2023 17:11:48   #
pegw
 
slatten49 wrote:
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/Counter Intelligence at U.S. Army (1969–1996)

Question to me: As a liberal, have you ever read/listened to a news piece and thought, this is exactly what conservatives are talking about and I completely agree with them?

As a former U.S. Army Intelligence analyst and counterintelligence agent, I often read/listen to an American “conservative” news piece and think this is exactly what MAGAites are talking about and how what they are talking about sounds just like the news pieces from the old Soviet Union, the old East Germany and the North Koreans.

In the days of the Soviet Union, the two main “news” sources were Pravda (T***h) and Izvestia {News). There was a common Russian expression in those days “I v novostyakh net pravdy i v pravde net novostey” which, roughly t***slated into English is “In News there is no T***h and in T***h there is no News”.

When I was an intelligence analyst, I would read and listen to the news sources of the Soviet Union, East Germany and North Korea to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.

Now I occasionally read and listen to American “conservative” news sources such as Fox, OAN, Newsmaxx, etc. to see what the enemies of my country are talking about.
From Richard Francis White - Former Intelligence/C... (show quote)


So I read this guy died in 1996. How could he talk about MAGA, started in 2016?

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Dec 1, 2023 17:15:54   #
Liberty Tree
 
slatten49 wrote:
Your being an ERWNJ, I challenge you to show a posting where I used Alternet or RawStory as a source.

I'll be waiting.


I did not say you posted from them. I just said they were one of your sources. Do you deny you read them? You prefer to post from ELWNJS no one has heard of rather than the obvious l*****ts. You think that gives your posts more credibility.

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Dec 1, 2023 17:53:32   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I did not say you posted from them. I just said they were one of your sources. Do you deny you read them? You prefer to post from ELWNJS no one has heard of rather than the obvious l*****ts. You think that gives your posts more credibility.

Neither has ever been a source.

The writer of my opening article, Richard Francis White, was a US Army intelligence officer who made exceptional contributions to military intelligence.

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Dec 1, 2023 18:21:10   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
pegw wrote:
So I read this guy died in 1996. How could he talk about MAGA, started in 2016?

I will assume we're confusing two people with one another. But, if you can provide a link on Mr. White (I can't), I'd love to check it out.

Richard Francis White was a US Army intelligence officer who made exceptional contributions to military intelligence.

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Dec 1, 2023 18:28:23   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
I did not say you posted from them. I just said they were one of your sources. Do you deny you read them? You prefer to post from ELWNJS no one has heard of rather than the obvious l*****ts. You think that gives your posts more credibility.


Question Liberty tree -- Is Reuters a credible news source ? I often look to them for news

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Dec 1, 2023 19:17:07   #
slatten49 Loc: Lake Whitney, Texas
 
Tom, IMO, Reuters has a centrist's perspective.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reuters-fact-check-media-bias

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Dec 1, 2023 20:25:46   #
Coos Bay Tom Loc: coos bay oregon
 
slatten49 wrote:
Tom, IMO, Reuters has a centrist's perspective.

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/reuters-fact-check-media-bias


That is why I like them

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Dec 1, 2023 21:26:14   #
AuntiE Loc: 45th Least Free State
 
slatten49 wrote:
You seem to have forgotten that we are a generous supplier of needs for our immense extended Family...Seven adult children, twenty-six grandchildren and 16 great grandchildren.


You are not housing all of them, feeding all of them, paying car insurance, rent, etc. for all of them, hence your household remains two people.

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