Carest Thou Not? “And He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake Him, and say unto Him, Master, carest Thou not that we perish?” (Mark 4:38) There are...

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“And He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake Him, and say unto Him, Master, carest Thou not that we perish?” (Mark 4:38)

There are times when we have seemingly unsurmountable problems and God seems to us to be ignoring our pleadful prayers for assistance, and finally we begin to wonder if He truly hears, and if He truly loves us at all.

There is no need to wonder. God cares about each sparrow, and He deeply cares about each of His own children who have been ransomed by the precious blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. If there is not some clearly evident reason known to us as to why He is not answering (such as perpetual unconfessed sin in our lives), then perhaps it is (as in Job’s case) a simple test of our faith.

For only God knows the correct path, and the proper timing that will allow us the supreme honor of contributing our maximum to furthering His Truth, and His Kingdom in the souls of men. He alone sees the end from the beginning.

When the disciples thought Jesus didn’t care, He rebuked them thus: “Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?” (Mark 4:40).

Mary and Martha sent word that their brother Lazarus was deathly ill, but then Jesus “abode two days still in the same place where he was” (John 11:6). When the sisters complained about His delay, He replied: “Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?” (John 11:40).

One day a woman of Canaan cried out to Him for mercy on her for her demonically-possessed daughter, “but He answered her not a word.” He seemed not to care, but she kept calling on Him and worshiping Him, until He finally said to her: “O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt”
(Matthew 15:23, 28).

The disciples, the sisters of Lazarus, and the Canaanite woman were all bewildered that He failed to operate on their timetable, and were consternated at what appeared to them to be His seeming lack of concern, but He did care. He did calm the storm, He did raise Lazarus from the dead, and He did heal the daughter of the woman who beseeched Him to do so. His delay served the purpose of testing and strengthening their faith.

Can He not also test us, thus strengthening our faith?: “that the trial of your faith...though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ?” (1 Peter 1:7)
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Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Zemirah wrote:

“And He was in the hinder part of the ship, asleep on a pillow: and they awake Him, and say unto Him, Master, carest Thou not that we perish?” (Mark 4:38)

There are times when we have seemingly unsurmountable problems and God seems to us to be ignoring our pleadful prayers for assistance, and finally we begin to wonder if He truly hears, and if He truly loves us at all.

There is no need to wonder. God cares about each sparrow, and He deeply cares about each of His own children who have been ransomed by the precious blood of His Son, Jesus Christ. If there is not some clearly evident reason known to us as to why He is not answering (such as perpetual unconfessed sin in our lives), then perhaps it is (as in Job’s case) a simple test of our faith.

For only God knows the correct path, and the proper timing that will allow us the supreme honor of contributing our maximum to furthering His Truth, and His Kingdom in the souls of men.

When the disciples thought Jesus didn’t care, He rebuked them thus: “Why are ye so fearful? how is it that ye have no faith?” (Mark 4:40).

Mary and Martha sent word that their brother Lazarus was deathly ill, but then Jesus “abode two days still in the same place where he was” (John 11:6). When the sisters complained about His delay, He replied: “Said I not unto thee, that, if thou wouldest believe, thou shouldest see the glory of God?” (John 11:40).

One day a woman of Canaan cried out to Him for mercy on her for her demonically-possessed daughter, “but He answered her not a word.” He seemed not to care, but she kept calling on Him and worshiping Him, until He finally said to her: “O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt”
(Matthew 15:23, 28).

The disciples, the sisters of Lazarus, and the Canaanite woman were all bewildered that He failed to operate on their timetable, and were consternated at what appeared to them to be His seeming lack of concern, but He did care. He did calm the storm, He did raise Lazarus from the dead, and He did heal the daughter of the woman who beseeched Him to do so. His delay served the purpose of testing and strengthening their faith.

Can He not also test us, thus strengthening our faith?: “that the trial of your faith...though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ?” (1 Peter 1:7)

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Superb post💯

Thanks

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Superb post💯

Thanks

Happy Christian Meeting Day of the Week, Canuckus.

Armageddun Loc: The show me state

Zemirah wrote:

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Amen

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Armageddun wrote:

Amen

Amen and Amen, Armageddun!,

I would double that refrain on behalf of our friend, Boehner, who is surely looking down upon us, ~

for in Revelation 9:9-11, those saints slain in the Rapture cried out to the Lord for justice, meaning they

could see what was taking place upon the earth:

9 "And when the Lamb opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of those who had been slain for the word of God and for the testimony they had upheld.
10 And they cried out in a loud voice, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, until You avenge our blood and judge those who dwell upon the earth?”
11 Then each of them was given a white robe and told to rest a little while longer, until the full number of their fellow servants, their brothers, were killed, just as they had been killed."

How do you feel about that?

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Zemirah wrote:

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Good morning Z,
I have a question regarding the text between the praying hands 🙏.
If the rapture has yet to occur, which it does, how is Boehner not sleeping?
Just uncertain about awareness while absent the body but present with the Lord 🤷‍♂️
Thanks for clarifying 😇

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Marty 2020 wrote:

Good morning Z,
I have a question regarding the text between the praying hands 🙏.
If the rapture has yet to occur, which it does, how is Boehner not sleeping?
Just uncertain about awareness while absent the body but present with the Lord 🤷‍♂️
Thanks for clarifying 😇

Good Morning, Marty.

"And God has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come. Therefore we are always confident, although we know that while we are at home in the body, we are away from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight." (2nd Corinthians 5:5-7)

When a born-again believer dies, his soul goes immediately into the presence of the Lord. There, the soul consciously awaits the resurrection of the body. To the church at Philippi, Paul wrote from a Roman prison:

“For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you” (Philippians 1:21-24).

Paul speaks through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, - if the body and soul are never separated, but both lie in the ground, it would be impossible to be "absent from the body and present with the Lord."

If the soul sleeps in the grave with the body, why would Paul be torn between living and dying? Would he not want to live to minister as long as possible, rather than to choose to sleep in a grave, away from his Lord?

Much of what people believe about the soul or spirit doesn’t come from the Bible, There are those who believe in "soul sleep," meaning that when a person dies, his body and soul sleep together in the grave, awaiting the resurrection, but the soul is eternal, the soul never dies.

The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6 ), it does not mean literal sleep. The body sleeps. Verses that challenge the concept of soul sleep are: Genesis 35:18; Luke 16:19-31; Luke 23:43; John 11:25-26; 1 Peter 3:18-19.

Would the Holy Spirit misinform Paul in Holy Scripture?

"God is not man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not fulfill it?" (Numbers 23:19)

That's my understanding, Marty, and I'm sticking to it.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Zemirah wrote:

2 Corinthians 5:5-7
"And God has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come. Therefore we are always confident, although we know that while we are at home in the body, we are away from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight."

When a born-again believer dies, his soul goes immediately into the presence of the Lord. There, the soul consciously awaits the resurrection of the body. To the church at Philippi, Paul wrote from a Roman prison:

“For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you” (Philippians 1:21-24).

Paul speaks through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, - if the body and soul are never separated, but both lie in the ground, it would be impossible to be "absent from the body and present with the Lord."

If the soul sleeps in the grave with the body, why would Paul be torn between living and dying? Would he not want to live to minister as long as possible, rather than to choose to sleep in a grave, away from his Lord?

Much of what people believe about the soul or spirit doesn’t come from the Bible, There are those who believe in "soul sleep," meaning that when a person dies, his body and soul sleep together in the grave, awaiting the resurrection, but the soul is eternal, the soul never dies.

The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6 ), it does not mean literal sleep. The body sleeps. Verses That Challenge the Concept of Soul Sleep are: Genesis 35:18; Luke 16:19-31; Luke 23:43; John 11:25-26; 1 Peter 3:18-19.

Would the Holy Spirit misinform Paul in Holy Scripture?

"God is not man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not fulfill it?" (Numbers 23:19)

That's my understanding, Marty, and I'm sticking to it.

2 Corinthians 5:5-7 br "And God has prepared ... (show quote)

Thanks...
I also enjoyed this answer...
Appreciation...

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Canuckus Deploracus wrote:

Thanks...
I also enjoyed this answer...
Appreciation...

Good to know you're well, Canuckus.

Rose42

Zemirah wrote:

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Amen

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Rose42 wrote:

Amen

Good Morning, Rose. and Thank You.

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Zemirah wrote:

Good Morning, Marty.

"And God has prepared us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a pledge of what is to come. Therefore we are always confident, although we know that while we are at home in the body, we are away from the Lord. For we walk by faith, not by sight." (2nd Corinthians 5:5-7)

When a born-again believer dies, his soul goes immediately into the presence of the Lord. There, the soul consciously awaits the resurrection of the body. To the church at Philippi, Paul wrote from a Roman prison:

“For to me, to live is Christ, and to die is gain. But if I live on in the flesh, this will mean fruit from my labor; yet what I shall choose I cannot tell. For I am hard-pressed between the two, having a desire to depart and be with Christ, which is far better. Nevertheless to remain in the flesh is more needful for you” (Philippians 1:21-24).

Paul speaks through the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, - if the body and soul are never separated, but both lie in the ground, it would be impossible to be "absent from the body and present with the Lord."

If the soul sleeps in the grave with the body, why would Paul be torn between living and dying? Would he not want to live to minister as long as possible, rather than to choose to sleep in a grave, away from his Lord?

Much of what people believe about the soul or spirit doesn’t come from the Bible, There are those who believe in "soul sleep," meaning that when a person dies, his body and soul sleep together in the grave, awaiting the resurrection, but the soul is eternal, the soul never dies.

The concept of "soul sleep" is not biblical. When the Bible describes a person "sleeping" in relation to death ( Luke 8:52; 1 Corinthians 15:6 ), it does not mean literal sleep. The body sleeps. Verses that challenge the concept of soul sleep are: Genesis 35:18; Luke 16:19-31; Luke 23:43; John 11:25-26; 1 Peter 3:18-19.

Would the Holy Spirit misinform Paul in Holy Scripture?

"God is not man, that He should lie, or a son of man, that He should change His mind. Has He said, and will He not do it? Or has He spoken, and will He not fulfill it?" (Numbers 23:19)

That's my understanding, Marty, and I'm sticking to it.

Good Morning, Marty. br br "And God has prep... (show quote)

I’m on board with everything you just said.
But how aware is the soul of happenings back on earth? I understand the shucking of the old man when we are raptured, but Jesus is not actually present down here now, He’s sitting on the right side of the Father.
So, is Boehner cognizant of present day earth?

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Marty 2020 wrote:

I’m on board with everything you just said.
But how aware is the soul of happenings back on earth? I understand the shucking of the old man when we are raptured, but Jesus is not actually present down here now, He’s sitting on the right side of the Father.
So, is Boehner cognizant of present day earth?

Boehner was always interested in news and happenings while here on OPP. do you believe our personalities change, and we're no longer ourselves?

Luke 15:7, 10 reveals that angels are watching us from heaven, and know when people are saved.

... "there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." Luke 15:7

This suggests that all of heaven is watching us on earth. If angels can see what happens on earth, then believers, if interested, surely know.

Luke 9:30-31 provides a second reason that people in heaven may see us. The passage reveals that Jesus, Moses, and Elijah were talking about the future events that would occur on earth, when Moses and Elijah were on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus.

"And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem." Luke 9:30-31

Revelation 6:9-10 is another passage revealing the saints are watching us from heaven.

"When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Revelation 6:9-10

Here we are told the saints in heaven, during the tribulation, will ask when God will avenge their blood of those who had killed them while on the earth, indicating that they know what is happening on the earth.

Other passages also indicate that people in heaven see what is happening on earth. Two of these passages are 1 Samuel 28:8, 11-19 and Hebrews 11:39-12:1.

The word “cloud” in Hebrews 12:1 can also be translated as “mass” or “crowd.” There are clear statements and some that at least suggest that the saints in heaven are watching us.

Why would they not?

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Zemirah wrote:

Boehner was always interested in news and happenings while here on OPP. do you believe our personalities change, and we're no longer ourselves?

Luke 15:7, 10 reveals that angels are watching us from heaven, and know when people are saved.

... "there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." Luke 15:7

This suggests that all of heaven is watching us on earth. If angels can see what happens on earth, then believers, if interested, surely know.

Luke 9:30-31 provides a second reason that people in heaven may see us. The passage reveals that Jesus, Moses, and Elijah were talking about the future events that would occur on earth, when Moses and Elijah were on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus.

"And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem." Luke 9:30-31

Revelation 6:9-10 is another passage revealing the saints are watching us from heaven.

"When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Revelation 6:9-10

Here we are told the saints in heaven, during the tribulation, will ask when God will avenge their blood of those who had killed them while on the earth, indicating that they know what is happening on the earth.

Other passages also indicate that people in heaven see what is happening on earth. Two of these passages are 1 Samuel 28:8, 11-19 and Hebrews 11:39-12:1.

The word “cloud” in Hebrews 12:1 can also be translated as “mass” or “crowd.” There are clear statements and some that at least suggest that the saints in heaven are watching us.

Why would they not?

Boehner was always interested in news and happenin... (show quote)

Amen..
Well said🙏

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

Zemirah wrote:

Boehner was always interested in news and happenings while here on OPP. do you believe our personalities change, and we're no longer ourselves?

Luke 15:7, 10 reveals that angels are watching us from heaven, and know when people are saved.

... "there will be more joy in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who need no repentance." Luke 15:7

This suggests that all of heaven is watching us on earth. If angels can see what happens on earth, then believers, if interested, surely know.

Luke 9:30-31 provides a second reason that people in heaven may see us. The passage reveals that Jesus, Moses, and Elijah were talking about the future events that would occur on earth, when Moses and Elijah were on the Mount of Transfiguration with Jesus.

"And behold, two men were talking with Him; and they were Moses and Elijah, who, appearing in glory, were speaking of His departure which He was about to accomplish at Jerusalem." Luke 9:30-31

Revelation 6:9-10 is another passage revealing the saints are watching us from heaven.

"When the Lamb broke the fifth seal, I saw underneath the altar the souls of those who had been slain because of the word of God, and because of the testimony which they had maintained; and they cried out with a loud voice, saying, “How long, O Lord, holy and true, will You refrain from judging and avenging our blood on those who dwell on the earth?” Revelation 6:9-10

Here we are told the saints in heaven, during the tribulation, will ask when God will avenge their blood of those who had killed them while on the earth, indicating that they know what is happening on the earth.

Other passages also indicate that people in heaven see what is happening on earth. Two of these passages are 1 Samuel 28:8, 11-19 and Hebrews 11:39-12:1.

The word “cloud” in Hebrews 12:1 can also be translated as “mass” or “crowd.” There are clear statements and some that at least suggest that the saints in heaven are watching us.

Why would they not?

Boehner was always interested in news and happenin... (show quote)

All good points 👍
I will consider it all and get back to you 😇😇😇
Thankful am I, that people like you, spend time to explain how they perceive scripture. It’s a long process, this attaining perfection. Alas, I’m 65, so I’m 5-25 years away from it’s completion!