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Dec 28, 2014 06:02:56   #
UncleJesse Loc: Hazzard Co, GA
 
You have quoted the definition of a liberal education, which is to discard traditional thinking and reward opinion over correct answers. You have this backwards. Conservatives educate by learned sk**ls and knowledge, liberals educate by creative questioning. A book report by conservative educators grades on the accuracy of the story or reader comprehension; liberals grade on the opinion of the story or readers expression of a broadened viewpoint beyond what the author expressed.

CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, UJ.

Liberals only want students to regurgitate so-called "facts" they are told are correct. No L*****t-Liberal-Socialist-Progressive-Democrat wants people to think for themselves.

If you truly mean what you are saying, give me some examples.

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Dec 28, 2014 06:29:13   #
faithistheword
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the present American Education System.

On my first day of tutoring at the small rural high school just east of the Springs, I observed students staring blankly at both teacher and blackboard (whiteboard?).

Months later, these same students were outdoing each other in their eagerness to work problems on the board.

What happened?

That first day, I realized these children---adolescents---considered themselves unimportant, for the simple reason they felt their thoughts were unimportant.

So first I made sure they actually used their minds. I told them: "I don't want you to believe something is true just because I tell you it is true---I want you to see it AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IN YOUR OWN MIND." In other words, reason it through. And therefore question, always question, until you do understand. And never forget, I myself might be wrong.

I also told them: "If I make a mistake, be sure to tell me---don't let me continue on and make a complete fool of myself." And I deliberately made mistakes until they realized not only can Teacher sometimes be wrong, but that making mistakes wasn't going to k**l them.

And I quoted Lincoln: "Send me a man who is not afraid to make a fool out of himself".

Ultimately, they learned that their thoughts and their own unique thought processes were both significant and valuable, and it's okay to make mistakes, because if you are not making mistakes, you're not taking enough risks,---and without risk-taking there can be no progress, individually or socially.

And that is how the present American Education System have been graduating marching morons: by pressuring children to conform. That is one reason people no longer believe they, as individuals, have either significance or value. No matter what Bill Ayers wants the public to think about his educational regime.

Remember, it has a stronger and longer lasting effect if children AND adults THINK they came up with it all by themselves!
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the p... (show quote)




Oh, if only.....
The teachers coming out of college had professors like you...
If the Teachers' Union encouraged individual thinking...
If parents DEMANDED this kind of instruction...............

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Dec 28, 2014 06:54:36   #
Workinman Loc: Bayou Pigeon
 
PoppaGringo wrote:
They must be taught how to find the correct answers by themselves.


I agree, critical thinking and problem solving are much more important than being to regurgitate useless information.

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Dec 28, 2014 10:13:00   #
robert66
 
UncleJesse wrote:
You have quoted the definition of a liberal education, which is to discard traditional thinking and reward opinion over correct answers. You have this backwards. Conservatives educate by learned sk**ls and knowledge, liberals educate by creative questioning. A book report by conservative educators grades on the accuracy of the story or reader comprehension; liberals grade on the opinion of the story or readers expression of a broadened viewpoint beyond what the author expressed.


If we stuck with traditional thinking we would still be living in caves. The United States is the most advanced and powerful country in the history of the world because our citizens have chosen not to be shackled by traditional thinking. There is a place for tradition but it should not be the only place.

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Dec 28, 2014 11:26:58   #
skdvr1 Loc: Mexizonia
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Maybe I'm misunderstanding you, UJ.

Liberals only want students to regurgitate so-called "facts" they are told are correct. No L*****t-Liberal-Socialist-Progressive-Democrat wants people to think for themselves.

If you truly mean what you are saying, give me some examples.


I was thinking the problem with public education is much more complex in that in K-6 you'd want more structure and discipline while focussing on the basics. To accomplish that, you'd want a stable home environment for the young students and want to avoid politicizing the curriculum altogether. That might possibly conflict with the values being taught to them in the home.
Then, when the children have mastered the basics and have developed a strong moral character, largely due to their loving families, they can expand into History and Civics and the Arts in 7-12.
The focus in later education should be to advance a greater mastery of the sciences and the arts while encouraging critical, rational thought. Any Government input would then be seen for the agenda driven evil that it is.
Unfortunately, our current 'education' system is not much more than political brainwashing and has infiltrated the homes of the students in conflict with the parent(s) who is more likely than not also a product of the same government brainwashing.
The 60s were a pivotal time in American culture. The focus was on sex, drugs, and rock and roll, but the real damage was being done in the schools. Our current efforts to make these Government behemoth schools function as education camps can never succeed, no matter how much wealth we throw into it. Like the economy, race relations, and cultural distress, we cannot even have an honest conversation. Being a bigot is worse than being a despotic maniac or a l**ter in this fundamentally changed America. Education is central to this shift and it has nothing to do with Readin', Writen', and Rithmatic. It has much more to do with diversity training, income ine******y, school lunch and breakfast programs, the environment, and demonizing western excellence. Basically, School is now just another branch of Government.

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Dec 28, 2014 17:11:25   #
Gunny89 Loc: Southport, NC
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the present American Education System.

On my first day of tutoring at the small rural high school just east of the Springs, I observed students staring blankly at both teacher and blackboard (whiteboard?).

Months later, these same students were outdoing each other in their eagerness to work problems on the board.

What happened?

That first day, I realized these children---adolescents---considered themselves unimportant, for the simple reason they felt their thoughts were unimportant.

So first I made sure they actually used their minds. I told them: "I don't want you to believe something is true just because I tell you it is true---I want you to see it AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IN YOUR OWN MIND." In other words, reason it through. And therefore question, always question, until you do understand. And never forget, I myself might be wrong.

I also told them: "If I make a mistake, be sure to tell me---don't let me continue on and make a complete fool of myself." And I deliberately made mistakes until they realized not only can Teacher sometimes be wrong, but that making mistakes wasn't going to k**l them.

And I quoted Lincoln: "Send me a man who is not afraid to make a fool out of himself".

Ultimately, they learned that their thoughts and their own unique thought processes were both significant and valuable, and it's okay to make mistakes, because if you are not making mistakes, you're not taking enough risks,---and without risk-taking there can be no progress, individually or socially.

And that is how the present American Education System have been graduating marching morons: by pressuring children to conform. That is one reason people no longer believe they, as individuals, have either significance or value. No matter what Bill Ayers wants the public to think about his educational regime.

Remember, it has a stronger and longer lasting effect if children AND adults THINK they came up with it all by themselves!
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the p... (show quote)


BRAVO.... You are one of the few. We need more teachers like you. You need to send this out to all the educators. Good job....... :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup: :thumbup:

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Dec 28, 2014 21:15:54   #
johnson90
 
Don't tell to many people about this! They may send the feds after you if they think you are actually teaching the kids how to use their brain. You may be labeled a terrorist threat to the Socialist agenda that's being forced down everyone's throats! S

CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the present American Education System.

On my first day of tutoring at the small rural high school just east of the Springs, I observed students staring blankly at both teacher and blackboard (whiteboard?).

Months later, these same students were outdoing each other in their eagerness to work problems on the board.

What happened?

That first day, I realized these children---adolescents---considered themselves unimportant, for the simple reason they felt their thoughts were unimportant.

So first I made sure they actually used their minds. I told them: "I don't want you to believe something is true just because I tell you it is true---I want you to see it AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IN YOUR OWN MIND." In other words, reason it through. And therefore question, always question, until you do understand. And never forget, I myself might be wrong.

I also told them: "If I make a mistake, be sure to tell me---don't let me continue on and make a complete fool of myself." And I deliberately made mistakes until they realized not only can Teacher sometimes be wrong, but that making mistakes wasn't going to k**l them.

And I quoted Lincoln: "Send me a man who is not afraid to make a fool out of himself".

Ultimately, they learned that their thoughts and their own unique thought processes were both significant and valuable, and it's okay to make mistakes, because if you are not making mistakes, you're not taking enough risks,---and without risk-taking there can be no progress, individually or socially.

And that is how the present American Education System have been graduating marching morons: by pressuring children to conform. That is one reason people no longer believe they, as individuals, have either significance or value. No matter what Bill Ayers wants the public to think about his educational regime.

Remember, it has a stronger and longer lasting effect if children AND adults THINK they came up with it all by themselves!
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the p... (show quote)

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Dec 28, 2014 22:04:32   #
rolse
 
Richard Rowland wrote:
Makes sense too me!


It does to me too, and I left teaching high school math after four years when it was made clear to me that attempting to get students to think was not what was intended. Motivating students to ask questions became a very unpopular effort with both administrators and many of my fellow teachers. I then began to search out the reasons that education became compulsory in a nation that espoused the ideal of freedom. Freedom and compulsory didn't seem to be compatible to me. All this time there was the great clamor about our "failing" schools. I soon learned that the schools were NOT failing! They were doing exactly what they were designed and intended to do; make children stupid. We had copied the system first developed in Prussia to ensure that only the children of the ruling class would be educated. Others, with sufficient intellect were to be trained to be professionals and sk**led trades, and most to be obedient workers, soldiers, knowing just enough to be useful. Here, in the US, we have reached the point where many leave school knowing just enough to get along well when they get to prison.

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Dec 29, 2014 01:14:19   #
Al-ien
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the present American Education System.

On my first day of tutoring at the small rural high school just east of the Springs, I observed students staring blankly at both teacher and blackboard (whiteboard?).

Months later, these same students were outdoing each other in their eagerness to work problems on the board.

What happened?

That first day, I realized these children---adolescents---considered themselves unimportant, for the simple reason they felt their thoughts were unimportant.

So first I made sure they actually used their minds. I told them: "I don't want you to believe something is true just because I tell you it is true---I want you to see it AS YOU UNDERSTAND IT IN YOUR OWN MIND." In other words, reason it through. And therefore question, always question, until you do understand. And never forget, I myself might be wrong.

I also told them: "If I make a mistake, be sure to tell me---don't let me continue on and make a complete fool of myself." And I deliberately made mistakes until they realized not only can Teacher sometimes be wrong, but that making mistakes wasn't going to k**l them.

And I quoted Lincoln: "Send me a man who is not afraid to make a fool out of himself".

Ultimately, they learned that their thoughts and their own unique thought processes were both significant and valuable, and it's okay to make mistakes, because if you are not making mistakes, you're not taking enough risks,---and without risk-taking there can be no progress, individually or socially.

And that is how the present American Education System have been graduating marching morons: by pressuring children to conform. That is one reason people no longer believe they, as individuals, have either significance or value. No matter what Bill Ayers wants the public to think about his educational regime.

Remember, it has a stronger and longer lasting effect if children AND adults THINK they came up with it all by themselves!
Or how I came to discover what is wrong with the p... (show quote)





Isn't this one of the major things that Comon Core will deprive our children of?

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Dec 29, 2014 01:19:55   #
Al-ien
 
robert66 wrote:
You were doing good until you implied that Bill Ayers runs our education system or really all by himself , has sent the country into turmoil. You actually contradict yourself by saying it. First you seem to have realized that kids should think for themselves and then turn around and make the case that Bill Ayers has ruined the education system therefore you should just ignore that because there's nothing to see there. Maybe you're worried there is something to see there and that if you let them see it they won't do exactly as you would have them to and will form the exact opinions that you want them too. If you were truly a good teacher you could let them decide for themselves. You would hope that your influence would show them how to make the right choice for themselves rather than the one you want them to make.
You were doing good until you implied that Bill Ay... (show quote)



There you go, making an ass out of yourself again. Someone with intelligence speaks and than a jackass answers.

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Dec 29, 2014 15:07:43   #
johnson90
 
This guy (Robert) is about as stupid as stupid can get. I actually took the time to read all of his comment and I am now 100% positive that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life. You are correct! Someone post something that is intelligent and a jackass answered...You hit the nail on the head.

Al-ien wrote:
There you go, making an ass out of yourself again. Someone with intelligence speaks and than a jackass answers.

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Dec 29, 2014 15:20:41   #
robert66
 
johnson90 wrote:
This guy (Robert) is about as stupid as stupid can get. I actually took the time to read all of his comment and I am now 100% positive that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life. You are correct! Someone post something that is intelligent and a jackass answered...You hit the nail on the head.


If it took you five minutes you're definitely lacking some education yourself. Instead of calling names why don't you write what is stupid about my comment. I think you call names merely because you don't agree with it.

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Dec 29, 2014 16:35:46   #
johnson90
 
Nope! Not lacking in education here. I just simply know stupid when I see it. The original poster made some damn good points and had some great ways she/he dealt with the children she/he taught. Then you come in here defending some radical progressive liberal who is well known for his liberal education policies. This country use to be one of the top in education until we let you ignorant liberals destroy everything. AND if you deny that you are delusional as well. Look at the education system in the USA today??? and who made those changes?

robert66 wrote:
If it took you five minutes you're definitely lacking some education yourself. Instead of calling names why don't you write what is stupid about my comment. I think you call names merely because you don't agree with it.

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Dec 29, 2014 19:12:58   #
robert66
 
johnson90 wrote:
Nope! Not lacking in education here. I just simply know stupid when I see it. The original poster made some damn good points and had some great ways she/he dealt with the children she/he taught. Then you come in here defending some radical progressive liberal who is well known for his liberal education policies. This country use to be one of the top in education until we let you ignorant liberals destroy everything. AND if you deny that you are delusional as well. Look at the education system in the USA today??? and who made those changes?
Nope! Not lacking in education here. I just simply... (show quote)


I did not advocate for Ayers nor against him. Maybe you should check your education again or are you using yourself as an example of what the school system is lacking ?

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Dec 29, 2014 19:36:53   #
Nickolai
 
CarolSeer2016 wrote:
Bobbie, I didn't imply that Ayers is solely responsible for the degradation of the AES. However, if you choose to do your own research, you will discover that his views and statements on education have, in fact, infiltrated the system. You sound as if you don't know how he has impacted education in America.

But you are right in one sense, the "pressure to conform" started long before that spoiled brat Ayers, the c*******t with a little c, got his degrees in elementary education.
Bobbie, I didn't imply that Ayers is solely respo... (show quote)







Just because you would like to think Bill Ayers statements on education has infiltrated the system doesn't make it so.

If the systems fails to push a right wing agenda does that mean the system is run by Bill Ayers ?

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