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Dec 19, 2014 16:31:11   #
America Only Loc: From the right hand of God
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Paul,

I am Jewish so I practice commandments handed down long before Jesus walked the land. Big difference between how we are raised and the average pharisaical Christian of modern day. Don't get me wrong, I do have the greatest respect for real Christians. However, I do find the self proclaimed Christian to lacking in faith, tolerance, and just ignorant to the teachings of Jesus or the Commandments of God.


You need to pick up a Bible and read it before you go writing a check with your mouth that your BRAIN cannot cash.

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Dec 19, 2014 16:47:31   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
You of all people, one of the few that I saw as a real Christian ..... judging? Really? Perhaps I can refer you to Matthew 7:1 and the meaning of those words. &#924;&#8052; &#954;&#961;&#943;&#957;&#949;&#964;&#949; is t***slated a judge. Should you judge without knowledge, charity, or necessity.

I see your confusion, but I encourage you to judge charitably, make proper allowances for the frailties of your fellow human; be more ready to pity and pardon their faults. If you do show the love required, then both God and man will deal with you in the same manner. But, should you ignore love and kindness; force away mercy, then how will you then be judged for your own frailties? If you always put the worst construction on every thing that it will bear, and are not touched with the feeling of your brother’s infirmities, and show no mercy in the opinions you form of his character and actions, no mercy will be shown to you from any quarter; God will treat you as you deserve, in the just judgment he shall pass upon your actions, and the world will be sure to retaliate the injury. This was the lesson of Jesus. Leave the judging of another's soul and their sins to God. Distance yourself from sin and keep yourself holy. It is yourself that you can manage, not the actions, thoughts, or even the needs of others.

As I said to Paul, I can not support his life style. But, I will not pick up a stone against him. And I pray that you would not be able to do so either.


no propaganda please wrote:
Paul is homosexual is married to his "husband" and lives in San Francisco. He has always been very open in this respect, any one who has read many of his posts is well aware of that.

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Dec 19, 2014 16:48:09   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
Pennylynn wrote:
When you call me a "dummy" without knowing me, what exactly does that say about you? And, Paul P may or may not be gay...does not change what I wrote. If you are Christian and something offends you, then do something about it. Shooting the messenger does not change a nation's mindset. And unless you teach your children about your beliefs and why, then how are they to know if the world says it is okay? And my last question, did God pass away and leave you to be the judge of his creations? What would your Jesus say about the man? Not his sin, but about the man? Are you to be horrid to him because of his sexual orientation or are you to h**e the sin and love the sinner? Remember Jesus? He is the one who hung out with and taught the lowest and poorest of the people.... Would he have stoned Paul for posting a wake up call to Christians?. And one last thing.....if you are the shinning example of a Christian then I am glad that I am not....nor would I want to die and live forever with people of your caliber.
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Just what kind of a wake up call to Christian did Paul post by his insistence that Christians validate the same sex relationships of homosexuals as being good and moral and that their activities are not sinful? Yes, Jesus hung out with sinners, but not to validate and glorify their sins, but to help them to sin no more, and there is a difference. homosexual acts are sins, but so are heterosexual acts outside of marriage, and God will judge them accordingly. Because of activists the message that homosexual sex is good and proper and often better than heterosexual sex, because (according to the "progressives") it cannot overpopulate the world has been heard around the world, but that doesn't mean that is the message from God, just that by use of moral relativism man can be indoctrinated into taking the easy way out and saying what ever you want to do must be right because you want it.
As far as anger and hatred for any sinner, that is not how I interpret God's love. Years of working with children who are the victims of sexual abuse has taught me that the hatred of the predators often becomes hatred of the entire group the predator represents, so before you come down too hard on some men for their hatred of homosexual acts realize that you probably do not know what may be behind the hatred which could be because they were victims, had family or friends who were, or had a father or mother divorce the other parent so they could do same sex activity. I really dislike the hatred from both sides, but until you know "the rest of the story" perhaps instead you should reach out to those people the way you reach out to homosexuals.

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Dec 19, 2014 16:51:17   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you for the observation. I am sure that you are sincere in your beliefs.

America Only wrote:
You need to pick up a Bible and read it before you go writing a check with your mouth that your BRAIN cannot cash.

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Dec 19, 2014 16:59:43   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I do not see this the same way as you. I do not see it as promoting homosexuality, I see it as a belief system that is gathering support. I see it as a "in your face" fall back and look at how you trained your sons and daughter and they in turn is training theirs. If the message of Paul is okay with you, then you have done a fine job in raising your children. If you find it offensive, then change what and how you are teaching in the home. It is simple, society reflects the morals of home life. And until teachings in the home is changed, the public approval will continue.

no propaganda please wrote:
Just what kind of a wake up call to Christian did Paul post by his insistence that Christians validate the same sex relationships of homosexuals as being good and moral and that their activities are not sinful? Yes, Jesus hung out with sinners, but not to validate and glorify their sins, but to help them to sin no more, and there is a difference. homosexual acts are sins, but so are heterosexual acts outside of marriage, and God will judge them accordingly. Because of activists the message that homosexual sex is good and proper and often better than heterosexual sex, because (according to the "progressives") it cannot overpopulate the world has been heard around the world, but that doesn't mean that is the message from God, just that by use of moral relativism man can be indoctrinated into taking the easy way out and saying what ever you want to do must be right because you want it.
As far as anger and hatred for any sinner, that is not how I interpret God's love. Years of working with children who are the victims of sexual abuse has taught me that the hatred of the predators often becomes hatred of the entire group the predator represents, so before you come down too hard on some men for their hatred of homosexual acts realize that you probably do not know what may be behind the hatred which could be because they were victims, had family or friends who were, or had a father or mother divorce the other parent so they could do same sex activity. I really dislike the hatred from both sides, but until you know "the rest of the story" perhaps instead you should reach out to those people the way you reach out to homosexuals.
Just what kind of a wake up call to Christian did ... (show quote)

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Dec 19, 2014 17:00:55   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
PaulPisces wrote:
Many thanks Pennylynn. Although you and I disagree on some things, I can definitely say you seem to practice a form of Christianity much more aligned with the loving teachings of Christ than many on this site! I support you in that, and hope you keep it up.


Anyone who agrees with a f*g is automatically a good person to them,they spend their lives trying to justify their perverted lifestyle.no matter what people tell you,they think you are a pervert and always will,you will never change that.Live with other f*gs so you can all pretend you are normal even though deep down you know it's a lie.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:03:01   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
America Only wrote:
Sadly the teachings of Christ was VERY clear about homosexuality. You can twist that as much as you desire, but it is very clear....his teaching are NO GAYS! That means ALL GAYS not just some.


You need to do a little more Bible study AO. There are absolutely no comments attributed to Jesus anywhere in the Bible concerning homosexuality.

St. Paul, on the other hand, who was very much a lawyer and seems much more centered in Judaic law, did have a lot of unpleasant things to say about homosexuality, among other things in his letters to the Romans and Corinthians.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:05:14   #
PaulPisces Loc: San Francisco
 
Pennylynn wrote:
Paul,

I am Jewish so I practice commandments handed down long before Jesus walked the land. Big difference between how we are raised and the average pharisaical Christian of modern day. Don't get me wrong, I do have the greatest respect for real Christians. However, I do find the self proclaimed Christian to lacking in faith, tolerance, and just ignorant to the teachings of Jesus or the Commandments of God.


In that case, I wish you a very happy Hanukkah!

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Dec 19, 2014 17:11:27   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I can not argue with your logic. But, I see the logic of Jesus when he said not to judge to leave it to God. Not my job to judge, it is however commanded of me to treat all people well. Even Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbor and I do not recall him putting a caveat onto that teaching such as unless the neighbor is not perfect and live up to your standards.

Tell me.... do you think that God is going to listen to your recommendations when He judges others? If so, then you are much more important than I. In the end, I think I will be too busy accounting for my own short comings and will not have the time to explore yours with God.

But, this is only my opinion.

Hemiman wrote:
Anyone who agrees with a f*g is automatically a good person to them,they spend their lives trying to justify their perverted lifestyle.no matter what people tell you,they think you are a pervert and always will,you will never change that.Live with other f*gs so you can all pretend you are normal even though deep down you know it's a lie.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:12:11   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Thank you very much. And I wish you a very merry Christmas!

PaulPisces wrote:
In that case, I wish you a very happy Hanukkah!

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Dec 19, 2014 17:18:25   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
Paul, aka Saul....his teachings were his own. I can see that you too have studied. Those who follow the Pauline doctrine are not Christians as referred to the Nazarene, but rather the Christians that inhabited the coastline of Greece and Italy. Which was pagan and predated Jesus for over 400 years. I did a paper on him, interesting teachings and an interesting individual full of conflict and a self appointed apostle to the gentile..

PaulPisces wrote:
You need to do a little more Bible study AO. There are absolutely no comments attributed to Jesus anywhere in the Bible concerning homosexuality.

St. Paul, on the other hand, who was very much a lawyer and seems much more centered in Judaic law, did have a lot of unpleasant things to say about homosexuality, among other things in his letters to the Romans and Corinthians.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:22:31   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Pennylynn wrote:
I can not argue with your logic. But, I see the logic of Jesus when he said not to judge to leave it to God. Not my job to judge, it is however commanded of me to treat all people well. Even Jesus taught his followers to love their neighbor and I do not recall him putting a caveat onto that teaching such as unless the neighbor is not perfect and live up to your standards.

Tell me.... do you think that God is going to listen to your recommendations when He judges others? If so, then you are much more important than I. In the end, I think I will be too busy accounting for my own short comings and will not have the time to explore yours with God.

But, this is only my opinion.
I can not argue with your logic. But, I see the l... (show quote)


I never said anything about Jesus,one way or the other.
You feel all puffed up because you think you have taken the high road,all you are doing is helping to destroy our society by defending the homo's perverted lifestyle and your religious beliefs are going to be destroyed as well.A man or woman having sex with the same sex is wrong and there is no way to justify this perverse act.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:32:09   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
No... this has nothing to do with p***e or the high road. This is more about treating each person as a human. And you apparently stopped reading..... one can be civil and disagree. Paul and I established that fact from the start. I did not say that I support his life style.

Again, thank you for your comment and feedback, and as far as I am concerned, I will not judge Paul and I will not speak out against him.

Hemiman wrote:
I never said anything about Jesus,one way or the other.
You feel all puffed up because you think you have taken the high road,all you are doing is helping to destroy our society by defending the homo's perverted lifestyle and your religious beliefs are going to be destroyed as well.A man or woman having sex with the same sex is wrong and there is no way to justify this perverse act.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:44:31   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
Pennylynn wrote:
No... this has nothing to do with p***e or the high road. This is more about treating each person as a human. And you apparently stopped reading..... one can be civil and disagree. Paul and I established that fact from the start. I did not say that I support his life style.

Again, thank you for your comment and feedback, and as far as I am concerned, I will not judge Paul and I will not speak out against him.


That's what's wrong with this country people like you won't speak out,little comfort as the country slips into the devils playground.

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Dec 19, 2014 17:56:18   #
Boo_Boo Loc: Jellystone
 
I prepared a long response, but have decided not to post it.... I think it best to say politely that I do not agree with you; but I respect your right to voice your assumptions.


Hemiman wrote:
That's what's wrong with this country people like you won't speak out,little comfort as the country slips into the devils playground.

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