Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

No... Jehovah's are unitarians.. They don't believe Jesus is God...They believe he's the Messiah...

I was unaware that Jehovah's require work to enter heaven... Will check on that...

Neither JWs nor Mormons believe Christ is brother to Satan... Not sure that I've encountered a faith with that belief..

Although, they've both been referred to as "Lucifer", so perhaps some branch made a connection???

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

JW’s also believe that only 144,000 people get to heaven.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

Correct...
The rest reside on earth...

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Dunderheads! How severely is their judgement lacking, and their sense of taste, obviously, nonexistent!

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Lorenzo Snow, the Mormon (LDS) Church's fifth president, coined a well-known apostate couplet which reaffirms the serpent's lie in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:15) and mirrors Mormon founder, Joseph Smith's teaching on the subject:

"As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jesus, however, is God, and Satan is one of His creations. Jesus is God incarnate - eternal, all-knowing, and all-powerful, while Satan, once the most beautiful, most powerful angel God ever created, is now (because wanting to be God, he rebelled) a fallen angel thrown down to earth whom Jesus called "the [temporary] (little g) god of this world."

The teaching that Jesus and Satan are “spirit brothers” is one of the many false teachings of the Mormons (Latter-Day Saints) and, to some degree, is echoed by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Both of these groups are properly labeled as cults because they deny essential doctrines of Christianity. Although they (as do all cults) use such Christian terms as Jesus, God, and salvation, their views and teachings on the most basic and essential Christian doctrines label them heretical.

Arianism, in Christianity, is the Christological ('study of Christ') position that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God. It was proposed early 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius and denounced as a heresy by
the bishop St. Athanasius at the Council of Nicaea (325 A.D.).

Arianism is considered a form of Unitarian theology as it stresses God’s Oneness at the expense of the Trinity (doctrine that three distinct persons exist as One united Godhead). Arius’s basic premise was that because God is self-existent and immutable, the Son cannot be the self-existent and immutable God.

Athanasius correctly explained that Arius’s teaching would reduce the Son to a demigod, reintroduce polytheism, and undermine Christian redemption, since only He who was truly God could reconcile humanity to the Godhead.

The council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and issued a creed to safeguard “orthodox” Christian belief stating that the Son is homoousion tō Patri ("of one substance with the Father"), declaring Him to be all that the Father is: completely divine.

Mormons teach that Jesus Christ was the first “spirit child” born to God the Heavenly Father by cohabiting
(in a sexual relationship) with one of his many wives.

They believe Jesus became god, just as they will one day become gods. According to Mormon doctrine, as the first of the “spirit children” of God, Jesus had preeminence over Satan or Lucifer, who was the second “son of God” and the “spirit brother” of Jesus.

In cult like fashion, they use Colossians 1:15 as a "proof text," because it says that “[Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation," as they ignore the following verse 16 - “By [Christ] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth. Visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All Things were created through Him and for Him.”

All things - "thrones, dominions, principalities, or powers," however, by necessity - includes Satan and his demons.

Because the question of Mormonism considering Jesus and Satan to be brothers received intense attention while Mitt Romney was running for president in 2008, their teaching for public consumption on the subject has been considerably "toned down" since.

https://mormonchurch.com/587/do-mormons-believe-jesus-and-satan-are-brothers

[Quote]:"God created both Satan and Jesus, and in that respect, they are brothers. But in that respect, every person who ever lived is a brother or sister to every other person, because we are all children of God.
If we are all God’s children, then we are siblings to every child of God. It no more demeans Jesus to be Satan’s spirit brother than it does for any of us to be related to evil people who have lived on the earth."[Endquote]

Because the god revered by either the Mormons or Jehovah’s Witnesses is not the God who revealed Himself to us in Scripture, unless they repent (change), they are spiritually devoid of God's salvation through Jesus Christ.

Addendum: Mormonism (LDS) and Jehovah's Witnesses both retain and profess elements of ancient heretical
Arianism to this day. They worship "another" Jesus. (Galatians 1:8-9)

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

[quote=Zemirah] Lorenzo Snow, the Mormon (LDS) Church's fifth president, coined a well-known apostate couplet which reaffirms the serpent's lie in the Garden of Eden (Genesis 3:15) and mirrors Mormon founder, Joseph Smith's teaching on the subject:

"As man now is, God once was: As God now is, man may be."
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Jesus, however, is God, and Satan is one of His creations. Jesus is God incarnate - eternal, all-knowing, and all-powerful, while Satan, once the most beautiful, most powerful angel God ever created, is now (because wanting to be God, he rebelled) a fallen angel thrown down to earth whom Jesus called "the [temporary] (little g) god of this world."

The teaching that Jesus and Satan are “spirit brothers” is one of the many false teachings of the Mormons (Latter-Day Saints) and, to some degree, is echoed by Jehovah’s Witnesses. Both of these groups are properly labeled as cults because they deny essential doctrines of Christianity. Although they (as do all cults) use such Christian terms as Jesus, God, and salvation, their views and teachings on the most basic and essential Christian doctrines label them heretical.

Arianism, in Christianity, is the Christological ('study of Christ') position that Jesus, as the Son of God, was created by God. It was proposed early 4th century by the Alexandrian presbyter Arius and denounced as a heresy by
the bishop St. Athanasius at the Council of Nicaea (325 A.D.).

Arianism is considered a form of Unitarian theology as it stresses God’s Oneness at the expense of the Trinity (doctrine that three distinct persons exist as One united Godhead). Arius’s basic premise was that because God is self-existent and immutable, the Son cannot be the self-existent and immutable God.

Athanasius correctly explained that Arius’s teaching would reduce the Son to a demigod, reintroduce polytheism, and undermine Christian redemption, since only He who was truly God could reconcile humanity to the Godhead.

The council of Nicaea condemned Arius as a heretic and issued a creed to safeguard “orthodox” Christian belief stating that the Son is homoousion tō Patri ("of one substance with the Father"), declaring Him to be all that the Father is: completely divine.

Mormons teach that Jesus Christ was the first “spirit child” born to God the Heavenly Father by cohabiting
(in a sexual relationship) with one of his many wives.

They believe Jesus became god, just as they will one day become gods. According to Mormon doctrine, as the first of the “spirit children” of God, Jesus had preeminence over Satan or Lucifer, who was the second “son of God” and the “spirit brother” of Jesus.

In cult like fashion, they use Colossians 1:15 as a "proof text," because it says that “[Christ] is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation," as they ignore the following verse 16 - “By [Christ] all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth. Visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All Things were created through Him and for Him.”

All things - "thrones, dominions, principalities, or powers," however, by necessity - includes Satan and his demons.

Because the question of Mormonism considering Jesus and Satan to be brothers received intense attention while Mitt Romney was running for president in 2008, their teaching for public consumption on the subject has been considerably "toned down" since.

https://mormonchurch.com/587/do-mormons-believe-jesus-and-satan-are-brothers



Thank you for sifting through the mud of my post 🙏

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Mormon doctrine speaks out of both sides of its forked tongue, Canuckus.

The Mormon Church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or LDS) was founded in New York in 1830.

I addressed their belief that Jesus Christ and Lucifer/Satan are brothers in a previous post.

Mormonism offers a different Jesus, and a different God the Father, and a different plan of Salvation than that described in the Bible.

Mormonism is a fertility religion. For Mormons the ideal of salvation is to live forever as a family in the highest of the three heavens they believe to exist in "the celestial kingdom."

In the United States and Canada adherents of Mormonism historically have had and continue to have higher than average rates of childbearing. The high fertility of Mormons is not the result of their occupying positions in the social structure in which childbearing is high. There is something about Mormonism which influences childbearing, which cannot be accounted for by social and economic characteristics.

The Mormon pronatalist (encouraging an increased birthrate) theology centers around the concept of eternal families. Marriage and child rearing are viewed as a means of providing homes for God’s "seed children" now residing in heaven, waiting to be sent to earth, as a learning ground for spouses and parents, and for the formation of family bonds which will persist in the eternities. These ideals are embodied in marriage ceremonies performed in Mormon temples.

Mormonism teaches a created creature (called Jehovah) was originally born on earth to ensure that everybody gets a resurrection to one of the three levels of the kingdom, with only obedient, tithe-paying temple-sealed Mormon (LDS) people ascending to the highest level.

The founder of Mormonism, Joseph Smith, in 1844 taught that not only can human beings become like God, God was once a human being and later achieved his Godhood: “We have imagined and supposed that God was God from all eternity, I will refute that idea…he was once a man like us; yea, that God himself the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did…” Therefore, in like manner, “you have got to learn how to be Gods yourselves, and to be kings and priests to God, the same as all Gods have done before you…” (King Follett Discourse).

Joseph Smith’s prophetic successor, Brigham Young, explained in greater detail, “We are created, we are born for the express purpose of growing up from the low estate of manhood, to become Gods like unto our Father in heaven” (Journal of Discourses 3:93). Furthermore, “When they receive their crowns, their dominions, they then will be prepared to frame earth’s like unto ours and to people them in the same manner as we have been brought forth by our parents, by our Father and God” (Journal of Discourses 18:259).

LDS Church manuals have carried this doctrine forward, tying the human achievement of Godhood to the church’s unique practice of “celestial marriage.” Stating on page 1 that marriage is a “laboratory for godhood,” the church’s 1992 Achieving a Celestial Marriage Student Manual went on to teach:

“In the relationship of husband and wife and parent and child we begin to approach the divine calling of godhood. Our Heavenly Father and mother live in an exalted state because they achieved a celestial marriage. As we achieve a like marriage we shall become as they are and begin the creation of worlds for our own spirit children.” (65)

Gospel Fundamentals, a book published by the Mormon church in 2002 (and available on the church’s website) says, “To live in the highest part of the celestial kingdom is called exaltation or eternal life. To be able to live in this part of the celestial kingdom, people must have been married in the [Mormon] temple and must have kept the sacred promises they made in the temple. They will receive everything our Father in Heaven has and will become like Him. They will even be able to have spirit children and make new worlds for them to live on, and do all the things our Father in Heaven has done” (201).

The August 2020 issue of Ensign magazine includes two back-to-back articles that reference the LDS doctrine of human beings becoming like God. An apostle of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is quoted in “Seeing Yourself in the Great Plan of Happiness” by Seventy Brian K. Taylor:

“Our entire perspective of ourselves, our worth, and what we can make of our lives is altered for good when we come to understand that we are God’s children and that we can become like Him.” (quoted in Ensign, August 2020, 37)

On the following page Mr. Taylor explains that in reading the Book of Mormon he “was able to see further and understand more - that grace for grace, my Heavenly Father and my Savior would bless me to become even as They are…” (ibid. 38).

On page 39, an article headlined “He is the Way” (no author named) says, "Before we were born, Heavenly Father presented a plan for us to become like Him.” And on page 42, following a center-spread graphic, the article concludes, “By following Him, we can become like God and return to Him one day."

While it would be helpful for readers to know what it means to “become like God,” these modern articles tend to be watered down, and the only statement in these articles that even approaches a definition is in Mr. Taylor’s article when he writes, “…become even as They are - holy and full of joy forever!” (38). The Mormon doctrine of becoming like God surely is that, but includes so much more.

The LDS church published an online essay in 2014 titled “Becoming Like God” in which it is explained,
“Through the Atonement of Jesus Christ, all people may ‘progress toward perfection and ultimately realize their divine destiny.’ Just as a child can develop the attributes of his or her parents over time, the divine nature that humans inherit can be developed to become like their Heavenly Father’s.”

In order to get a fuller understanding of the LDS doctrine of becoming like God, or of developing one’s divine nature to become like Heavenly Father, it’s helpful to look at how this core teaching of Mormonism has been described by additional church authorities.

Beginning with LDS scripture, “[they] shall inherit thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, dominions, all heights and depths…and they shall pass by the angels, and the gods, which are set there, to their exaltation and glory in all things, as hath been sealed upon their heads, which glory shall be a fullness and a continuation of the seeds forever and ever. Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them.” (D&C 132:19-20)

Another church manual (also available on the LDS church’s website) includes a story about a visit to a kindergarten class made by the church’s fifth prophet, Lorenzo Snow. President Snow noted, “These children are now at play, making mud worlds, the time will come when some of these boys, through their faithfulness to the gospel, will progress and develop in knowledge, intelligence and power, in future eternities, until they shall be able to go out into space where there is unorganized matter and call together the necessary elements, and through their knowledge of and control over the laws and powers of nature, to organize matter into worlds on which their posterity may dwell, and over which they shall rule as gods” (Presidents of the Church Student Manual: Religion 345, 90-91, 2004).

According to the authoritative teachings of the LDS church, “becoming like God” is synonymous with “becoming a God.” It includes “growing up” from the lowliness of humanity to the achievement of the glory of Godhood. It includes inheriting “thrones, kingdoms, principalities, and powers, [and] dominions.” It includes “the [self-]creation of worlds for our own spirit children.” It includes ruling “as gods” over our worlds and our posterity. According to Mormonism, this is exactly the path our God has followed and exactly what He has achieved; human beings may follow in their Heavenly Father’s footsteps, becoming just as He is–becoming like God, becoming a God.

For a Mormon to achieve salvation they must do the following:

Believe in Jesus Christ.
Be baptized into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost through the laying on of hands by a person with priesthood authority.
Endure the tests of their life on earth.
Follow the teachings of Christ and his Apostles.
Keep God's commandments.
Repent of their sins.
Undo any wrongs they commit.
Treat other people in the way they want to be treated.
To reach the highest level of glory, a person must have also been sealed in an eternal marriage in a Mormon temple.

The Fall of Man is the term used to describe the "misbehavior" of Adam and Eve, and their eviction from the Garden of Eden.

Mormons believe that eating the forbidden fruit was not wrong in itself but was a transgression of God's instructions (failing to understand that disobedience to God is the very definition of sin).

However Mormons also believe that the Fall was a necessary part of God's plan, that it was necessary for human beings to achieve exaltation (to become gods).

This is because human beings have to go through bodily life on earth as part of their spiritual development, and if Adam and Eve had not "fallen" this would not happen.

"The Lord never intended that we should partake of the tree of life and thereby gain full access to perfecting grace before we had stumbled and groped to learn all we can from the disappointments and surprises of this vale of tears." Elder Bruce C. Hafen

That's why Mormons hold Adam and Eve in high regard, unlike other Christians, because if they had not fallen, they believe the whole plan of salvation would have been frustrated.

In this plan the spirit "seed children" of God are sent to earth to have a body in which they learn to obey God's laws, get baptized, resist the temptations of the world, repent of their sins, and live the most Christ-like lives that they can (according to the rules of the Mormon church).

At the end of their lives they are judged by God and given a place in heaven that is appropriate for the quality of life they have lived.

The role of Jesus

Because Jesus died on the cross was buried and rose on the third day, everybody, no matter what their beliefs or righteousness, will be resurrected. Mormons believe that Jesus Christ has given everyone this gift of resurrection, no matter who they are or how badly they may have behaved.

But not everyone gets eternal life with God. That is only given to those who comply with the conditions that are part of the plan of salvation.

The two types of salvation

Mormons believe that they, like other Christians, have received grace because of Jesus' death and atonement. Mormons also believe that they have to earn their own forgiveness for their personal sins.

They believe in a further type of individual salvation - called 'exaltation' - through which human beings grow to become gods. An individual achieves this type of salvation through their own exemplary effort.

What you need to do to be saved is learn the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ (as revealed by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints), and to faithfully, obediently live it.

Christ took the punishment, paid the price and all human beings receive resurrection and eternal life.

The atonement however is conditional, giving everyone eternal life, but people are freed from their own personal sins only through their own good works.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Thus says Mormonism, - all of the above, - however, they believe a lie...

Acts 10:43
Of Him all the prophets bear witness that through His name everyone who believes in Him receives forgiveness of sins.” [period]

"I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God." (Isaiah 45:5)

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Your post is exemplary, Marty.

You speak God's truth in a concise, succinct manner.

Succinctness is a virtue I have never achieved.

This is my first opportunity to so engage since May, and is thoroughly enjoyable.

We are now forecast to have three successive 99 degree temperature days.

Is it greedy to pray the air conditioning doesn't fail?

Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia

I’ll pray for your AC!
And I’ve heard that today’s lds believe they are the descendants of the Native American Indians who in turn are the descendants of the lost tribes of Israel. Silly since the Judah was not one of the lost tribes, and Jesus was from the tribe of Judah. But, the Antichrist may come from Dan?!

Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...

Thank you, Marty,

The Northern Ten Tribes were never really "lost" to the Jews of Palestine in a geographical sense. While all people on earth (whether Israelites or Gentiles) have been spiritually "lost" until they believe and accept the sacrifice of Christ for their sins (Matthew 10:6; Romans 5:12), all the twelve tribes of Israel were very much in evidence to the people of Jerusalem in the 1st century.

The Bible and history make it clear that the Northern Ten Tribes of Israel were never lost sight of by the Jews of Judea, or the other Israelite tribal remnants who remained in Palestine. It is time for the misinformed to discontinue claiming that the Celts, Angles, Saxons and Scandinavian peoples are the literal descendants of those Northern Ten Tribes of Israel.

The New Testament shows that members of all twelve tribes of Israel were well known to Christ and the apostles in the 1st century. In no way does it indicate that the peoples of northern and northwestern Europe (then in the practice of utter heathenism) were descendants of the twelve tribes of Israel.

In the writings of James, a son of Joseph and Mary born after the birth of Christ, James knew where the members of the twelve tribes of Israel were in the 1st century and he addressed his letter to them. "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes scattered abroad, greeting" (James 1:1).

The contents of James' letter tells much about these twelves tribes of Israel. Instead of being wild and barbarous heathen tribes of Celts and Germanic peoples, these twelve tribes of James were attending synagogues (synagogue services were conducted on the seventh day Sabbath) (James 2:2 - the word translated as "assembly" in the King James Version is "synagogue,") the official meeting place that Jews attended throughout the world.

So familiar were these twelve tribes with "the scripture" (the Old Testament) that James simply referred to the Holy Scripture as authority without once having to define it to those twelve tribes who were scattered away from Jerusalem.

Their primary residences were in regions that allowed James to use spiritual illustrations concerning fig and olive trees with which they were well familiar (these people of the twelve tribes of Israel lived primarily within a Mediterranean environment - not in the cold and inhospitable areas of Northern Europe that knew nothing of fig or olive trees) (James 3:12).

The apostle Paul was also quite knowledgeable of their whereabouts. When Paul was being tried in judgment before Festus and King Agrippa, he stated that he had lived the life of a strict Pharisee. "And now I stand and am judged for the hope of the promise made of God unto our fathers: unto which promise our twelve tribes, instantly serving God day and night, hope to come" (Acts 26:6,7).

As clear as Paul could make it, he stated that "Israel" (all Israel, representatives of all twelve tribes) were in the 1st century trying to establish their own righteousness by obedience to the Law of Moses. The subject of Romans chapters nine, ten and eleven is Israel's attachment to the Law of Moses for their salvation.

Both the apostle Paul and James (head of the ekklesia /congregation in Jerusalem) were well aware in the 1st century of the geographical location of the peoples of the Northern Ten Tribes of Israel at that time. They were living north and east of Jerusalem. Josephus, Jewish priest and famed historian of the first century, stated that the Northern Ten Tribes were in no way "lost." "There are two tribes in Asia and Europe subject to the Romans, while until now there have been ten tribes beyond the Euphrates who number into the countless myriads with numbers that cannot be ascertained" (Antiquities XI. 133).

Those Ten Tribes of Israel on the other side of the Euphrates were written about by the prophet Ezekiel 150 years after their captivity by the Assyrians. Many of the prophecies about Jerusalem and the Land of Palestine were directed to these Ten Tribes of the House of Israel. God told Ezekiel: "Get thee unto the House of Israel, and speak my words unto them. For thou art not sent to a people of a strange speech [they spoke Hebrew] and of an hard language, but to the House of Israel; not to many people of a strange [foreign] speech and of an hard language, whose words thou can not understand" (Ezekiel 3:4-6).

These people of the House of Israel were well acquainted with the Sabbath, the holy days and the judgments and statutes of Moses (Ezekiel 20) and throughout the Book of Ezekiel he shows these Ten Tribes were very much interested in Jerusalem and what was happening in Palestine. These tribes were not "lost" in a geographical sense.

Revelation 7:4–8 lists 144,000 “sealed” or protected servants of God who will minister during the tribulation of the end times. The sealed comprise 12,000 individuals from each of the twelve tribes of Israel: Judah, Reuben, Gad, Asher, Naphtali, Manasseh, Simeon, Levi, Issachar, Zebulun, Joseph, and Benjamin, but it is not the same list as found in Joshua 13 - 22. The tribe of Dan is not listed; in its place is Manasseh, one of the two tribes descended from Joseph.

The Bible does not specify why the tribe of Dan is excluded from the list of the twelve tribes in Revelation 7. Jesus was from Judah, Paul was from Benjamin, Anna was from Asher, and John the Baptist was a Levite, but, after the Diaspora in AD 70, because of the destruction of the Jerusalem temple and its records, identifying the tribe of any given Jew had been made difficult.

The dismal history of the tribe of Dan possibly explains why Dan's name is missing from the list of sealed tribes in Revelation. Judges 18:1–31 tells the story of the people of Dan falling into gross idolatry. The Danites disliked the territory allotted to them near the Mediterranean Sea, as the Amorites and Philistines gave them trouble, so they sent out spies to locate a more desirable area. In the north, the Danites learned of an area inhabited by a peaceful group of people, whom the Danites proceeded to eliminate; they then moved their entire tribe north to that region, just south of modern-day Lebanon, establishing their main city there, to be known as Dan.

Later, in the divided kingdom, the people of Dan formed part of the northern kingdom of Israel. King Jeroboam I established two pagan worship centers, one in Bethel and one in Dan (1st Kings 12:25–33). This idolatrous man-made worship at Dan, centered on a golden calf, became one of Dan’s unfortunate lasting legacies.

Commentators through the centuries have proposed these historical reasons for the tribe of Dan's exclusion from the list of tribes:

• Dan’s historical embrace of idolatry and immorality leads to a disqualification for service during the end times.

• The Antichrist will come from the tribe of Dan (based on certain readings of Genesis 49:17; Deuteronomy 33:22; and Jeremiah 8:16).

• By the time of Solomon, the tribe of Dan had assimilated with the neighboring Canaanite Phoenicians (as 2nd Chronicles 2:14 hints) and so lost their national identity.

• The tribe of Dan, once the second-most populous tribe, declined in numbers and influence until, by Ezra’s time, it had been totally wiped out. This is believed to explain why Dan is not listed among the tribes in 1st Chronicles 4 - 7 or in Revelation 7.

Commentators through the centuries have proposed the following reasons for why the tribe of Dan is not included in the list:

Dan’s historical embrace of idolatry and immorality leads to a disqualification for service during the end times.

The Antichrist will come from the tribe of Dan (Genesis 49:17; Deuteronomy 33:22; and Jeremiah 8:16).

By the time of Solomon, the tribe of Dan had assimilated with the neighboring Phoenicians (as 2nd Chronicles 2:14 suggests) and so lost their national identity.

The tribe of Dan, once the second-most populous tribe, declined in numbers and influence until, by Ezra’s time, it had been totally wiped out. This would explain why Dan is not listed among the tribes, either in 1st Chronicles 4 - 7 or in Revelation 7.

Dan’s historical embrace of idolatry and immorality precipitated a disqualification for service during the end times.

The Antichrist will be a descendant of the tribe of Dan (Genesis 49:17; Deuteronomy 33:22; and Jeremiah 8:16),

By the time of Solomon, the tribe of Dan had assimilated (2nd Chronicles 2:14) with the neighboring Phoenicians, who were the coast dwelling, sea-going Canaanites, and had, accordingly, lost their national identity.

The tribe of Dan, originally the second most populous tribe, declined in numbers and influence until, by Ezra’s time, it had no known surviving members, explaining why Dan is not listed among the tribes in 1st Chronicles 4:7 or in Revelation 7.

During the tribulation, when most of the world will be following the Antichrist, 144,000 Jews will be sealed by God -
12,000 from each tribe - for special service, as God has kept track of the tribes, and He knows the identity and location of each of them. The sealed tribes in the end times include Manasseh and Ephraim (under Joseph’s name), rather than Dan.

Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall

That's what I said