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Aug 15, 2023 20:43:35   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-verses-used-to-justify-terrible-atrocities/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct

I found it interesting that Christianity was quoted more than the others combined...

I also found it interesting that certain religions weren't touched upon...

I realize that making a list of ten is somewhat limiting, and that Ethnocentrism played a large role in the list's creation, yet still, several of the examples were obviously taken from fringes minority groups....

The point???

How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???🤔🤔🤔

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Aug 16, 2023 10:21:14   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-verses-used-to-justify-terrible-atrocities/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct

I found it interesting that Christianity was quoted more than the others combined...

I also found it interesting that certain religions weren't touched upon...

I realize that making a list of ten is somewhat limiting, and that Ethnocentrism played a large role in the list's creation, yet still, several of the examples were obviously taken from fringes minority groups....

The point???

How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???🤔🤔🤔
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-vers... (show quote)


The trouble with being only human is that we cannot judge our motives properly. Self is what we Christians are told to die to. God in his wisdom, can in fact judge our motives because He can see our heart!
The other examples are of a heathen religion and therefore of Satan, so is to be expected.

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Aug 21, 2023 09:39:10   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Hi, Canuckus,

Have you checked out Alan Boyle, the author of this verse-list of ten religious verses you are referencing? He claims no expertise in religion(s). He just loves to compose lists.

ListVerse
Religion | March 20, 2014
10 Religious Verses Used To Justify Terrible Atrocities
by Alan Boyle

Quote: Author: Alan Boyle
"Science writer Alan Boyle is the creator of Cosmic Log, a veteran of MSNBC.com and NBC News Digital, and the author of "The Case for Pluto." He's based in Seattle, but the cosmos is his home."EndQuote

If someone is seeking a definitive excuse on which to hang their hat after committing an atrocity which they desired in their heart to commit, religion is always glaringly available, and even more popular than "the devil made me do it."

Racial prejudice is sin in the eyes of God, and the Bible can not accurately be used to defend it. God is spirit and does not have "color" in a human and earthly sense. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that people are excluded from God’s saving grace on the basis of their ethnic origin or skin color. God does "not want anyone to perish" (2nd Peter 3:9). Jesus is the Savior of all peoples who are willing to believe and accept God's freely offered gift of salvation.

Ham, the son of Noah, used in the misinterpretation of Scripture below, is a good example of blithering Biblical ignorance on the part of the pastor being quoted. The man has chosen to be a racist and is trying to hold God responsible, although God didn't curse either Ham or Canaan, Noah did, and the curse was on Canaan, not Ham, however, race had nothing to do with it.

Quote:Even today, the story of Ham is still quoted by those who believe in racial segregation. The pastor of Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas wrote on his website in 2013 that “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan.” He said that God is a separator rather than a mixer, and interracial marriages are the work of the devil.EndQuote

Ham, became the founder of some groups that settled in Africa, although most of his descendants settled elsewhere, including Babylonia and Assyria in the Middle East. (The list of nations descended from Noah’s sons appears in the tenth chapter of Genesis.)

Ham, according to the Table of Nations in the Book of Genesis, was the second son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. The curse was not on Ham; it was only on his son, Canaan (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was not the founder of any African nation or race; his descendants settled only in the Middle East.

"Canaanites" served as an ethnic catch-all term in referencing the various indigenous populations completely ignoring their race, religion and cultural differences - both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups - throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan. It is the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Not all, if any, were black.

As for interracial marriage being the "work of the devil," Solomon's Old Testament book, "Song of Songs, in which the beauty and joy of marital sex is extolled, celebrates the love between a beautiful black bride and a ruddy (red haired) groom, for Solomon had red hair, as did his father, King David.

There is no racism in the Bible.

Your question, "How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???" is too complicated for me, as it seems to me to be rhetorically asking the same thing twice?


Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-verses-used-to-justify-terrible-atrocities/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct

I found it interesting that Christianity was quoted more than the others combined...

I also found it interesting that certain religions weren't touched upon...

I realize that making a list of ten is somewhat limiting, and that Ethnocentrism played a large role in the list's creation, yet still, several of the examples were obviously taken from fringes minority groups....

The point???

How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???🤔🤔🤔
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-vers... (show quote)

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Aug 21, 2023 10:33:54   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi, Canuckus,

Have you checked out Alan Boyle, the author of this verse-list of ten religious verses you are referencing? He claims no expertise in religion(s). He just loves to compose lists.

ListVerse
Religion | March 20, 2014
10 Religious Verses Used To Justify Terrible Atrocities
by Alan Boyle

Quote: Author: Alan Boyle
"Science writer Alan Boyle is the creator of Cosmic Log, a veteran of MSNBC.com and NBC News Digital, and the author of "The Case for Pluto." He's based in Seattle, but the cosmos is his home."EndQuote

If someone is seeking a definitive excuse on which to hang their hat after committing an atrocity which they desired in their heart to commit, religion is always glaringly available, and even more popular than "the devil made me do it."

Racial prejudice is sin in the eyes of God, and the Bible can not accurately be used to defend it. God is spirit and does not have "color" in a human and earthly sense. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that people are excluded from God’s saving grace on the basis of their ethnic origin or skin color. God does "not want anyone to perish" (2nd Peter 3:9). Jesus is the Savior of all peoples who are willing to believe and accept God's freely offered gift of salvation.

Ham, the son of Noah, used in the misinterpretation of Scripture below, is a good example of blithering Biblical ignorance on the part of the pastor being quoted. The man has chosen to be a racist and is trying to hold God responsible, although God didn't curse either Ham or Canaan, Noah did, and the curse was on Canaan, not Ham, however, race had nothing to do with it.

Quote:Even today, the story of Ham is still quoted by those who believe in racial segregation. The pastor of Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas wrote on his website in 2013 that “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan.” He said that God is a separator rather than a mixer, and interracial marriages are the work of the devil.EndQuote

Ham, became the founder of some groups that settled in Africa, although most of his descendants settled elsewhere, including Babylonia and Assyria in the Middle East. (The list of nations descended from Noah’s sons appears in the tenth chapter of Genesis.)

Ham, according to the Table of Nations in the Book of Genesis, was the second son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. The curse was not on Ham; it was only on his son, Canaan (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was not the founder of any African nation or race; his descendants settled only in the Middle East.

"Canaanites" served as an ethnic catch-all term in referencing the various indigenous populations completely ignoring their race, religion and cultural differences - both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups - throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan. It is the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Not all, if any, were black.

As for interracial marriage being the "work of the devil," Solomon's Old Testament book, "Song of Songs, in which the beauty and joy of marital sex is extolled, celebrates the love between a beautiful black bride and a ruddy (red haired) groom, for Solomon had red hair, as did his father, King David.

There is no racism in the Bible.

Your question, "How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???" is too complicated for me, as it seems to me to be rhetorically asking the same thing twice?
Hi, Canuckus, br br Have you checked out Alan Boy... (show quote)


Hi Z,
As always, a thorough review.

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Aug 21, 2023 11:41:28   #
Rose42
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-verses-used-to-justify-terrible-atrocities/?utm_source=more&utm_medium=link&utm_campaign=direct

I found it interesting that Christianity was quoted more than the others combined...

I also found it interesting that certain religions weren't touched upon...

I realize that making a list of ten is somewhat limiting, and that Ethnocentrism played a large role in the list's creation, yet still, several of the examples were obviously taken from fringes minority groups....

The point???

How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???🤔🤔🤔
https://listverse.com/2014/03/20/10-religious-vers... (show quote)


People often misapply scripture. We’ve all done it at times. The Westboro Baptist Church does it to claim God hates homosexuals, people here have tried usinf Matthew 25 to claim Jesus was a liberal, there is a site that uses quotes from the bible to claim the bible is evil.

There are many examples of taking verses out of context with arguably the most popular being ‘judge not…’.

We have to be careful to not cherry pick to suit ourselves

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Aug 21, 2023 12:21:23   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Rose42 wrote:
People often misapply scripture. We’ve all done it at times. The Westboro Baptist Church does it to claim God hates homosexuals, people here have tried usinf Matthew 25 to claim Jesus was a liberal, there is a site that uses quotes from the bible to claim the bible is evil.

There are many examples of taking verses out of context with arguably the most popular being ‘judge not…’.

We have to be careful to not cherry pick to suit ourselves

I can’t wait until I get to judge angels! Of course I’ll really be perfect then 😇😇😇

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Aug 21, 2023 13:33:48   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
I can’t wait until I get to judge angels! Of course I’ll really be perfect then 😇😇😇

WHAAT? Are you saying you aren't?

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Aug 21, 2023 13:37:47   #
Zemirah Loc: Sojourner En Route...
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Hi Z,
As always, a thorough review.


Thanks, Marty,

It would be more thorough if I had discussed the Muslims and the Qur'an in comparison (there is no comparison) with God's Holy Word.

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Aug 21, 2023 14:01:26   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Zemirah wrote:
WHAAT? Are you saying you aren't?


😂😂😂😂😂

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Aug 21, 2023 14:02:54   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Zemirah wrote:
Thanks, Marty,

It would be more thorough if I had discussed the Muslims and the Qur'an in comparison (there is no comparison) with God's Holy Word.


They’re just cults anyway along with their cousins the Mormons and jehova witnesses! Totally different Jesus!

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Aug 21, 2023 20:41:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi, Canuckus,

Have you checked out Alan Boyle, the author of this verse-list of ten religious verses you are referencing? He claims no expertise in religion(s). He just loves to compose lists.

ListVerse
Religion | March 20, 2014
10 Religious Verses Used To Justify Terrible Atrocities
by Alan Boyle

Quote: Author: Alan Boyle
"Science writer Alan Boyle is the creator of Cosmic Log, a veteran of MSNBC.com and NBC News Digital, and the author of "The Case for Pluto." He's based in Seattle, but the cosmos is his home."EndQuote

If someone is seeking a definitive excuse on which to hang their hat after committing an atrocity which they desired in their heart to commit, religion is always glaringly available, and even more popular than "the devil made me do it."

Racial prejudice is sin in the eyes of God, and the Bible can not accurately be used to defend it. God is spirit and does not have "color" in a human and earthly sense. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that people are excluded from God’s saving grace on the basis of their ethnic origin or skin color. God does "not want anyone to perish" (2nd Peter 3:9). Jesus is the Savior of all peoples who are willing to believe and accept God's freely offered gift of salvation.

Ham, the son of Noah, used in the misinterpretation of Scripture below, is a good example of blithering Biblical ignorance on the part of the pastor being quoted. The man has chosen to be a racist and is trying to hold God responsible, although God didn't curse either Ham or Canaan, Noah did, and the curse was on Canaan, not Ham, however, race had nothing to do with it.

Quote:Even today, the story of Ham is still quoted by those who believe in racial segregation. The pastor of Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas wrote on his website in 2013 that “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan.” He said that God is a separator rather than a mixer, and interracial marriages are the work of the devil.EndQuote

Ham, became the founder of some groups that settled in Africa, although most of his descendants settled elsewhere, including Babylonia and Assyria in the Middle East. (The list of nations descended from Noah’s sons appears in the tenth chapter of Genesis.)

Ham, according to the Table of Nations in the Book of Genesis, was the second son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. The curse was not on Ham; it was only on his son, Canaan (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was not the founder of any African nation or race; his descendants settled only in the Middle East.

"Canaanites" served as an ethnic catch-all term in referencing the various indigenous populations completely ignoring their race, religion and cultural differences - both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups - throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan. It is the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Not all, if any, were black.

As for interracial marriage being the "work of the devil," Solomon's Old Testament book, "Song of Songs, in which the beauty and joy of marital sex is extolled, celebrates the love between a beautiful black bride and a ruddy (red haired) groom, for Solomon had red hair, as did his father, King David.

There is no racism in the Bible.

Your question, "How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???" is too complicated for me, as it seems to me to be rhetorically asking the same thing twice?
Hi, Canuckus, br br Have you checked out Alan Boy... (show quote)


Excellent review...
Perhaps I could have been clearer concerning my question...
I was attempting to highlight that people have a tendency to justify their actions by interpreting scripture to support them, rather than adjusting their actions and habits to properly follow scripture

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Aug 21, 2023 20:43:28   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Zemirah wrote:
Hi, Canuckus,

Have you checked out Alan Boyle, the author of this verse-list of ten religious verses you are referencing? He claims no expertise in religion(s). He just loves to compose lists.

ListVerse
Religion | March 20, 2014
10 Religious Verses Used To Justify Terrible Atrocities
by Alan Boyle

Quote: Author: Alan Boyle
"Science writer Alan Boyle is the creator of Cosmic Log, a veteran of MSNBC.com and NBC News Digital, and the author of "The Case for Pluto." He's based in Seattle, but the cosmos is his home."EndQuote

If someone is seeking a definitive excuse on which to hang their hat after committing an atrocity which they desired in their heart to commit, religion is always glaringly available, and even more popular than "the devil made me do it."

Racial prejudice is sin in the eyes of God, and the Bible can not accurately be used to defend it. God is spirit and does not have "color" in a human and earthly sense. There is nothing in the Scriptures to indicate that people are excluded from God’s saving grace on the basis of their ethnic origin or skin color. God does "not want anyone to perish" (2nd Peter 3:9). Jesus is the Savior of all peoples who are willing to believe and accept God's freely offered gift of salvation.

Ham, the son of Noah, used in the misinterpretation of Scripture below, is a good example of blithering Biblical ignorance on the part of the pastor being quoted. The man has chosen to be a racist and is trying to hold God responsible, although God didn't curse either Ham or Canaan, Noah did, and the curse was on Canaan, not Ham, however, race had nothing to do with it.

Quote:Even today, the story of Ham is still quoted by those who believe in racial segregation. The pastor of Appleby Baptist Church in Nacogdoches, Texas wrote on his website in 2013 that “the proof of the presence of God among the Israelites was the absence of the black skinned folk of Canaan.” He said that God is a separator rather than a mixer, and interracial marriages are the work of the devil.EndQuote

Ham, became the founder of some groups that settled in Africa, although most of his descendants settled elsewhere, including Babylonia and Assyria in the Middle East. (The list of nations descended from Noah’s sons appears in the tenth chapter of Genesis.)

Ham, according to the Table of Nations in the Book of Genesis, was the second son of Noah and the father of Cush, Mizraim, Phut and Canaan. The curse was not on Ham; it was only on his son, Canaan (Genesis 9:25). Canaan was not the founder of any African nation or race; his descendants settled only in the Middle East.

"Canaanites" served as an ethnic catch-all term in referencing the various indigenous populations completely ignoring their race, religion and cultural differences - both settled and nomadic-pastoral groups - throughout the regions of the southern Levant or Canaan. It is the most frequently used ethnic term in the Bible. Not all, if any, were black.

As for interracial marriage being the "work of the devil," Solomon's Old Testament book, "Song of Songs, in which the beauty and joy of marital sex is extolled, celebrates the love between a beautiful black bride and a ruddy (red haired) groom, for Solomon had red hair, as did his father, King David.

There is no racism in the Bible.

Your question, "How often do we use scripture to justify actions, rather than justifying our actions through scripture???" is too complicated for me, as it seems to me to be rhetorically asking the same thing twice?
Hi, Canuckus, br br Have you checked out Alan Boy... (show quote)


Most of Listverse's writers are laymen when it comes to the topics...
I enjoy the site for leisure reading..
But I would never claim it as a source in a serious discussion..
(of course I'm mildly biased because they rejected a list I made for them...)

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Aug 21, 2023 20:43:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Rose42 wrote:
People often misapply scripture. We’ve all done it at times. The Westboro Baptist Church does it to claim God hates homosexuals, people here have tried usinf Matthew 25 to claim Jesus was a liberal, there is a site that uses quotes from the bible to claim the bible is evil.

There are many examples of taking verses out of context with arguably the most popular being ‘judge not…’.

We have to be careful to not cherry pick to suit ourselves


Agreed

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Aug 21, 2023 20:44:53   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
They’re just cults anyway along with their cousins the Mormons and jehova witnesses! Totally different Jesus!


It's my understanding that JWs follow the same scripture as other Christian denominations...

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Aug 21, 2023 22:33:15   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
It's my understanding that JWs follow the same scripture as other Christian denominations...


Not in John 1. They give Jesus a little g. He’s just a god. Either them or Mormons believe Jesus is a brother to Satan, the other labels Him just a prophet.
Both require works to get to heaven, not grace.

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