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Dec 4, 2014 13:18:27   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
Actually he was incorrect. The point I was originally making was that in the "good ole days" it was common for men to be tyrants at home and it was accepted and condoned by society. If you beat your wife to a pulp then she just put on more makeup, some sunglasses, and all was okay. This was generally passed father to son so in a sense I was "saved" when my mother broke the cycle before my father could influence me. I have no "rage" for my father because you can't have anger for someone you never knew. It's a common myth amongst CC's that the past was better than the present but only because they don't really examine what the past consisted of. We lived in a world where we either ignored or hid the ugliness so often the reality was more grotesque than exists today. The same horrors of today existed in the past we simply pretended not to notice. Women had a******ns, men beat wives, spouses c***ted on each other, r****m was rampant, and gays existed at the same rate they do today. It wasn't a beautiful world simply a world where we pretended the ugliness didn't exist. If any rage existed in my post its at the ignorance that wants to go back to a social construct that was worse than we have today...
Actually he was incorrect. The point I was origina... (show quote)


Your rant is completely off base of what I posted my friend.

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Dec 4, 2014 13:23:06   #
PeterS
 
larry wrote:
Homosexuality is a one way street. You are giving up any chance of extending yourself through your progeny. If you are determined to end your character with yourself, then you are denying the design of your nature, which is to procreate and extend your characteristics into society. It is your choice, but not one that 'nature' or God designed. We are designed to perpetuate the human race. If we don't, what is our purpose?

We have no problem perpetuating the human race--even as homosexuals, simply not with each other. As for the design you can find homosexual behavior of some sort with every complex life form on earth. Homosexual behavior has been with us since our inception so to call it a "choice" doesn't fit with reality.

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Dec 4, 2014 13:29:13   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
PeterS wrote:
We have no problem perpetuating the human race--even as homosexuals, simply not with each other. As for the design you can find homosexual behavior of some sort with every complex life form on earth. Homosexual behavior has been with us since our inception so to call it a "choice" doesn't fit with reality.


Much of that of which you say "every complex life form", is for establishing dominance, not for pure sexual gratification for selfish reasons.

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Dec 4, 2014 14:27:39   #
PeterS
 
larry wrote:
If you are married and recognize the purpose of marriage then even by your joining in a secular arrangement is as honorable as a religious one, but if you do not recognize that marriage was established by God for completion of His design, Then none of the constraints of a religious union are imposed, You can make your own rules on your behavior. Unfortunately most secular marriages are the ones falling apart.


Bull. This isn't born out by statistics nor logic. Rush isn't secular. The countless numbers of CC's who've divorced, many multiple times, aren't secular. Being forced to stay with someone by religious stigmatism and constraints is less successful than for those who stay together out of an original love and a commitment to each other. It's the south and mid-west--bastions for CC's--who led the nation in the highest divorce rates in the country. I would submit that it is more likely for CC's to marry out of lust--because sexuality is suppressed--than for those more sexually progressive and who are more likely to marry out of love and commitment to their mate. CC marriages fail at a higher rate because sex, not love, was at the center of the union. When the sexual attraction subsides the marriage fails--that is my opinion of course...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/divorce-rate-higher-in-counties-with-more-conservative-protestants-study-says-113392/

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Dec 4, 2014 14:47:09   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Your rant is completely off base of what I posted my friend.


You see that as a rant? Why? Its just conversational content.

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Dec 4, 2014 14:49:42   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
bdamage wrote:
Much of that of which you say "every complex life form", is for establishing dominance, not for pure sexual gratification for selfish reasons.


I don't know what sexual gratification for selfish reasons is. Please elaborate.

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Dec 4, 2014 14:52:30   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
PeterS wrote:
Bull. This isn't born out by statistics nor logic. Rush isn't secular. The countless numbers of CC's who've divorced, many multiple times, aren't secular. Being forced to stay with someone by religious stigmatism and constraints is less successful than for those who stay together out of an original love and a commitment to each other. It's the south and mid-west--bastions for CC's--who led the nation in the highest divorce rates in the country. I would submit that it is more likely for CC's to marry out of lust--because sexuality is suppressed--than for those more sexually progressive and who are more likely to marry out of love and commitment to their mate. CC marriages fail at a higher rate because sex, not love, was at the center of the union. When the sexual attraction subsides the marriage fails--that is my opinion of course...

http://www.christianpost.com/news/divorce-rate-higher-in-counties-with-more-conservative-protestants-study-says-113392/
Bull. This isn't born out by statistics nor logic.... (show quote)


Those damned lustful CC's. LOL. But you are right to an extent.

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Dec 4, 2014 14:54:24   #
no propaganda please Loc: moon orbiting the third rock from the sun
 
PeterS wrote:
We have no problem perpetuating the human race--even as homosexuals, simply not with each other. As for the design you can find homosexual behavior of some sort with every complex life form on earth. Homosexual behavior has been with us since our inception so to call it a "choice" doesn't fit with reality.


In every complex life form the most common form of sexual behavior would be considered rape in humans, in that the female does not have to consent. In many species of social animal a new male coming int the pack k**ls the offspring of other males if they are still nursing from their mothers, so that all females can be bred to the new male. In most species young that have any unsoundness, blind, deaf, growing too slowly, brain damaged ect will be k**led or abandoned. while I know that the "progressives" want the same to be true for humans plus the willingness to abandon older members so that they die and to not cost pack resources is the norm for animals, but not yet legal in humans. Most homosexual behavior in animals is a form of social control. don't forget that polygamy is also the norm, and that mating or attempting to mate with immature young is also the norm.oh wait, all that describes the desires of the progressive humans I take it back, the left does want humans to have the same "standards" as the monkey don't they. God Help Us

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Dec 4, 2014 15:06:52   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
no propaganda please wrote:
In every complex life form the most common form of sexual behavior would be considered rape in humans, in that the female does not have to consent. In many species of social animal a new male coming int the pack k**ls the offspring of other males if they are still nursing from their mothers, so that all females can be bred to the new male. In most species young that have any unsoundness, blind, deaf, growing too slowly, brain damaged ect will be k**led or abandoned. while I know that the "progressives" want the same to be true for humans plus the willingness to abandon older members so that they die and to not cost pack resources is the norm for animals, but not yet legal in humans. Most homosexual behavior in animals is a form of social control. don't forget that polygamy is also the norm, and that mating or attempting to mate with immature young is also the norm.oh wait, all that describes the desires of the progressive humans I take it back, the left does want humans to have the same "standards" as the monkey don't they. God Help Us
In every complex life form the most common form of... (show quote)


I will just point out that for every "norm" you point out, there are glaring exceptions in nature.

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Dec 4, 2014 19:28:56   #
PeterS
 
bdamage wrote:
Much of that of which you say "every complex life form", is for establishing dominance,

That would make homosexuality part of nature than and not a choice. And how is homosexuality selfish behavior or sexually gratifying? You can't accomplish the same thing, with far more gratification, as a heterosexual? Personally, for very selfish reasons, I find sex with a woman to be very sexually gratifying. How is it I can "choose" to be with a man when the thought of doing so turns my stomach? Or maybe I just want to dominate, or submit, is that it?

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Dec 4, 2014 19:32:47   #
PeterS
 
no propaganda please wrote:
In every complex life form the most common form of sexual behavior would be considered rape in humans, in that the female does not have to consent. In many species of social animal a new male coming int the pack k**ls the offspring of other males if they are still nursing from their mothers, so that all females can be bred to the new male. In most species young that have any unsoundness, blind, deaf, growing too slowly, brain damaged ect will be k**led or abandoned. while I know that the "progressives" want the same to be true for humans plus the willingness to abandon older members so that they die and to not cost pack resources is the norm for animals, but not yet legal in humans. Most homosexual behavior in animals is a form of social control. don't forget that polygamy is also the norm, and that mating or attempting to mate with immature young is also the norm.oh wait, all that describes the desires of the progressive humans I take it back, the left does want humans to have the same "standards" as the monkey don't they. God Help Us
In every complex life form the most common form of... (show quote)

Feel better now?

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Dec 4, 2014 19:39:30   #
PeterS
 
larry wrote:
Yes, but if you believe in God as the creator, Nature is a product of that creation. It must follow the rules of it's creation. It cannot make up new rules by itself.

And if you believe in Nature you don't need god for a creator--the creator is the natural physical processes of the universe. Let me ask you something: if a process is infinite can it have a beginning? If there is no beginning can there be a god?

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Dec 4, 2014 19:46:46   #
bdamage Loc: My Bunker
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
I don't know what sexual gratification for selfish reasons is. Please elaborate.


You ever heard of rape, promiscuity, molestation, p********a, orgies?
Where do you think STD's come from?
Certainly not married couples who reserve intimacy between ONLY themselves.

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Dec 4, 2014 19:50:37   #
Hemiman Loc: Communist California
 
PeterS wrote:
And if you believe in Nature you don't need god for a creator--the creator is the natural physical processes of the universe. Let me ask you something: if a process is infinite can it have a beginning? If there is no beginning can there be a god?


If there is no beginning it could only be that way with God.

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Dec 4, 2014 19:53:16   #
PeterS
 
Hemiman wrote:
If there is no beginning it could only be that way with God.

Why?

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