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Jul 31, 2023 23:54:51   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
permafrost wrote:
I know you understand that the majority of these opinion pieces are written by the supporters of such a thing..

And I would bet you also know that what savings were enjoyed are all temporary and end with the 2025 tax..

Then the middle and working class truly will have to heavily pay for the very rich getting the mountain of cash courtesy of trumpstan..


The tax cuts were required to expire in 2025 due to government budget rules. Republicans tried to make them permanent but Democrats were in power and blocked the effort. The working class will pay heavily due to Democrats.

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Aug 1, 2023 08:46:07   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
That is a question I have asked no less than 3 of my reps and truly h**e to say... I got no satisfactory answer..

I think they did/do have the power to do so but never gotten a full explanation.

Maybe tomorrows research assignment?... It really does puzzle me..

Now you did it Bird,, I did a 3 min looky look, found this and the article, now I am truly PO and swear I will never like any politician again.. I said this once before about 1970, but this time I truly mean it.. the turds...


https://prospect.org/economy/the-impossible-inevitable-survival-of-the-trump-tax-cuts/


The Trump tax cuts rolled back the estate tax, eliminated the alternative minimum tax, slashed the corporate tax rate, and created a new loophole, used mostly by the rich, for “pass-through” businesses.

Repealing those measures alone could net you around $3 trillion—and all you would have to do is go back to the pre-Trump tax code circa fall 2017. Every Democrat in office at the time opposed the Trump tax cuts: Joe Manchin, Kyrsten Sinema, Josh Gottheimer, and Kurt Schrader; every single one of the cast of characters that has become so familiar today. They all opposed it, and presumably would all be satisfied with a 2017-era tax code.

n the next p**********l e******n, I surmised, all Democratic candidates would have to do is to say “I will repeal the Trump tax cuts,” and that could finance most if not all of their ambitions for their first term. There were $3 trillion in unpopular giveaways to the wealthy just waiting to be re-channeled into important priorities on energy and environment, health and family care, housing and t***sit, and more.
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Aug 1, 2023 10:49:48   #
EmilyD
 
Strycker wrote:
The tax cuts were required to expire in 2025 due to government budget rules. Republicans tried to make them permanent but Democrats were in power and blocked the effort. The working class will pay heavily due to Democrats.

Shhhhhhh...they want to blame Trump for what the government budget rules say. You are raining on their parade!

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Aug 1, 2023 11:01:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
EmilyD wrote:
Shhhhhhh...they want to blame Trump for what the government budget rules say. You are raining on their parade!


You can not shout about Democrats when it is your republicans who wanted to disobey the rules, instead theyshafted the middle class and it looks as if that will be forever..

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Aug 1, 2023 11:34:18   #
EmilyD
 
permafrost wrote:
You can not shout about Democrats when it is your republicans who wanted to disobey the rules, instead theyshafted the middle class and it looks as if that will be forever..

"They" are the Democrats....the ones who stifled the v**e to extend the tax cut....there's nothing you can say to change that FACT. Right now, your boy Sniffy is making Americans pay higher and higher taxes. All indications are that it's going to get worse, not better. And we still have a year to go....hang on to your hats. Let's see what your people pull out of their a$$es next to try to k**l us all off....

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Aug 1, 2023 14:31:30   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
Why did Trump's tax cut fail to have any visible effect on U.S. investment?
It had a tremendous effect. Prior to his tax bill, the Dow was growing at 16.2% annually going back to Obama’s recovery act. From his tax bill until the economy’s peak before C***d, the Dow grew at an unimpressive 5.8% annually. By 2019, the economy had slowed so much that the Fed lowered interest rates for the first time since Bush was President, and Trump himself complained that they didn’t commit to do more to prevent a recession. So the rate of investment growth slowed by about 2/3 before the p******c, and lower interest rates meant low-risk investments like savings accounts also were less profitable.
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It did for small businesses, the life blood of America. Unfortunately we are bearing the brunt of this inflation to protect the stock market

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Aug 1, 2023 14:33:14   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
I know you understand that the majority of these opinion pieces are written by the supporters of such a thing..

And I would bet you also know that what savings were enjoyed are all temporary and end with the 2025 tax..

Then the middle and working class truly will have to heavily pay for the very rich getting the mountain of cash courtesy of trumpstan..


Why does the government bring in more money when taxes are low?

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Aug 1, 2023 14:38:53   #
WEBCO
 
permafrost wrote:
The tax foundation must be on hard times if they can not make a graph with the tax brackets correct.. sorry bunch of wh**ever they are..


Those aren't tax brackets. It shows that the top 1% paid 26% of the money collected in taxes, where as the bottom 50% paid only 3% of taxes collected.

Got it now? Is paying over 25% of total tax income tax revenue not "their fair share"?

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Aug 1, 2023 14:40:36   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
EmilyD wrote:
"They" are the Democrats....the ones who stifled the v**e to extend the tax cut....there's nothing you can say to change that FACT. Right now, your boy Sniffy is making Americans pay higher and higher taxes. All indications are that it's going to get worse, not better. And we still have a year to go....hang on to your hats. Let's see what your people pull out of their a$$es next to try to k**l us all off....


Now who's raining on their parade?

The only way to make trumps tax cuts permanent is to v**e out lots of democrats and rinos in the house and especially the Senate. Very unlikely enough will be v**ed out in 2025 and 2025 is the best shot for awhile unless people wake up to what's happening.Unfortunately democrats prefer to believe in f**e man made c*****e c****e rather than real corruption and undermining of the country.

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Aug 1, 2023 14:48:02   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
permafrost wrote:
You can not shout about Democrats when it is your republicans who wanted to disobey the rules, instead theyshafted the middle class and it looks as if that will be forever..


I know you're not that obtuse. Don't just ignore the t***h when you hear it.

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Aug 1, 2023 17:55:42   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
permafrost wrote:
What???!!!! More BS by something called the tax foundation.. what gop backwater did you pull this out of??


There are seven tax rates: 10%, 12%, 22%, 24%, 32%, 35% and 37%, the same as in tax year 2022.

It's obvious that you don't have the intelligence to read and understand graphs.

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Aug 1, 2023 18:03:42   #
tomhoff24
 
The “tax cut “ didn’t help me. I made less money and paid $5000 more in taxes.

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Aug 1, 2023 18:12:49   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Yeah, I know, the tax foundation isn't populated by corrupt democrats, socialists, progressives and c*******ts.

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2023 Update

New Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data on individual income taxes for tax year 2020 shows the federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates.[1] Average tax rates for all income groups remained lower in 2020, three years after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, than they were in 2017 prior to the reform.

In 2020, taxpayers filed 157.5 million tax returns, reported earning nearly $12.5 trillion in adjusted gross income (AGI), and paid $1.7 trillion in individual income taxes.
The average income tax rate in 2020 was 13.6 percent. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.99 percent average rate, more than eight times higher than the 3.1 percent average rate paid by the bottom half of taxpayers.
The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent.
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
The 2020 figures include p******c-related tax items such as the non-refundable part of the first two rounds of Recovery Rebates and the $10,200 unemployment compensation exclusion.

Reported Income and Taxes Paid Increased in Tax Year 2020

Taxpayers reported more than $12.5 trillion in AGI on 157.5 million tax returns in 2020, an increase of $650 million in AGI and 9.3 million in returns above 2019.[2] Total income taxes paid rose by $129 billion to $1.7 trillion, an 8 percent increase above 2019. The average individual income tax rate inched up slightly from 13.29 percent in 2019 to 13.63 percent in 2020.

Summary of the Latest Federal Income Tax Data, 2023 Update

New Internal Revenue Service (IRS) data on individual income taxes for tax year 2020 shows the federal income tax system continues to be progressive as high-income taxpayers pay the highest average income tax rates.[1] Average tax rates for all income groups remained lower in 2020, three years after the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act, than they were in 2017 prior to the reform.

In 2020, taxpayers filed 157.5 million tax returns, reported earning nearly $12.5 trillion in adjusted gross income (AGI), and paid $1.7 trillion in individual income taxes.
The average income tax rate in 2020 was 13.6 percent. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid a 25.99 percent average rate, more than eight times higher than the 3.1 percent average rate paid by the bottom half of taxpayers.
The top 1 percent’s income share rose from 20.1 percent in 2019 to 22.2 percent in 2020 and its share of federal income taxes paid rose from 38.8 percent to 42.3 percent.
The top 50 percent of all taxpayers paid 97.7 percent of all federal individual income taxes, while the bottom 50 percent paid the remaining 2.3 percent.
The 2020 figures include p******c-related tax items such as the non-refundable part of the first two rounds of Recovery Rebates and the $10,200 unemployment compensation exclusion.

Reported Income and Taxes Paid Increased in Tax Year 2020

Taxpayers reported more than $12.5 trillion in AGI on 157.5 million tax returns in 2020, an increase of $650 million in AGI and 9.3 million in returns above 2019.[2] Total income taxes paid rose by $129 billion to $1.7 trillion, an 8 percent increase above 2019. The average individual income tax rate inched up slightly from 13.29 percent in 2019 to 13.63 percent in 2020.

Source: IRS, Statistics of Income, ”Individual Income Rates and Tax Shares.”

Because the Office of Management and Budget (OMB) classifies the refundable part of tax credits as spending, the IRS does not include it in tax share figures. The result overstates the tax burden of the bottom half of taxpayers.

P******c-Related Downturn and Relief Programs

The p******c-related downturn and relief programs both affect the 2020 data. The recession caused financial hardships for many lower- and middle-income households. Between 2019 and 2020, AGI dropped by 6.6 percent for the bottom half of taxpayers, while it increased by 7 percent for the top half of taxpayers. As unemployment rose to record highs, lawmakers expanded unemployment benefits beginning in early 2020 and created a $10,200 income tax exclusion for the 2020 tax year, available to taxpayers with modified AGI below $150,000.

Two rounds of Recovery Rebates also reduced tax liability for qualifying taxpayers. The first round of payments provided $1,200 for single filers, $2,400 for joint filers, and $500 for each qualifying child. The second provided $600 for single filers, $1,200 for joint filers, and $600 for each qualifying child. Credit amounts began phasing out at $75,000 for single filers, $112,500 for head of household filers, and $150,000 for joint filers.

The income dip for the bottom half of taxpayers combined with the tax credit boost unavailable to higher-income households led to lower average tax rates at the bottom and a greater share of taxes borne by households at the top, compared to a typical year.

High-Income Taxpayers Paid the Highest Average Income Tax Rates

In 2020, taxpayers with higher incomes paid much higher average income tax rates than taxpayers with lower incomes.

The bottom half of taxpayers, or taxpayers making under $42,184, faced an average income tax rate of 3.1 percent. As household income increases, average income tax rates rise. For example, taxpayers with AGI between the 10th and 5th percentiles ($152,321 and $220,521) paid an average income tax rate of 13.3 percent—almost four times the rate paid by taxpayers in the bottom half.

The top 1 percent of taxpayers (AGI of $548,336 and above) paid the highest average income tax rate of 25.99 percent—more than eight times the rate faced by the bottom half of taxpayers.
High-Income Taxpayers Paid the Majority of Federal Income Taxes

In 2020, the bottom half of taxpayers earned 10.2 percent of total AGI and paid 2.3 percent of all federal individual income taxes. The top 1 percent earned 22.2 percent of total AGI and paid 42.3 percent of all federal income taxes.

In all, the top 1 percent of taxpayers accounted for more income taxes paid than the bottom 90 percent combined. The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90 percent paid $450 billion.
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**** The top 1 percent of taxpayers paid $723 billion in income taxes while the bottom 90 percent paid $450 billion.****
Here it is again ,
How much they paid is nothing compared to how much they made and what then their percentage was .

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Aug 1, 2023 18:14:48   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
tomhoff24 wrote:
The “tax cut “ didn’t help me. I made less money and paid $5000 more in taxes.

Will you please explain to me how that happened. If you were paying attention you should know.

Our gross income went up 4.3 percent from during the first two years of the tax cut while our effective tax rate went down 14.5 percent.

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Aug 2, 2023 15:32:01   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
permafrost wrote:
I know you understand that the majority of these opinion pieces are written by the supporters of such a thing..

And I would bet you also know that what savings were enjoyed are all temporary and end with the 2025 tax..

Then the middle and working class truly will have to heavily pay for the very rich getting the mountain of cash courtesy of trumpstan..



Let me see if I have this right:

1) The Trump tax cuts went almost entirely to making the corporations and the rich even richer,

2) Repealing the Trump tax cuts in'25 will cost the middle and working classes while the corporations and the rich will benefit again.

So Perm, but I think you're still missing a few pieces of the puzzle.

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