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May 23, 2023 19:55:04   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Parky60 wrote:
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected (Romans 8:22). So, these beings would have to die because death is the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans. If intelligent beings lived on other planets, they would suffer because of Adam’s sin but would have no opportunity to be saved through Christ’s sacrifice.

When Jesus Christ stepped into history, he became the God-man. The Bible calls him “the last Adam” and the “second man” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47). He became the second perfect man (Adam was perfect before he sinned), and he took the place of the first Adam by dying for the human race. As the first Adam was the representative head of the human race, so Jesus became the new head, the last Adam. So, there can be no other Savior, only Christ. Jesus now sits in the heavens, still in human form, on his throne next to the Father. If Jesus stepped out of his human form, we would no longer have a Savior. He remains the God-man forever. But note, Jesus didn’t become a “God-Klingon,” a “God-Vulcan,” or a “God-Cardassian”—he became the God-man.

It wouldn’t make sense theologically for there to be other intelligent, physical beings who suffer because of Adam’s sin but cannot be saved. So, my point is that I don’t believe in aliens.
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, ... (show quote)


I understand your reasoning, but i do not agree with your conclusions. We have no idea how the God of the entire universe has provided for some of his other children.

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May 23, 2023 19:56:52   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Earth’s God is the most powerful entity in the entire universe?

A universe so vast we can not scientifically measure the number of planets that are trillions of light years away. In all directions.

There is a ‘God’ but are not aware enough to know.

My faith is that there is more and karma is a b***h.


He is NOT Earth's God. He is the Creator of the Universe, and all we see (and can NOT see) in the night sky belongs to Him and wh**ever living creatures He created.

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May 23, 2023 20:10:07   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
Woodzter wrote:
Your "it wouldn't make sense theologically" doesn't make sense imo. Romans 1:20 is an answer to the question what about people, especially in history but even currently, who have never been exposed to Christ teachings. The answer is that they are without excuse because his invisible power and deity is perceived in all things, even the trees and grass and the sky (paraphrased). So, aliens would have the same opportunity and be without excuse. To me, this refuted the claim that only by accepting Jesus unto your heart can you be saved. There are other paths according to this verse and even more it makes sense in terms of a just God. Aliens would also be exposed to the wonders of the universe no matter what part of the universe they hail from.
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A nice, pleasant, wishful thought. Unfortunately, that is all it is. The New Testament is very clear the only through Jesus can sinful mankind be saved. Speculative alien entities are not addressed.

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May 23, 2023 20:14:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Parky60 wrote:
I don't know how to convey "light-heartedness" in my answer but all I'll say is that, if I'm not mistaken it was Mary, is that Mary's good work did not save her but her faith in Jesus that produced a good work did.

Works are evidence of faith. James said that ...faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!
I don't know how to convey "light-heartedness... (show quote)


Nothing lighthearted in your response and you nailed it. Good job. BTW, intercessory prayers are a good work.

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May 23, 2023 20:30:54   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Parky60 wrote:
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected (Romans 8:22). So, these beings would have to die because death is the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans. If intelligent beings lived on other planets, they would suffer because of Adam’s sin but would have no opportunity to be saved through Christ’s sacrifice.

When Jesus Christ stepped into history, he became the God-man. The Bible calls him “the last Adam” and the “second man” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47). He became the second perfect man (Adam was perfect before he sinned), and he took the place of the first Adam by dying for the human race. As the first Adam was the representative head of the human race, so Jesus became the new head, the last Adam. So, there can be no other Savior, only Christ. Jesus now sits in the heavens, still in human form, on his throne next to the Father. If Jesus stepped out of his human form, we would no longer have a Savior. He remains the God-man forever. But note, Jesus didn’t become a “God-Klingon,” a “God-Vulcan,” or a “God-Cardassian”—he became the God-man.

It wouldn’t make sense theologically for there to be other intelligent, physical beings who suffer because of Adam’s sin but cannot be saved. So, my point is that I don’t believe in aliens.
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, ... (show quote)


There’s no intelligent beings on other planets. The stars are going to be “rolled up like a scroll” and be gone.

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May 23, 2023 22:59:13   #
pescado rojo
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Earth’s God is the most powerful entity in the entire universe?

A universe so vast we can not scientifically measure the number of planets that are trillions of light years away. In all directions.

There is a ‘God’ but are not aware enough to know.

My faith is that there is more and karma is a b***h.


The number of planets? Astronomers are still discovering entire galaxies that were not known to exist. That brings me to another point; Atheists insist that the entire shebang happened by accident. Now, accidents are covered by the laws of probability, which indicate that for this universe, which may not even be the only one, could not have just "happened." There had to be some kind of primal moving force. I am using generic terms here in an effort to be inclusive. So, where did the primal matter which originated the "Big Bang" come from? I find it ironic that the same people who make fun of the Biblical account of creation in Genesis as a fairy tale believe that 14 billion years ago, a tiny amount of hydrogen, which conveniently appeared ex nihilo somehow compressed and totally by accident, caused the Big Bang that created the entire universe. When pressed for an explanation of the source of the primal matter, some will even say it was left over from a previous universe, which once more begs the question, where did the previous universe, assuming there was one, come from?

Religion is an attempt to reduce the incomprehensible vastness of the cosmos down to a level that humans can comprehend. I believe there is a Supreme Being, and that death is not the end of our existence. I also think that lots of people have been and will continue to be mighty damn surprised when their time comes.
If God has always existed, then time and space are a sort of closed circuit, rather than a linear construct with a beginning and a one way arrow headed for infinity. In other words, what is happening and will happen has already happened. Confusing, isn't it? Funny how "settled science" becomes unsettled every few hundred years or sooner. I mean, look at where we are today, and the existence of atoms was not conclusively proven until about 1900 or thereabouts. They've been here the entire time and we just didn't know about them. Black holes were unknown in the fifties, as were quasars and quarks, and antimatter. Science has advanced more in the last 150 years than in all of recorded history, yet no one has ever been able to produce an original creative thought in a laboratory setting. There is a part of us that cannot be measured. Yet. Most people don't remember a lot of their dreams, and people who have been put under in surgery cannot remember anything about it, but can get some recall of events if they are able to be hypnotized. Your subconscious mind records everything, even though you may or may not be able to access the data.
If thought is nothing more than an electro-chemical reaction, then why can we not take a fresh corpse and introduce the proper amount of electricity to create a thought?
I am rambling, but I do believe that organized religion tends to oversimplify many questions.

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May 24, 2023 16:42:23   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
Parky60 wrote:
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected (Romans 8:22). So, these beings would have to die because death is the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans. If intelligent beings lived on other planets, they would suffer because of Adam’s sin but would have no opportunity to be saved through Christ’s sacrifice.

When Jesus Christ stepped into history, he became the God-man. The Bible calls him “the last Adam” and the “second man” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47). He became the second perfect man (Adam was perfect before he sinned), and he took the place of the first Adam by dying for the human race. As the first Adam was the representative head of the human race, so Jesus became the new head, the last Adam. So, there can be no other Savior, only Christ. Jesus now sits in the heavens, still in human form, on his throne next to the Father. If Jesus stepped out of his human form, we would no longer have a Savior. He remains the God-man forever. But note, Jesus didn’t become a “God-Klingon,” a “God-Vulcan,” or a “God-Cardassian”—he became the God-man.

It wouldn’t make sense theologically for there to be other intelligent, physical beings who suffer because of Adam’s sin but cannot be saved. So, my point is that I don’t believe in aliens.
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, ... (show quote)



If the fall affected all of creation, why wouldn't the salvation also affect all of creation? If Christ's death can redeem the X trillions humans who have, are or will exist, what would be the problem with adding in a few trillion aliens? Your argument is very weak for someone who believes in an omnipotent deity.

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May 24, 2023 16:51:48   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
SeaLass wrote:
If the fall affected all of creation, why wouldn't the salvation also affect all of creation? If Christ's death can redeem the X trillions humans who have, are or will exist, what would be the problem with adding in a few trillion aliens? Your argument is very weak for someone who believes in an omnipotent deity.
We have no idea of what else God has created.

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May 24, 2023 16:52:21   #
SeaLass Loc: Western Soviet Socialist Republics
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Sorry wood, Jesus is the only name by which you can claim heirship and get to heaven. Acts 4:12
But welcome anyway!😄😄


How do you know that the aliens don't have their version of the bible which notes the name by which they can get to heaven. The earth-based bible is probably not going to read by aliens any more than the alien-based version is going to be read by humans.

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May 24, 2023 19:41:27   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
There’s no aliens!

Isaiah 34:4 All the stars of heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, ...
... will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; ... the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, ... shriveled figs from the fig tree. The heavens above will melt ...
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/34-4.htm

Revelation 6:14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was ...
... heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain ... island was removed from its place. The sky was rolled up ... The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and ...

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May 24, 2023 20:13:49   #
RascalRiley Loc: Somewhere south of Detroit
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
There’s no aliens!

Isaiah 34:4 All the stars of heaven will be dissolved. The skies will be rolled up like a scroll, ...
... will be dissolved and the heavens rolled up like a scroll; ... the starry host will fall like withered leaves from the vine, ... shriveled figs from the fig tree. The heavens above will melt ...
https://biblehub.com/isaiah/34-4.htm

Revelation 6:14 The sky receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain and island was ...
... heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and every mountain ... island was removed from its place. The sky was rolled up ... The heavens receded like a scroll being rolled up, and ...
There’s no aliens! br br Isaiah 34:4 All the star... (show quote)

Marty, is the earth flat?

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May 24, 2023 20:29:24   #
RandyBrian Loc: Texas
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Marty, is the earth flat?


I can't think of a single verse in the Bible that says so. Of course, some people make their religion up as they go.

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May 24, 2023 20:31:01   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Marty, is the earth flat?


We've been wondering the same thing about your forehead.

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May 24, 2023 21:39:02   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
padremike wrote:
We've been wondering the same thing about your forehead.


The lobotomy was a huge success!

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May 24, 2023 22:49:40   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Marty, is the earth flat?

The Bible says that the earth is round and the universe is expanding... just like the scientists. Go figure.

It is He (God) who sits above the circle of the earth, And its inhabitants are like grasshoppers, Who stretches out the heavens like a curtain, And spreads them out like a tent to dwell in. Isaiah 40:22

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