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May 23, 2023 11:53:41   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Woodzter wrote:
I am agnostic, however I'm not sure that was relevant to my take on aliens not being exposed to Christ so they can't exist. I find that argument lacking. I was raised going to church and Sunday school, went to church camp every summer and I've studied the bible a wee bit. So, I have an opinion. I think it's well thought out. What significance do you put on Romans 1:20 ? I like to think that if there is an after life, God has a special regard for atheists who managed to be good humans without the promise of heaven or the threat of eternal damnation.
I am agnostic, however I'm not sure that was relev... (show quote)


You serve either God or Satan.
Satan is the default choice. You HAVE to choose Jesus!
Good doesn’t mean heaven!

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May 23, 2023 12:13:06   #
woodguru
 
Big dog wrote:
Other than just proclaiming yourself to be a Heathen, you put yourself on the same level as God by judging All Magas as not being’Good people’.
Of course, a real atheist considers themselves to be their only god. So why not just come out and confess to being an Atheist?

Confess...like it's a crime? I have never made any secret about the fact that I do not believe in the religiously inspired figurehead of christianity...

Most religions have a common core set of beliefs if you break it down, sprinkled with different details in the mix that keeps society civil, they are all about controlling people, most are about fund raising to support the religion's hierarchy...people need things they can believe in.

What we have in this country is a right wing that has taken their propensity for believing in things to a level where their political views have become their beliefs...which is why you cannot argue with their political beliefs, they are not tethered to reality, they are based on what people want to believe...
...t***p w*n
...the e******n was s****n
...trump never did anything wrong/or at least the reason he is being persecuted is political not deserved

If you believe these things your head is not running on anything but sheer raw beliefs

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May 23, 2023 12:16:13   #
woodguru
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
You serve either God or Satan.
Satan is the default choice. You HAVE to choose Jesus!
Good doesn’t mean heaven!


This is the reality of simple minded black or white believers...
...if you don't believe in trump you must believe in Biden
...if you don't love trump you must h**e the country, because trump loves the country

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May 23, 2023 12:26:15   #
woodguru
 
Woodzter wrote:
I am agnostic, however I'm not sure that was relevant to my take on aliens not being exposed to Christ so they can't exist. I find that argument lacking. I was raised going to church and Sunday school, went to church camp every summer and I've studied the bible a wee bit. So, I have an opinion. I think it's well thought out. What significance do you put on Romans 1:20 ? I like to think that if there is an after life, God has a special regard for atheists who managed to be good humans without the promise of heaven or the threat of eternal damnation.
I am agnostic, however I'm not sure that was relev... (show quote)

I think that good is a state of soul, it's not hard to figure out when people have good "hearts" and souls...

I also believe that there are going to be a significant number of people who believe that they are forgiven and allowed any degree of being a bad person, that god will/has forgiven them...

There is no forgiveness for nasty h**eful behavior towards others, I remember the part where you will be judged upon dying, those found lacking will be spending time in a hot and unairconditioned environment. Those who have made people's lives on earth a hell with their h**e and violence are not god's people no matter how much they think their belief in god protects them.

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May 23, 2023 13:16:53   #
BIRDMAN
 
RascalRiley wrote:
You got it all wrong. Only the Trump adherents will be saved.

Here is my reasoning. Trump said "I think I'm the most honest human being, perhaps, that God ever created."

So to be Trump supporter is like a ticket to eternal bliss.



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May 23, 2023 14:00:56   #
LostAggie66 Loc: Corpus Christi, TX (Shire of Seawinds)
 
Parky60 wrote:
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected (Romans 8:22). So, these beings would have to die because death is the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans. If intelligent beings lived on other planets, they would suffer because of Adam’s sin but would have no opportunity to be saved through Christ’s sacrifice.

When Jesus Christ stepped into history, he became the God-man. The Bible calls him “the last Adam” and the “second man” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47). He became the second perfect man (Adam was perfect before he sinned), and he took the place of the first Adam by dying for the human race. As the first Adam was the representative head of the human race, so Jesus became the new head, the last Adam. So, there can be no other Savior, only Christ. Jesus now sits in the heavens, still in human form, on his throne next to the Father. If Jesus stepped out of his human form, we would no longer have a Savior. He remains the God-man forever. But note, Jesus didn’t become a “God-Klingon,” a “God-Vulcan,” or a “God-Cardassian”—he became the God-man.

It wouldn’t make sense theologically for there to be other intelligent, physical beings who suffer because of Adam’s sin but cannot be saved. So, my point is that I don’t believe in aliens.
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, ... (show quote)


There is No Way In Hell We are the only sentient life in the Universe. BTW the Klingons k**led their gods and the Vulcans follow the logic and eschew emotions as taught by Surak. The Cardassians I am not sure of. what their religious views. Not all UAP or UFO's are explainable by our current science.

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May 23, 2023 14:43:07   #
martsiva
 
Woodzter wrote:
Your "it wouldn't make sense theologically" doesn't make sense imo. Romans 1:20 is an answer to the question what about people, especially in history but even currently, who have never been exposed to Christ teachings. The answer is that they are without excuse because his invisible power and deity is perceived in all things, even the trees and grass and the sky (paraphrased). So, aliens would have the same opportunity and be without excuse. To me, this refuted the claim that only by accepting Jesus unto your heart can you be saved. There are other paths according to this verse and even more it makes sense in terms of a just God. Aliens would also be exposed to the wonders of the universe no matter what part of the universe they hail from.
Your "it wouldn't make sense theologically&qu... (show quote)


There are no other paths in Romans 1:20 since Jesus is God!

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May 23, 2023 15:16:04   #
RickyDCUSMC
 
Parky60 wrote:
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, then they would have been affected by the fall of Adam because the whole creation was affected (Romans 8:22). So, these beings would have to die because death is the penalty for sin. One day their planet will be destroyed during God’s final judgment, but they cannot have salvation because that blessing is given only to humans. If intelligent beings lived on other planets, they would suffer because of Adam’s sin but would have no opportunity to be saved through Christ’s sacrifice.

When Jesus Christ stepped into history, he became the God-man. The Bible calls him “the last Adam” and the “second man” (1 Corinthians 15:45, 47). He became the second perfect man (Adam was perfect before he sinned), and he took the place of the first Adam by dying for the human race. As the first Adam was the representative head of the human race, so Jesus became the new head, the last Adam. So, there can be no other Savior, only Christ. Jesus now sits in the heavens, still in human form, on his throne next to the Father. If Jesus stepped out of his human form, we would no longer have a Savior. He remains the God-man forever. But note, Jesus didn’t become a “God-Klingon,” a “God-Vulcan,” or a “God-Cardassian”—he became the God-man.

It wouldn’t make sense theologically for there to be other intelligent, physical beings who suffer because of Adam’s sin but cannot be saved. So, my point is that I don’t believe in aliens.
If there are intelligent beings on other planets, ... (show quote)


So you are saying that God didn't create humans' anywhere else in the vast universe except here? A little arrogant, aren't we??? Just because Adam on this planate listened to Eve and screwed the pooch, doesn't mean Adam on another planate did!!! Thoughts to ponder.

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May 23, 2023 15:57:17   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
RascalRiley wrote:
Earth’s God is the most powerful entity in the entire universe?

A universe so vast we can not scientifically measure the number of planets that are trillions of light years away. In all directions.

There is a ‘God’ but are not aware enough to know.

My faith is that there is more and karma is a b***h.


Your god is far too small if he needs help to govern his Creation.

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May 23, 2023 16:32:35   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
woodguru wrote:
Sparky...got news for you, "aliens" terraformed this planet and seeded it with life, "they" were there messing with people's beliefs, creating gods, performing miracles that were child's play for their advanced technology. The light brighter than a thousand suns, they were there. They are in reality your god, but it takes an open mind to see it.

Imagine when they take millions of people away (great rapture?)...who they gonna take, real christians or the thugs that believe they are christians? I think they will be taking good people, And MAGAs are not them. If you were objectively watching people, and wanted to save the best and set them up elsewhere, would you take nasty contentious h**eful people or would you take truly good compassionate people?

MAGAs are going to be left holding this bag of crap planet they and greedy people have destroyed
Sparky...got news for you, "aliens" terr... (show quote)


Earth is not a bag of crap planet. It's a magnificent work by our Creator and has sustained billions of humans and other creatures abundantly. For example, f****l f**ls were in His foreknowledge when He created earth, He created them knowing the great blessing they would be for the advancement and comfort of man, his favorite creation. He created a self cleaning planet for the most part yet environuts believe they can do a better job by criminalizing His f****l f**ls and also controll the weather. There is a school of theological thought that "speculates" before the fall, a time when man possessed perfect humanity and complete d******n over his world, man might very well have had power to quell the storms, calmed the sea, etc. and this notion might very well be a residual memory in those who nowadays believes they can usurp God. If this be true we lost more than we can even begin to imagine.

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May 23, 2023 16:39:57   #
Big dog
 
woodguru wrote:
Confess...like it's a crime? I have never made any secret about the fact that I do not believe in the religiously inspired figurehead of christianity...

Most religions have a common core set of beliefs if you break it down, sprinkled with different details in the mix that keeps society civil, they are all about controlling people, most are about fund raising to support the religion's hierarchy...people need things they can believe in.

What we have in this country is a right wing that has taken their propensity for believing in things to a level where their political views have become their beliefs...which is why you cannot argue with their political beliefs, they are not tethered to reality, they are based on what people want to believe...
...t***p w*n
...the e******n was s****n
...trump never did anything wrong/or at least the reason he is being persecuted is political not deserved

If you believe these things your head is not running on anything but sheer raw beliefs
Confess...like it's a crime? I have never made any... (show quote)


Your comparison to’Trump’ and saying that if I don’t believe the e******n was fixed and my belief in God is a brain disease is a pretty far fetched concept.

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May 23, 2023 16:41:38   #
Marty 2020 Loc: Banana Republic of Kalifornia
 
Romans 1:20 in its entirety is simply a statement that you have no excuse to not believe in God. You may label Him differently, but He’s still God.
You can’t say, on judgment day, that you were ignorant and it wasn’t your fault!

All other religions pay homage to a dead person.
Jesus is the risen Son of God, who now that His work is done, sits at the right side of God the father.

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May 23, 2023 18:37:13   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
Marty 2020 wrote:
Romans 1:20 in its entirety is simply a statement that you have no excuse to not believe in God. You may label Him differently, but He’s still God.
You can’t say, on judgment day, that you were ignorant and it wasn’t your fault!

All other religions pay homage to a dead person.
Jesus is the risen Son of God, who now that His work is done, sits at the right side of God the father.

All religions except for Christianity are works-based.

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May 23, 2023 19:02:21   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
Parky60 wrote:
All religions except for Christianity are works-based.


Hehe, I'm gonna sneak one past you. 🤣🥰

Mark 14:6-8 King James Version (KJV) And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.

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May 23, 2023 19:20:23   #
Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois
 
padremike wrote:
Hehe, I'm gonna sneak one past you. 🤣🥰

Mark 14:6-8 King James Version (KJV) And Jesus said, Let her alone; why trouble ye her? she hath wrought a good work on me. For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.

I don't know how to convey "light-heartedness" in my answer but all I'll say is that, if I'm not mistaken it was Mary, is that Mary's good work did not save her but her faith in Jesus that produced a good work did.

Works are evidence of faith. James said that ...faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead. But someone will say, "You have faith, and I have works." Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe--and tremble!

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