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We Don't Have A Gun Problem...It's A Mental Health Problem
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Mar 29, 2023 14:02:53   #
CarolBinkley Loc: Somewhere in Time
 
Where's woodie?

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Mar 29, 2023 15:36:51   #
Strycker Loc: The middle of somewhere else.
 
woodguru wrote:
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone around them knows that they are potentially going to k**l someone some day.

It's worse than that when family or friends know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the unstable person they know is going to go off sooner or later.

We are seeing that in the majority of mass shootings there were definite warning signs, often reports by family or others that this person was a danger and threat.

Maybe we can't totally eliminate all shootings, but we can take the steps to reduce them and make it harder for unstable people to get their hands on guns.
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone ... (show quote)


So now your calling for precognitive crime. Didn't work out too well in Minority Report. Falls right in there with today's thought crimes.

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Mar 29, 2023 15:41:02   #
CarolBinkley Loc: Somewhere in Time
 
Strycker wrote:
So now your calling for precognitive crime. Didn't work out too well in Minority Report. Falls right in there with today's thought crimes.


He may or may not be. His syntax is getting a little stilted again. Not sure if he knows what precognitive means, anyway.

He is, however, lecturing. When stupid people can lecture, you know there's something wrong with the country.

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Mar 29, 2023 16:31:16   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
woodguru wrote:
And I'll tell you a big problem hard right wingers have with mental health...

...it involves anger management issues, restraining orders, domestic violence...it hits them way too close to home because all of the above is reason to keep those people from having guns.


You were beginning to make sense and then you went off the deep end.

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Mar 29, 2023 16:48:50   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
And I'll tell you a big problem hard right wingers have with mental health...

...it involves anger management issues, restraining orders, domestic violence...it hits them way too close to home because all of the above is reason to keep those people from having guns.
"There's always some son of a b***h who doesn't get the memo."
JFK


You were diagnosed as a cognitively dysfunctional hypocrite the day you got here.
Be careful, your disconnect from reality is nearly complete.

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Mar 30, 2023 05:28:19   #
Snoopy
 
woodguru wrote:
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone around them knows that they are potentially going to k**l someone some day.

It's worse than that when family or friends know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the unstable person they know is going to go off sooner or later.

We are seeing that in the majority of mass shootings there were definite warning signs, often reports by family or others that this person was a danger and threat.

Maybe we can't totally eliminate all shootings, but we can take the steps to reduce them and make it harder for unstable people to get their hands on guns.
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone ... (show quote)



Wood:

Combine NICS with a Mental Health data base!!!!!

SNoopy

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Mar 30, 2023 06:05:17   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
You really need to consider therapy.



Woodguru's therapy is posting.

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Mar 30, 2023 06:14:00   #
crazylibertarian Loc: Florida by way of New York & Rhode Island
 
[quote=Strycker

So now your calling for precognitive crime. Didn't work out too well in Minority Report. Falls right in there with today's thought crimes.[/quote]


There was a subplot in, of all things, an Elvis movie, Follow That Dream. Elvis' character set up some psychologic expert with word associations. One was child and the association labor as made. The expert said child labor meant something horrible about the person who made the association, thinking it was the subject. It was the judge himself who'd made it.

No set of parameters and people with the predictors, often live good productive lives without ever going off.

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Mar 30, 2023 08:37:40   #
Dan the man
 
keepuphope wrote:
That is a good start but adding to that problem is the ease of getting one ILLEGALLY. Prosecute the person who sold that gun to the k**ler with the same charges as aiding and abetting them it would also help.


Okay then let's incarcerate the auto dealers and makers for
deaths that occur during wrecks. Let's incarcerate electric
suppliers when someone is electrocuted. Let's incarcerate
Locomotive makers when someone dies in a train wreck .
We could almost rid the nation of death by these actions lol

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Mar 30, 2023 11:31:39   #
CarolBinkley Loc: Somewhere in Time
 
woodguru wrote:
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone around them knows that they are potentially going to k**l someone some day.

It's worse than that when family or friends know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the unstable person they know is going to go off sooner or later.

We are seeing that in the majority of mass shootings there were definite warning signs, often reports by family or others that this person was a danger and threat.

Maybe we can't totally eliminate all shootings, but we can take the steps to reduce them and make it harder for unstable people to get their hands on guns.
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone ... (show quote)


You should never be able to get a gun, wood. You're as unstable as they get. Counting flowers...

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Mar 30, 2023 13:06:08   #
Justice101
 
woodguru wrote:
And I'll tell you a big problem hard right wingers have with mental health...

...it involves anger management issues, restraining orders, domestic violence...it hits them way too close to home because all of the above is reason to keep those people from having guns.



https://www.newsweek.com/mass-shootings-t*********r-perpetrators-1790854
A tweet listing four mass shootings in the past five years that were perpetrated by t*********r people has gone v***l, attracting 5.4 million views as of 8 a.m. ET on Tuesday and the attention of Twitter's owner, Elon Musk.

Benny Johnson, a political columnist and Turning Point U.S.A. official, wrote in his v***l tweet: "One thing is VERY clear: the modern t***s movement is radicalizing activists into terrorists."

Musk—who has expressed varying views on t*********r issues and is reported to have a t*********r child—replied to the tweet with an exclamation mark, itself seen 2.2 million times.

Benny Johnson via Twitter:
The Colorado Springs shooter identified as non binary.

The Denver shooter identified as t***s.

The Aberdeen shooter identified as t***s.

The Nashville shooter identified as t***s.

The tweet follows a school shooting in Nashville on Monday, in which Audrey Hale—identified by police as t*********r—is suspected to have shot and k**led six people, including three members of staff and three nine-year-old children.

"The t***s movement is pushing more and more extremism each day," said Oli London, a media personality who has become critical of the t*********r movement since deciding to det***sition. "They recruit people, indoctrinate them and pump them full of propaganda until they become filled with h**e and rage."

While some used the apparent prevalence of shootings by t*********r individuals to highlight mental health concerns, others pointed out that there had already been more than 100 mass shooters in 2023 alone. Therefore, the number of mass shootings perpetrated by t*********r individuals mounted to a fraction of the total number in the U.S. over the past five years.

According to figures from the Gun Violence Archive, there have been 131 mass shootings this year, and there were 647 in 2022. In total, there have been 2,861 mass shootings in the U.S. since 2018. Some have had more than one perpetrator.


One thing is VERY clear: the modern t***s movement is radicalizing activists into terrorists.

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Mar 30, 2023 15:30:01   #
Wonttakeitanymore
 
woodguru wrote:
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone around them knows that they are potentially going to k**l someone some day.

It's worse than that when family or friends know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the unstable person they know is going to go off sooner or later.

We are seeing that in the majority of mass shootings there were definite warning signs, often reports by family or others that this person was a danger and threat.

Maybe we can't totally eliminate all shootings, but we can take the steps to reduce them and make it harder for unstable people to get their hands on guns.
There's people that shouldn't have guns, everyone ... (show quote)


It’s the criminal justice system that’s needs an overhaul

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Mar 30, 2023 15:32:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

What the data says about gun deaths in the U.S.
BY JOHN GRAMLICH
More Americans died of gun-related injuries in 2020 than in any other year on record, according to recently published statistics from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). That included a record number of gun murders, as well as a near-record number of gun suicides. Despite the increase in such fatalities, the rate of gun deaths – a statistic that accounts for the nation’s growing population – remains below the levels of earlier years.

Here’s a closer look at gun deaths in the United States, based on a Pew Research Center analysis of data from the CDC, the FBI and other sources. You can also read key public opinion findings about U.S. gun violence and gun policy in our recent roundup.

How we did this

How many people die from gun-related injuries in the U.S. each year?
A pie chart showing that suicides accounted for more than half of U.S. gun deaths in 2020
In 2020, the most recent year for which complete data is available, 45,222 people died from gun-related injuries in the U.S., according to the CDC. That figure includes gun murders and gun suicides, along with three other, less common types of gun-related deaths tracked by the CDC: those that were unintentional, those that involved law enforcement and those whose circumstances could not be determined. The total excludes deaths in which gunshot injuries played a contributing, but not principal, role. (CDC fatality statistics are based on information contained in official death certificates, which identify a single cause of death.)

What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?
Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2020, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (24,292), while 43% were murders (19,384), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were unintentional (535), involved law enforcement (611) or had undetermined circumstances (400).

What share of all murders and suicides in the U.S. involve a gun?
Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 – 24,292 out of 45,979 – involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years.

How has the number of U.S. gun deaths changed over time?
The 45,222 total gun deaths in 2020 were by far the most on record, representing a 14% increase from the year before, a 25% increase from five years earlier and a 43% increase from a decade prior.

Gun murders, in particular, have climbed sharply in recent years. The 19,384 gun murders that took place in 2020 were the most since at least 1968, exceeding the previous peak of 18,253 recorded by the CDC in 1993. The 2020 total represented a 34% increase from the year before, a 49% increase over five years and a 75% increase over 10 years.

The number of gun suicides has also risen in recent years – climbing 10% over five years and 25% over 10 years – and is near its highest point on record. The 24,292 gun suicides that took place in 2020 were the most in any year except 2018, when there were 24,432.

How has the rate of U.S. gun deaths changed over time?
While 2020 saw the highest total number of gun deaths in the U.S., this statistic does not take into account the nation’s growing population. On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.

A line graph showing that U.S. gun suicide and gun murder rates have increased in recent years, but remain below past highs
The gun murder and gun suicide rates in the U.S. both remain below their peak levels. There were 6.2 gun murders per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.2 recorded in 1974. And there were 7.0 gun suicides per 100,000 people in 2020, below the rate of 7.7 measured in 1977. (One caveat when considering the 1970s figures: In the CDC’s database, gun murders and gun suicides between 1968 and 1978 are classified as those caused by firearms and explosives. In subsequent years, they are classified as deaths involving firearms only.)

Which states have the highest and lowest gun death rates in the U.S.?
A map showing that U.S. gun death rates varied widely by state in 2020
The rate of gun fatalities varies widely from state to state. In 2020, the states with the highest rates of gun-related deaths – counting murders, suicides and all other categories tracked by the CDC – included Mississippi (28.6 per 100,000 people), Louisiana (26.3), Wyoming (25.9), Missouri (23.9) and Alabama (23.6). The states with the lowest rates included New York (5.3), Rhode Island (5.1), New Jersey (5.0), Massachusetts (3.7) and Hawaii (3.4).

How does the gun death rate in the U.S. compare with other countries?
The gun death rate in the U.S. is much higher than in most other nations, particularly developed nations. But it is still far below the rates in several Latin American countries, according to a 2018 study of 195 countries and territories by researchers at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

The U.S. gun death rate was 10.6 per 100,000 people in 2016, the most recent year in the study, which used a somewhat different methodology from the CDC. That was far higher than in countries such as Canada (2.1 per 100,000) and Australia (1.0), as well as European nations such as France (2.7), Germany (0.9) and Spain (0.6). But the rate in the U.S. was much lower than in El Salvador (39.2 per 100,000 people), Venezuela (38.7), Guatemala (32.3), Colombia (25.9) and Honduras (22.5), the study found. Overall, the U.S. ranked 20th in its gun fatality rate that year.

How many people are k**led in mass shootings in the U.S. every year?
This is a difficult question to answer because there is no single, agreed-upon definition of the term “mass shooting.” Definitions can vary depending on factors including the number of victims and the circumstances of the shooting.

The FBI collects data on “active shooter incidents,” which it defines as “one or more individuals actively engaged in k*****g or attempting to k**l people in a populated area.” Using the FBI’s definition, 38 people – excluding the shooters – died in such incidents in 2020.

The Gun Violence Archive, an online database of gun violence incidents in the U.S., defines mass shootings as incidents in which four or more people are shot, even if no one was k**led (again excluding the shooters). Using this definition, 513 people died in these incidents in 2020.

Regardless of the definition being used, fatalities in mass shooting incidents in the U.S. account for a small fraction of all gun murders that occur nationwide each year.

How has the number of mass shootings in the U.S. changed over time?
A chart showing that active shooter incidents have become more common in the U.S. in recent years
The same definitional issue that makes it challenging to arrive at an exact number of mass shooting fatalities comes into play when trying to determine the frequency of U.S. mass shootings over time. The unpredictability of these incidents also complicates matters: As Rand Corp. noted in a research brief, “Chance variability in the annual number of mass shooting incidents makes it challenging to discern a clear trend, and trend estimates will be sensitive to outliers and to the time frame chosen for analysis.”

The FBI found an increase in active shooter incidents between 2000 and 2020. There were three such incidents in 2000; by 2020, that figure had increased to 40.

Which types of firearms are most commonly used in gun murders in the U.S.?
In 2020, handguns were involved in 59% of the 13,620 U.S. gun murders and non-negligent manslaughters for which data is available, according to the FBI. Rifles – the category that includes guns sometimes referred to as “assault weapons” – were involved in 3% of firearm murders. Shotguns were involved in 1%. The remainder of gun homicides and non-negligent manslaughters (36%) involved other kinds of firearms or those classified as “type not stated.”

It’s important to note that the FBI’s statistics do not capture the details on all gun murders in the U.S. each year. The FBI’s data is based on information voluntarily submitted by police departments around the country, and not all agencies participate or provide complete information each year.

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Mar 30, 2023 16:48:23   #
dwp66
 
CarolBinkley wrote:
Oh, give it a break, dips**t!! "Mama put these guns in the ground, I can't shoot them anymore"...Knock, Knock, Knocking on Heaven's Door

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm9coqlk8fY

Remember, dips**t? (Can't wait till you go whining to Admin)

I never knew it was about BILLY THE KID.


I think you were not hugged enough as a child, CB. That would explain it..

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Mar 30, 2023 17:00:26   #
keepuphope Loc: Idaho
 
dwp66 wrote:
I think you were not hugged enough as a child, CB. That would explain it..


Apparently you were hugged too much and told how special you were so anyone else's opinion is disregarded because you are so brilliant.

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