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Mar 19, 2023 11:41:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
Fit2BTied wrote:
About half of those drug deaths were between the ages of 10-19. Those are kids. Impressionable, vulnerable kids. Leaving the border pretty wide open and allowing Mexican cartels to control towns along it is a failure to do one of the things the government is actually there for - protect the citizens of the U.S.. In 2021 there were 15% more drug ODs (108,000) than in 2020. In 2020 there were 30% more drug ODs than in 2019.
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/11/health/drug-overdose-deaths-record-high-2021/index.html
By your standards, I suppose you'd say that this is proof that Biden's efforts are working, but I counter with he's not doing all that he can, especially appointing VP Harris as the "Border Czar". I do not discount that America's appetite for illicit drugs is a major problem - and those who interdict these drugs are doing the best they can with what they have in terms of resources and authority. But that does not mean that if it was actually a priority for the Biden administration, we couldn't be doing a much better job, at least keeping these drugs out of the hands of our children. A hundred billion for Ukraine trying to get WWIII started? Where the hell are our priorities??
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The border problem has been with us for generations.. I think the only way to get close to control is to change some laws. More or less the rewriting of I*********n l*ws and enforcement of those laws as written. Now the single largest incentive for the border crossings are the jobs which are given and the of penalization when discovered. As far as drug use goes, I think we lost that war long ago.. I have no idea how to halt that epidemic..

No one is trying to start WWlll, and it is not money we are sending to Ukraine but aid, both humanitarian and military... While Putin is losing, it will require much more losing before he ends his invasion.. as He is the proven enemy of America, we would be the very big losers if the support of Ukraine was stopped by ourselves and the other 40 plus nations who are sending aid..

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Mar 19, 2023 11:45:08   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
soontobeindicted mattoid wrote:
Me too permafrost. No pain reliever has been manufactured better (for me) than endorphins and hard work.

Gets the kinks out and sh!t done.

Miss MN, but not enough to return in the winter ❄️ !


Winter,, darn, you are missing a dandy by anyone definition... LOL

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Mar 19, 2023 12:54:35   #
older and wiser
 
permafrost wrote:
Pulled from Quora...

Try not to dismiss it, but rather to think about it for a bit..

Since f******l is k*****g more Americans than cancer and guns combined, how come Biden is ignoring the drug problem?

But it isn’t. in 2021 67,325 died of all opioids including f******l and heroin. Cancer deaths in 2021 were 608, 570 gun deaths, 45,222 gun deaths.

You do know the numbers can be actually looked up and it isn’t close almost 10 times as many cancer deaths as opioid deaths.

Biden isn’t ignoring the drug problem but to be perfectly brutal drug abusers volunteer for their problems and while there have been record amounts of f******l intercepted at the border under this administration. Drug users are the problem. The DOJ under Biden has been prosecuting doctors and pharmacies that hand out drugs like candy, they have tightened the border and intercepted record amounts of drugs the problem is the Americans who choose to use drugs. Do you expect a president to go door to door and check out medicine cabinets.

I have massive sympathy for the over 600,000 Americans who die from Cancer and the over 45,000 Americans who die from gunfire. I have less for the 67,000 Americans who knowingly choose to become addicted to a drug that is very dangerous and overdose. They are not victims they are participants. They chose their sad end. I had an excellent dentist who knowingly became addicted to F******l and was found at a rest stop dead because he chose to use a drug.

This isn’t Biden’s fault this is the fault of those who chose a very risky high and and lost the gamble.
Pulled from Quora... br br Try not to dismiss it,... (show quote)


Do you not think a open border run by the Mexican drug cartels isn’t the main contributor to the deaths from illegal drugs coming across the southern borders directly from China, who seems to own joe Biden and his cartel?

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Mar 19, 2023 12:55:04   #
older and wiser
 
Puds wrote:
Over 100,000 dead from F******L!


Each year!

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Mar 19, 2023 12:57:12   #
older and wiser
 
Strycker wrote:
I'll address the Biden part of your post first. If you allow the amount of f******l to double it only makes sense that the amount intercepted also increases. It's not really a win to intercept more if you also allow more to go un-intercepted. The amount of f******l crossing the border has skyrocketed under Biden policies. That's just fact.

As far as the responsibility of the end user taking their own risks. Much of the illegal f******l crossing the border is disguised as something else such as candy or other opiates. The end user has no idea if they are buying legally manufactured drugs or illegally manufactured drugs. That's a problem.

The idea of addiction being a self choice is true to a point. The question is what to do about it? Obviously the "war on drugs" for the last 60 years has been a total failure. So, if you believe the end user is the real problem, how do you suggest the problem of the end user should be handled? Casting blame and solving a problem are two different things.
I'll address the Biden part of your post first. If... (show quote)


A direct failure that was the result of Biden cartel opening up southern border and 100% Biden’s fault!

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Mar 19, 2023 13:01:44   #
older and wiser
 
permafrost wrote:
Interesting information..

Looking at the OP, I should have pointed out that the thing I wanted to emphasize is the change of calling those users as Participants rather than victims.. As they are called locally.. after all they get into drug on their own, no one forces them to start.. Other than occasionally in the movies..

Anyway, thanks for the reply and information..


What if they were told it was something else, are they all disposables like aborted babies?

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Mar 19, 2023 13:03:26   #
older and wiser
 
Justice101 wrote:
Of course if the demand isn't there, then the drug cartels and drug pushers would be put out of business. That isn't likely to happen here in the United States, when parents aren't held responsible for the violent actions of their children. We live in a privileged society where many societal norms are ignored or thrown away altogether to please the sinful and hedonistic nature of the "participants".

The do what you want society that doesn’t want any responsibility for their bad choices is what we are living in now!

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Mar 19, 2023 13:04:25   #
older and wiser
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Well said...
I agree...
And would take it a step further...
Execute those who trafficked in drugs... Be they sellers or users...


Or presidents that do nothing to stop it!

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Mar 19, 2023 13:05:13   #
older and wiser
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
About 3/4 of the gun deaths are suicides. Last time I looked, that was a choice also.


The other 25% or more by b****s!

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Mar 19, 2023 13:06:20   #
older and wiser
 
JFlorio wrote:
F******l is now the leading cause of death for Americans between ages 18-45.


And Biden is on top of the problem, NOT!

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Mar 19, 2023 13:09:16   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
older and wiser wrote:
Do you not think a open border run by the Mexican drug cartels isn’t the main contributor to the deaths from illegal drugs coming across the southern borders directly from China, who seems to own joe Biden and his cartel?


Do you understand that what your post claims is not in anyway true?

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Mar 19, 2023 13:14:43   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
older and wiser wrote:
What if they were told it was something else, are they all disposables like aborted babies?


That "if" along with others is why some druggies are sent to rehab time and again, while others are sent to prison for a decade or more.. Huge as the drug problem is, I have no doubt you are correct in saying that sometimes happens. But I do not think it is even close to the norm..

Stormy world we live in these days..
Stormy world we live in these days.....

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Mar 19, 2023 13:17:50   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
permafrost wrote:
The border problem has been with us for generations.. I think the only way to get close to control is to change some laws. More or less the rewriting of I*********n l*ws and enforcement of those laws as written. Now the single largest incentive for the border crossings are the jobs which are given and the of penalization when discovered. As far as drug use goes, I think we lost that war long ago.. I have no idea how to halt that epidemic..

No one is trying to start WWlll, and it is not money we are sending to Ukraine but aid, both humanitarian and military... While Putin is losing, it will require much more losing before he ends his invasion.. as He is the proven enemy of America, we would be the very big losers if the support of Ukraine was stopped by ourselves and the other 40 plus nations who are sending aid..
The border problem has been with us for generation... (show quote)




You say no one is trying to start WwIII? But then you say 40 plus other nations are involved. What do you think that adds up to? It sounds like world is involved now. The longer this goes on the worse it will get. The price America is paying and the in it till the end stance by Biden can not be repaid by the Ukrainian even in the unlikely event that they win. But war has no winners. Some battles do but in the end we will be lucky to just get back to where we where before it all started. And for what?

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Mar 19, 2023 13:28:22   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
nonalien1 wrote:
You say no one is trying to start WwIII? But then you say 40 plus other nations are involved. What do you think that adds up to? It sounds like world is involved now. The longer this goes on the worse it will get. The price America is paying and the in it till the end stance by Biden can not be repaid by the Ukrainian even in the unlikely event that they win. But war has no winners. Some battles do but in the end we will be lucky to just get back to where we where before it all started. And for what?
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What the nations are attempting to do is punish the invader of a country who has been independent for decades..

Putin has no right at all to move in and try inslaving Ukraine, if he succeeds doing so, he will not stop. Just as he did not stop after Georgia..

Yes, Putin is deranged, but he still knows that he can not win a war with the west, if such a thing started he and Russia would be destroyed down to a slag heap.. what we need is to find a way for Putin to save face when he finds he must leave..

time passes, things change and we should never expect to get back to the way things were.. can not happen..

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Mar 19, 2023 13:55:32   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
permafrost wrote:
What the nations are attempting to do is punish the invader of a country who has been independent for decades..

Putin has no right at all to move in and try inslaving Ukraine, if he succeeds doing so, he will not stop. Just as he did not stop after Georgia..

Yes, Putin is deranged, but he still knows that he can not win a war with the west, if such a thing started he and Russia would be destroyed down to a slag heap.. what we need is to find a way for Putin to save face when he finds he must leave..

time passes, things change and we should never expect to get back to the way things were.. can not happen..
What the nations are attempting to do is punish th... (show quote)



Agree with your last couple sentences. Do not believe Putin wants Ukraine nor is he trying to rebuild the old USSR . He is smarter then that. More negotiating needs to be done Putin said the war will end at a table not in the battle field. We have stopped Zalinsky from going to the table why?

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