dwp66

No, I read about the nursing home stuff in Wisconsin some time ago, so it sure as heck wasn't "repressed". It's here @ AP, for example, on Nov 3rd:

https://apnews.com/article/c****av***s-p******c-e******ns-wisconsin-health-local-e******ns-59795e4ec44828a20639ca22ca73331b

No question about some people being helped to fill out b****ts, something that has been done legally in nursing homes for years, and most likely some of them were shady (although not enough to flip an e******n, by any means). But... what you said was that they "all" were Dem v**es - and there is zero evidence of that in your link. None. Nada.

dwp66

"Bump doesn't know s**t" HaHaHaHa!

Cognitive Dissonance strikes again! It's a 𝒇𝒓𝒆𝒂𝒌𝒊𝒏' 𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒗𝒊𝒆𝒘 with D'Souza himself! And, in fact, most of it is D'Souza doing the talking! Don't take my word for it, read it yourself (warning, it's about a 20 minute read or more). See for yourself how he tries to explain the lack of evidence in his movie.

"𝑰𝒕'𝒔 𝒏𝒐𝒕 𝒘𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒅𝒐𝒏'𝒕 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒘𝒊𝒍𝒍 𝒈𝒆𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒐 𝒕𝒓𝒐𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒆. 𝑰𝒕'𝒔 𝒘𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒚𝒐𝒖 𝒌𝒏𝒐𝒘, 𝒇𝒐𝒓 𝒔𝒖𝒓𝒆, 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒋𝒖𝒔𝒕 𝒂𝒊𝒏'𝒕 𝒔𝒐."

Mark Twain

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/17/discussing-gaps-2000-mules-with-dinesh-dsouza/

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Trump had some evidence to that regard but it wasn't heard.

dwp66

Really? But still, >you< heard it? Could it be the stuff he said at his July rally about how “thousands and thousands and thousands of crooked v**es” came out of nursing homes in Wisconsin? 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒉𝒂𝒔 𝒑𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒆𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒛𝒆𝒓𝒐 𝒆𝒗𝒊𝒅𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒐𝒇 𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒔 𝒄𝒍𝒂𝒊𝒎 except for the one report by Michael Gableman, 𝒘𝒉𝒐 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒉𝒊𝒓𝒆𝒅 𝒃𝒚 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝑹𝒆𝒑𝒖𝒃𝒍𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒔 in the state Assembly as a special counsel to look into the state’s 2020 e******n process. Among other things, the report, released on March 1, claimed that the “Wisconsin E******ns Commission (WEC) unlawfully directed clerks to violate rules protecting nursing home residents, resulting in a 100% v****g rate in many nursing homes in 2020, including many ineligible v**ers.” The bipartisan WEC implemented the rule change, and state officials and a news investigation have disputed the 100% v****g rate., state officials, and a news investigation have disputed the 100% v****g rate claims."

Imo, the only thing Trump has shown evidence for is being a compulsive, lying, narcissist. I'll use your logic: "prove me wrong".

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

From a Biden guy, your words are pretty hollow.

dwp66

And you are, apparently, out of any logical arguments for rebuttal. OK.

Btw, I'm not necessarily a "Biden guy", although I do think the man saved us from four more years of the daily cringeworthy, embarrassing, lying bulls**t from that POTUS. So, thanks, Joe! Do I want him to run again? On that topic I'm somewhat ambivalent because overall I would like to see younger candidates. On the plus side, he's gotten more done in 2 years than Trump did in 4, imo, and for the first time in decades we have investment in infrastructure and U.S. produced technology. It's about time.

Hope you had a great Thanksgiving.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

More done in two years than Trump in four? Oh. Phuck no, you loser!! You just blew ANY credibility you had right out of the water. Biden has done more HARM in two years than ANY president in history. Every single American knows that.

I know you now. You're a Democrat influencer. Paid troll. Get thee behind my ass, f**e.

You lose!!!!

dwp66

dwp66

I'm talking about meaningful legislation passed, you know, something besides a "tax cut" for Big Businesses. And I can back that up with the empirical evidence. I tried hard to keep the conversation civil - in spite of you. Didn't throw any ad hominem remarks your way, but you represent the reason why I think that any discussion with MAGA cultists is like trying to dig a hole in the sand with a spoon...

You know nothing about me except that I am a Democrat - and your dogma won't allow for anything except agreeing with you. So be it. You couldn't debate yourself out of a wet paper bag, Imo.

"You lose"? If you sleep better thinking that, then go right ahead. I am one Lib you will never own.

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

You're right, you have been rather civil, for an influencer. Most are a bit more rude and offensive.

My apologies.

I'll differ with you on meaningful legislation. It was the tax cut that jimp started the economy out of its slowest recovery in history. The removal of excessive regs helped a lot as well.

Trumps foreign policy was his strength. He shutdown Kim, altered the trade with China via his tariff war, which I think is still in place. He also sanctioned Russia more than anyone. Remember Biden removing some of that allowing Russia to complete their connection to Germany.

He also cooperated with Russia and allowed Russia to defeat ISIS and settle things down in the ME, not to mention the Abraham accords.

He changed trade agreements and set up new ones. Businesses were motivated to return to the US. Our energy production had us very early energy independent as Trump worked with the Saudis to keep oil prices up so that fracking could be profitable.

He dealt with the border rather than ignoring it and lying about it as this admin does.

I ain't a MAGA person, persay, but I liked what Trump was doing despite the 24/7 distractions of the Trump hating l*****ts.

All that in mind, tell me we are better off since Biden took over.

Was that cordial enough for ya?

dwp66

"It was the tax cut that jimp started the economy out of its slowest recovery in history. The removal of excessive regs helped a lot as well."

First of all, your description of anyone here, including myself, as an "influencer" is downright silly. You really think that people are paid to come to OPP and try to change minds? HaHaHa...that's actually ludicrous! 𝑰 𝒂𝒎 𝒘𝒆𝒍𝒍 𝒂𝒘𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒕𝒉𝒂𝒕 𝒏𝒐 𝒎𝒊𝒏𝒅𝒔 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒄𝒉𝒂𝒏𝒈𝒆𝒅 𝒉𝒆𝒓𝒆! Aren't you, nwtk2007? I mean, is anyone here actually going to change your mind? About anything? Really...influencer?...Jeez Louise.

I am just a retired IT guy, a regular ol' person who is simply inquisitive about the thinking on the "other side", which OPP certainly is! I bet Righties outnumber Libs here 10 or 20 to 1. Amiright? But anyway...

2017 Tax Bill is the ONLY piece of real legislation you cite - This is the 𝒐𝒏𝒍𝒚 𝒑𝒊𝒆𝒄𝒆 𝒐𝒇 𝒔𝒊𝒈𝒏𝒊𝒇𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒏𝒕 𝒍𝒆𝒈𝒊𝒔𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝑻𝒓𝒖𝒎𝒑 𝒑𝒂𝒔𝒔𝒆𝒅, so I knew you would list it. However, most of the promises made by Repubs regarding that tax cut have really not come to pass. We were told it would pay for itself, right? But it hasn't - the CBO estimates the results long term show it paying about 1/5 of what it cost us, about 1.8 Trillion $ (and increased the deficit by $1.455 trillion). Big Business made out like bandits, though. True, it resulted in some U.S. investments, but not nearly enough to justify itself. In 2019 2/3 of the major U.S. Corporations used their new-found monies to 𝒃𝒖𝒚 𝒃𝒂𝒄𝒌 𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒊𝒓 𝒐𝒘𝒏 𝒔𝒕𝒐𝒄𝒌, not invest in new buildings, people, or equipment. Go Google "Did the US economy benefit from 2017 tax bill" and see for yourself. Bloomberg, Forbes, Business Insider, etc. all have the same opinion as I do. You'll have to look very hard to find many economists that praise that Bill.

Further, his "Foreign Policy" 𝒘𝒂𝒔 𝒃𝒂𝒔𝒊𝒄𝒂𝒍𝒍𝒚 𝒏𝒐𝒏𝒆𝒙𝒊𝒔𝒕𝒆𝒏𝒕, unless you want to count his "love letters" to Kim. (He "shut him down"? Nope. He continued to launch missiles, and still does to this day.) He alienated many of our longest & most strategic allies and actually questioned the necessity of NATO. IMO, Trump was probably the most ignorant POTUS we have ever had when it came to knowledge of the world around us.

We have never reached energy "independence" if you are just talking about oil. It has been 69 𝒚𝒆𝒂𝒓𝒔 since the U.S. has produced enough petroleum to meet the daily domestic demand of now 18.684 million barrels per day. We still import most months of the year. Our "independence" is real, but due to other forms of power - like wind, solar, nuclear - being added to the equation, and that started under Obama. Don't take my word for it, check it out and reach your own conclusion.

Finally, there is really no question of who has accomplished more solid legislation to help the American populace, because the Dems own that arena and always have. Social Security, the 40 Hour work week, child labor laws, civil rights, Women's suffrage, a long list that we can thank Dems for - and that Republicans opposed at the time. Sadly, what was once a vibrant Conservative Party has degenerated into what we see today: Republicans, these days, are far more interested in culture wars, CRT, banning books, having the State control women's bodies, and making Americans lose trust in our Democratic norms, including the Supreme Court. They nominate ridiculous people like Marjorie Greene and Herschel Walker and Matt Gaetz who have 𝒛𝒆𝒓𝒐 𝒊𝒏𝒕𝒆𝒓𝒆𝒔𝒕 𝒊𝒏 𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒖𝒂𝒍 𝒍𝒆𝒈𝒊𝒔𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 - making a mockery of those like John McCain and Teddy Roosevelt and Dwight D. Eisenhower, true Conservatives who definitely had a platform & policies. (Unfortunately, today, even Reagan wouldn't be far right enough for some of these people), and they haven't had a coherent "Platform" or "policies" for years now. Meanwhile, Biden has managed to push through historic legislation in many areas, including infrastructure (a running joke in the prior Administration, always promised but never, ever, done). The first meaningful attempt to combat c*****e c****e. The first Marijuana sentencing reforms, ever. The CHIPS bill, to stimulate U.S. production of high-end computer chips. It's an impressive list to anyone who is not a rightie. Just one bill did this:

Infrastructure - in Billions of Dollars

Roads & Bridges - 134
Intercity rail - 49.9
Mass t***sit - 43.4
Airports - 24.2
Water resources -14.8
Broadband - 61.8
Clean drinking water/wastewater facilities - 62.5
Other - 148.0

When is the last time a Republican POTUS did anything of the sort? Answer: Eisenhower's Interstate Highway Bill.

Trump didn't get elected on "policy". He simply went after people that a lot of the populace also h**ed and made public bigotry OK again...and they loved him for it.

dwp66

BTW, Here's U.S. GNP from 2006 until now. Other than the p******c stuff it's a completely upward curve from 2010 forward. I don't see any "jump starts" at all from Trump's tax cuts.