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Putin’s threats to use nuclear weapons in Ukraine gives insight into the mind of a Russian fuhrer who’s realised he might just lose the war
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Nov 8, 2022 16:02:51   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And while Russia was doing all this that you claim, the US was just going to church, giving to charities, taking old ladies to the grocery store, and praying for peace in the world. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you read this???

Let's review. Crimea took a v**e in the early 1900's to switch to Moscow rule from Kiev. The USSR approved of that and allowed Crimea to come under control of Moscow. After the break up of the USSR, Ukraine elected a pro-Russia president but the US and the West drummed up protests that forced a "new e******n" and low and behold, the pro-western candidate was declared the winner. LOL! Five years later the pro-Russian candidate won once again. The west against drummed up protests and r**ting protesting the pro-Russian president. In 2014 the west and US instigated a c**p, installing a pro-western president once again.

At that time Crimea opted to be annexed by Russia and the people's of the donbas had a referendum, v****g to be independent of Ukraine. This started 8 years of civil war in which Ukraine military k**led 14,000 men, women and children of the donbas; shelling neighborhoods, churches, schools, everything. When the west and Ukraine refused to listen to Putin, he elected to take it to the next level and invaded. Putin, citing the atrocities perpetrated upon the donbas people by the Ukraine military and the expansion of NATO, Putin made it clear what he intended.

This is not widely known in the west and US but it is common knowledge over there. We are supporting an evil and corrupt regime.
And while Russia was doing all this that you claim... (show quote)


Where did you read yours? I'm old enough to have lived through and witnessed all this. Both regimes are evil and corrupt.

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Nov 8, 2022 16:06:22   #
BIRDMAN
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
And while Russia was doing all this that you claim, the US was just going to church, giving to charities, taking old ladies to the grocery store, and praying for peace in the world. LOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you read this???

Let's review. Crimea took a v**e in the early 1900's to switch to Moscow rule from Kiev. The USSR approved of that and allowed Crimea to come under control of Moscow. After the break up of the USSR, Ukraine elected a pro-Russia president but the US and the West drummed up protests that forced a "new e******n" and low and behold, the pro-western candidate was declared the winner. LOL! Five years later the pro-Russian candidate won once again. The west against drummed up protests and r**ting protesting the pro-Russian president. In 2014 the west and US instigated a c**p, installing a pro-western president once again.

At that time Crimea opted to be annexed by Russia and the people's of the donbas had a referendum, v****g to be independent of Ukraine. This started 8 years of civil war in which Ukraine military k**led 14,000 men, women and children of the donbas; shelling neighborhoods, churches, schools, everything. When the west and Ukraine refused to listen to Putin, he elected to take it to the next level and invaded. Putin, citing the atrocities perpetrated upon the donbas people by the Ukraine military and the expansion of NATO, Putin made it clear what he intended.

This is not widely known in the west and US but it is common knowledge over there. We are supporting an evil and corrupt regime.
And while Russia was doing all this that you claim... (show quote)


Awesome thank you

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Nov 8, 2022 18:30:53   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Where did you read yours? I'm old enough to have lived through and witnessed all this. Both regimes are evil and corrupt.


You have to piece it together. There is a lot of just the factual historical events on Wiki but the attitudes and politics you have to do some digging all over the place.

You can figure out some thing from some of the Wiki accounts. Read about Poroshenko. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko

Look at what they say were his campaign slogans. ----- "Poroshenko's domestic policy promoted the Ukrainian language, nationalism, inclusive capitalism, decommunization, and administrative decentralization. In 2018, Poroshenko helped create the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine, separating Ukrainian churches from the Moscow Patriarch**e. His presidency was distilled into a three-word slogan, employed by both supporters and opponents: armiia, mova, vira (English: military, language, faith).[8]"

Read about their presidents and there are tidbits within the writings. Read about the civil war. Most here don't even know about that. And look at articles and read the comments from the people of the region. It's all there, you just have to dig it out.

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Nov 8, 2022 19:34:41   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Exactly what are you referring to as sad?


The inability to separate fact from fiction...

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Nov 8, 2022 19:46:20   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You have to piece it together. There is a lot of just the factual historical events on Wiki but the attitudes and politics you have to do some digging all over the place.

You can figure out some thing from some of the Wiki accounts. Read about Poroshenko. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Petro_Poroshenko

Look at what they say were his campaign slogans. ----- "Poroshenko's domestic policy promoted the Ukrainian language, nationalism, inclusive capitalism, decommunization, and administrative decentralization. In 2018, Poroshenko helped create the autocephalous Orthodox Church of Ukraine, separating Ukrainian churches from the Moscow Patriarch**e. His presidency was distilled into a three-word slogan, employed by both supporters and opponents: armiia, mova, vira (English: military, language, faith).[8]"

Read about their presidents and there are tidbits within the writings. Read about the civil war. Most here don't even know about that. And look at articles and read the comments from the people of the region. It's all there, you just have to dig it out.
You have to piece it together. There is a lot of ... (show quote)


"You have to piece it together. There is a lot of just factual historical events on Wiki but the attitudes and politics you have to do some digging all over the place."

So you think I don't do this digging and piecing together? You haven't paid much attention to what I post and the sources I use. We don't have to agree. Neither you nor I have a monopoly on information, facts, or t***h. This is why I don't rely on Wikipedia, a less-than-reliable source. Remember that the four elements of a nation's power are known as the DIME Theory = Diplomatic, Informational, Military, and Economic. All four need to be considered and pieced together because they are interdependent.

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Nov 8, 2022 19:55:46   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
The inability to separate fact from fiction...


If you are referring to the left, Yes!

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Nov 8, 2022 20:01:58   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Russia has been pursuing an aggressive multi-faceted strategy of cyber attacks and information warfare campaigns to exploit rifts in American and European society through propaganda, disinformation, and political subversion to advance their interests beyond its borders despite Obama’s red line. Putin’s only conclusion was that America would not respond. As a result, we witnessed the first time since WWII that European borders changed by force with the annexation of Crimea because Putin’s overarching goal has been to restore Russia as a great power.

The USA’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program and Freedom Support Act aimed to assist Russia through the traumatic t***sition from a c*******t government and reduce dangers and complications. However, Putin viewed this as an affront to Russian sovereignty and an effort to exploit weakness. Putin has designed his foreign policy to subvert Western democracies and intimidate neighbors because he recognizes the connection between foreign policy and popularity at home. This policy led to attacks in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, and the removal of opposition candidates from the b****ts in the Moscow City Duma e******ns. Putin would rather use the “Gerasimov Doctrine.” to d**g others down, weaken rival states, unravel strategic alliance networks, and c*****t e******ns, rather than build Russia up.

Just in Ukraine, Russia supplied over $300 million dollars to support Viktor Yanukovych’s campaign for President, and probably poisoned Viktor Yuschenko, his main runoff opponent. Additionally, Putin’s Russia interfered with the e******n outcome by stuffing b****t boxes and busing v**ers from polling station to polling station. Putin gets away with murder by using disinformation and propaganda to create confusion and plausible deniability so that others doubt what should be believed. But if you want to believe Putin's lies, do so at your own peril but not the United States'.
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***Just in Ukraine, Russia supplied over $300 million dollars to support Viktor Yanukovych’s campaign for President, and probably poisoned Viktor Yuschenko, his main runoff opponent. Additionally, Putin’s Russia interfered with the e******n outcome by stuffing b****t boxes and busing v**ers from polling station to polling station. Putin gets away with murder by using disinformation and propaganda to create confusion and plausible deniability so that others doubt what should be believed. But if you want to believe Putin's lies, do so at your own peril but not the United States'.

>>>Sounds like the democrat playbook in America.

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Nov 8, 2022 20:04:53   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
Well said and historically correct.

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Nov 9, 2022 18:22:43   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
"You have to piece it together. There is a lot of just factual historical events on Wiki but the attitudes and politics you have to do some digging all over the place."

So you think I don't do this digging and piecing together? You haven't paid much attention to what I post and the sources I use. We don't have to agree. Neither you nor I have a monopoly on information, facts, or t***h. This is why I don't rely on Wikipedia, a less-than-reliable source. Remember that the four elements of a nation's power are known as the DIME Theory = Diplomatic, Informational, Military, and Economic. All four need to be considered and pieced together because they are interdependent.
i "You have to piece it together. There is... (show quote)


You seem to be denying the t***h of what I am telling you or you don't think the abuse of Russians in Crimea and the donbas of significant.

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Nov 9, 2022 20:57:22   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
You seem to be denying the t***h of what I am telling you or you don't think the abuse of Russians in Crimea and the donbas of significant.


You seem awfully defensive about your position. I'm not denying the t***h or thinking that the abuse is insignificant.

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Nov 9, 2022 20:59:11   #
nwtk2007 Loc: Texas
 
dtucker300 wrote:
You seem awfully defensive about your position. I'm not denying the t***h or thinking that the abuse is insignificant.


Not defensive, I can assure you. These are just the facts that so many ignore when assessing what is going on there. But I will admit to seeing little difference between Trump h**ers and Putin h**ers. No offense.

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