You should consider a bit of the history of the region before buying into the west's propaganda on this war. If it becomes nuclear, it might be because we corned Putin and didn't have the wisdom to ease up. The following is by logically right, an OPP participant and conservative.



++++Remember what we did when we defeated Japan. We rebuilt them. Remember what we did when we defeated Germany. We rebuilt them. Remember what we did when we defeated the USSR, or they just internally collapsed, we t***sfered out h**e to Russia directly. We never really reached out to help them rebuild and make them a friend. And when Putin took over, we really went full h**e on them. Putin, bad, ex KGB. And Clinton was already going after NATO expansion into the old Warsaw Pact nations after America told Gorbachev that NATO had no interest in expanding east and promised that, if Russia would allow East and West Germany to reunite. Our side has been all lies ever since.

NATO was created as a defensive force against the Warsaw Pact. Since the Warsaw Pact disbanded and all of those nations went independent, their was ZERO need for NATO to exist. And all of those Independent nations between the West and Russia were a great buffer between any belief in a need to protect against this mystical hostile power, Russia. But yet, NATO continued to this day in expanding, and as we can see with this hostile biased press, doing wh**ever is possible to block any alternative viewpoints regarding Russia. They continue to try to encircle Russia on their east, to contain them. Like a massive Boa Constrictor trying to wrap itself around a Big Bear. And then they wonder why the Bear suddenly lashes out.

And lashing out really escalated in 2014. That is when NATO, EU, Britain, & America (obama, biden, clinton & Nuland) instigated, financed and directed that illegal c**p in Ukraine. And the Eastern Ukrainians said 'no f*cking way'. Putin finally also had to say, 'no f*cking way'.++++

Mike,
You are 100% on target IMHO.

The PTB aka Deep State war mongers started poisoning us against Putin during Trump's presidency run.
Putin was pulled in and the guilty party was Hillary Clinton. Trump was innocent.

That article Tuck posted was pinned in England.
Remember that's where City of London and Rothschild's are and they are pissed as their/our currency is on the ropes.
( Petrodollar )

Russia, China, India and apparently OPEC is not happy with the old fait currency of Rothschild's/ City of London.
Word is England may be behind the Russia gas pipeline explosion 💥.

I wouldn't put much faith in anything published in Britain implying Russia started this mess. There's quite a history and we need to stay out of this not take out 101st airborne military troops over there.
Just remember: "all wars are bankers wars".
And remember where the article came from.

Thanks for reposting what I wrote. I'll have to finish that after the e******n.

I read a few paragraphs of the original post and that was all I could stomach. Propaganda. NWTK has also posted some good stuff showing some stuff on the other side of the equation. Both sides lie and try to pump up their own side. But, really, this is getting stupid. There is absolutely zero opinions and stories in American press about the eastern Ukrainians and their side of this war. Believe it. They are people. Millions of them. And from 2014 and the start of obama's c**p to 2022, about 14,000 people died in eastern Ukraine. People fighting for their freedom from those that would dictate to them and their militant branch or m*****a the AZOV battalion, full of proud N**IS. They talk about the Russians torturing civilians. Guess what folks. The AZOV battalion and others had secret torture chambers from 2014 to 2022. These people in this part of the world were not little pampered princes and princesses. They often had brutal lives and histories and they didn't care who they k**led. And it goes back centuries with conquests back and forth. There is no real historical Ukraine. It is just the boundaries of the moment. And because of obama and company, another war festered and finally blew up. But it started in 2014 with dictatorial rules put onto the eastern Ukrainians that they refused to accept. It was just nasty s**t from the new rulers obama and company put in charge of Ukraine after their illegal c**p. Wake the F*ck up people. biden is just carrying out what obama started and doubling down on everything. He started the war by pushing Putin beyond the breaking point. And all while arming Ukraine to fight this war he can't fight himself. And I'd love to, as he has suggested himself, take that POS POTUS behind the barn and teach him a thing or two. For the sake of the world he is so actively trying to destroy.
Enough for tonight. I have to get up tomorrow and v**e for every candidate I can that is against that POS.

Here you go, less disjointed for you.

The news that Vladimir Putin has openly discussed using nuclear weapons against Ukraine with President Macron should shock but not surprise us. The Russian dictator has crossed so many red lines in the course of this war – the indiscriminate bombing of civilian targets such as residential flats and hospitals, the repeated breaking of ceasefire agreements over humanitarian corridors, the use of white phosphorus and thermobaric weapons. Then there’s the flattening by 500kg bombs of the Mariupol theatre where children had been sheltering (the word ‘children’ was prominently displayed in large Cyrillic Russian lettering), the deliberate use of rape and torture and the attempted disposal of the evidence in mass graves. Little can genuinely shock us now. Yet we must examine our consciences and recognise that Putin’s threats to use nuclear weapons against Ukraine should indeed shock us all over again, however repulsively he has behaved so far.

Nuclear warfare is a Rubicon. And if Putin crosses it, that must mark him as an international pariah whose ousting will be the duty of any world leader worthy of the name. Of course, as ever with him, the remarks that Putin made about the precedents for his intended action were couched in ignorance. When he claimed that ‘you don’t have to bomb the major cities to win a war’ – a sinister reference to the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki – he ignored the fact that the larger Jap anese cities of Tokyo and Kyoto had already seen terrible destruction by then. Similarly, Berlin suffered huge casualties before the war was won against Germany.To equate the Allied destruction of Hiroshima and Nagasaki to end a world war against f*****m in which about 60 million people had died after six years, with the maniacal dreams of today’s Russian fuhrer is to delve into the mind of a dictator who is starting to recognise that he might lose the war he so stupidly started.

As with his historically illiterate 6,500-word essay of July 2021 entitled ‘On the Historical Unity of the Russian and Ukrainian Peoples’, which was intended to provide the intellectual justification for his invasion of Ukraine the following February, Putin’s grasp of history is dangerously weak considering the vast weight he places on it to justify actions with devastating real-life consequences for millions of people. The signs are that the Russian high command knows it will have to give up Kherson in the south, the only major Ukrainian city it has captured in this war so far. Senior commanders are evacuating, leaving only untrained conscripts to try to hold up the relentless Ukrainian advance. Kherson is nearly 400 miles to the east of the disputed Donbas region, and when it falls – which many experts are predicting will happen before Christmas – there will be no Russian-occupied city to the west of the Dnipro river.

It is, therefore, possible that Putin’s disgracefully inflammatory remarks regarding nuclear weapons are merely a bluff to distract from his coming humiliation, more of the same nuclear brinkmanship in which he has indulged regularly since the invasion, often when things are going badly. On occasion he and his defence minister Sergei Lavrov have brought up the nuclear option to try to split Nato. Indeed, mentioning it to Macron, who is notoriously the least anti-Putin of the major Western leaders, and the most open to an negotiated ‘off-ramp’ settlement, might be just the latest iteration of this bluffing, combined with the macho posturing that Putin enjoys. At least this time he did it with his shirt on. If he truly thinks he will win the Russo-Ukrainian War with nuclear weapons, he has still not taken the measure of the Ukrainian people, let alone understood the limits of the rest of the world’s patience.

So far, China, India, Iran, Pakistan and several other major countries upon which what is left of the Russian economy depends, have indulged Putin to a far greater degree than they would have if it had been a democratic Western-leaning nation that had t***sgressed so foully against every decent international norm. Selling huge amounts of cheap oil and gas, buying weapons, and generally acting as a thorn in the side of the West, Putin has been a useful friend for these countries, which have not yet denounced him in the United Nations. Yet were Putin to let off a nuclear bomb, all of those countries except Iran would be forced to sever ties with Russia – partly because of their own on-the-record denunciation of nuclear first-use, but also because the revulsion would be felt strongly by their own populations. Putin only has four allies in the United Nations today – the paradises of Syria, Belarus, North Korea and Eritrea – but 30 that regularly abstain in v**es rather than condemn what is happening in Ukraine. A nuclear bomb would force them off the fence, and declare Putin an international leper.

All it would take would be for the wind to change direction after a nuclear attack for leukaemia-inducing clouds of fallout to drift towards Belarus, Russian-held Crimea, or south-western Russia itself. Such considerations might even induce anti-Putin elements in the military to refuse to undertake such a clearly immoral order as to use even tactical nuclear weapons in a war that is not existential for Mother Russia. It would certainly revivify internal opposition to Putin within Russia, depleted somewhat recently by the exodus of the intelligentsia and educated middle classes, but still bravely led by the political prisoner Alexei Navalny.

In retrospect, for all that Ukraine was lauded internationally for giving up her nuclear weapons under the Budapest Agreement in 1994, it proved an appalling misjudgment. Then there’s the flattening by 500kg bombs of the Mariupol theatre where children had been sheltering. Were Putin to use a nuclear weapon, the message would go out to every country that could build one – Japan, Germany, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Jordan and Egypt among them – that they needed nukes as soon as possible. The consequences for global proliferation, and thus Armageddon, would be incalculable. All this is before considering what Nato might have to undertake in response to such a monstrous escalation of the war, or indeed what the Ukrainians themselves might do. Certainly, surrender is not an option because they have seen what comes of Russian occupation in places where mass graves have been unearthed, such as Bucha, Mariupol and Izyum.

If today President Zelensky was presented with an opportunity to have the highly capable Ukrainian secret services and special forces smuggle a dirty bomb into Red Square in Moscow, he would not take it. After Putin had let off a nuclear weapon against his homeland, why would he hesitate? You might not have to ‘bomb the major cities to win a war,’ but what if the Ukrainians, in response to an attack, were to make the Kremlin and its environs uninhabitable for three generations?

Vladimir Putin is faced with what for him might genuinely be an existential decision. We know he has practised and wargamed the use of nuclear weapons, and now he is openly discussing their use with a Western leader (who one hopes was at least eloquent in dissuasion). The fact that no leaders in the world today beyond Kim Jong-un and the Iranian mullahs make such nuclear threats shows us where Putin has now reached in his terrifying descent into evil.

Russia has been pursuing an aggressive multi-faceted strategy of cyber attacks and information warfare campaigns to exploit rifts in American and European society through propaganda, disinformation, and political subversion to advance their interests beyond its borders despite Obama’s red line. Putin’s only conclusion was that America would not respond. As a result, we witnessed the first time since WWII that European borders changed by force with the annexation of Crimea because Putin’s overarching goal has been to restore Russia as a great power.

The USA’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program and Freedom Support Act aimed to assist Russia through the traumatic t***sition from a c*******t government and reduce dangers and complications. However, Putin viewed this as an affront to Russian sovereignty and an effort to exploit weakness. Putin has designed his foreign policy to subvert Western democracies and intimidate neighbors because he recognizes the connection between foreign policy and popularity at home. This policy led to attacks in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, and the removal of opposition candidates from the b****ts in the Moscow City Duma e******ns. Putin would rather use the “Gerasimov Doctrine.” to d**g others down, weaken rival states, unravel strategic alliance networks, and c*****t e******ns, rather than build Russia up.

Just in Ukraine, Russia supplied over $300 million dollars to support Viktor Yanukovych’s campaign for President, and probably poisoned Viktor Yuschenko, his main runoff opponent. Additionally, Putin’s Russia interfered with the e******n outcome by stuffing b****t boxes and busing v**ers from polling station to polling station. Putin gets away with murder by using disinformation and propaganda to create confusion and plausible deniability so that others doubt what should be believed. But if you want to believe Putin's lies, do so at your own peril but not the United States'.

Russia has been pursuing an aggressive multi-faceted strategy of cyber attacks and information warfare campaigns to exploit rifts in American and European society through propaganda, disinformation, and political subversion to advance their interests beyond its borders despite Obama’s red line. Putin’s only conclusion was that America would not respond. As a result, we witnessed the first time since WWII that European borders changed by force with the annexation of Crimea because Putin’s overarching goal has been to restore Russia as a great power.

The USA’s Cooperative Threat Reduction Program and Freedom Support Act aimed to assist Russia through the traumatic t***sition from a c*******t government and reduce dangers and complications. However, Putin viewed this as an affront to Russian sovereignty and an effort to exploit weakness. Putin has designed his foreign policy to subvert Western democracies and intimidate neighbors because he recognizes the connection between foreign policy and popularity at home. This policy led to attacks in Chechnya, Georgia, Ukraine, Kyrgyzstan, and the removal of opposition candidates from the b****ts in the Moscow City Duma e******ns. Putin would rather use the “Gerasimov Doctrine.” to d**g others down, weaken rival states, unravel strategic alliance networks, and c*****t e******ns, rather than build Russia up.

Just in Ukraine, Russia supplied over $300 million dollars to support Viktor Yanukovych’s campaign for President, and probably poisoned Viktor Yuschenko, his main runoff opponent. Additionally, Putin’s Russia interfered with the e******n outcome by stuffing b****t boxes and busing v**ers from polling station to polling station. Putin gets away with murder by using disinformation and propaganda to create confusion and plausible deniability so that others doubt what should be believed. But if you want to believe Putin's lies, do so at your own peril but not the United States'.