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Oct 1, 2022 12:45:35   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
American Vet wrote:
Pointing out their inadequacies and problems is a 'constant attack'?

LOL

Upsets your little ELWNJ world.....


I can never understand why people like you and other trump supporters bother to try and refute facts that are so obvious.. foolish.. as ever..

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Oct 1, 2022 12:55:08   #
valkyrierider Loc: "Land of Trump"
 
permafrost wrote:
The only word of consequence in the article is "yet"... let us all wait until after a certified tipping point and then cry about the lateness of the hour..

Why are you people so defensive about the f****l f**l/climat connection? Do you own a lot of stock? most big players moved into renewables a couple years ago.. but do hang onto yours.. prove the world wrong..

By the way, what is the name of the journal which first printed the article?? Does anyone know?


You are a computer bot

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Oct 1, 2022 13:01:09   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
permafrost wrote:
I can never understand why people like you and other trump supporters bother to try and refute facts that are so obvious.. foolish.. as ever..


What facts?

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Oct 1, 2022 13:57:53   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
The "poll" is based on the remarks from trump troops on OPP who express the determination to not let renewables into the mix of energy production..


The Poll? From OPP? "Shirley," you jest!! I have not seen anyone express determination to not let renewables into the mix of energy production. They question the efficacy and cost perhaps.

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Oct 1, 2022 14:04:11   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
When someone posts a comment, the meaning may not be as obvious to others.. blaming Biden was the reason he was mentioned.

Why the h**e of renewable is so wide spread in the trump troops is a puzzle. Most people would at least try to be supportive of anything good for our country.. but no... only support the cash cow of the big oil corporations..

Shifting definitions... you must mean the change of "g****l w*****g" to "c*****e c****e" that was to make the issue more understandable to the nay sayers.. and easy peasy.. g****l w*****g is part and parcel of c*****e c****e..

Now that is not so difficult... even some trump troops may understand that fact..
When someone posts a comment, the meaning may not ... (show quote)


Nice deflection! [i]"Most people would at least try to be supportive of anything good for our country"i][/ except the l*****t progressive Democrats who want to immediately ban all f****l f**ls so that they can bankrupt the country. If they really supported this country they would allow oil drilling which would lower energy costs and relieve our allies' dependence on buying energy from totalitarian despots. The fact is, they h**e everything about America and want to destroy it!

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Oct 1, 2022 14:10:29   #
4430 Loc: Little Egypt ** Southern Illinory
 
permafrost wrote:
that is not true.. the money is coming from big oil to protect the cash cow they created..


I'd like to see some reliable source that shows this .

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Oct 1, 2022 14:11:33   #
American Vet
 
permafrost wrote:
I can never understand why people like you and other trump supporters bother to try and refute facts that are so obvious.. foolish.. as ever..


When you present facts.....I shall wait.

But what about the facts that belie your drivel? You carefully avoid those.

Do I need to add "H" (as in "hypocrite") to your CLPOS? CLHPOS-seems about right.

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Oct 1, 2022 15:36:32   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The Poll? From OPP? "Shirley," you jest!! I have not seen anyone express determination to not let renewables into the mix of energy production. They question the efficacy and cost perhaps.


do not remember the word Poll until someone else used it.. my comment was based only on observed comments.. I never took a poll..

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Oct 1, 2022 15:41:07   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
[quote=dtucker300]Nice deflection! [i]"Most people would at least try to be supportive of anything good for our country"i][/ except the l*****t progressive Democrats who want to immediately ban all f****l f**ls so that they can bankrupt the country. If they really supported this country they would allow oil drilling which would lower energy costs and relieve our allies' dependence on buying energy from totalitarian despots. The fact is, they h**e everything about America and want to destroy it![/quote]

Who in the world used the term immediately?? It is a done deal that it is happening, but not immediately and not completely.. no one to my knowledge has said anything about those two events which seem to be such a problem for the radical right..

for about the 1000 time... drilling more us oil will not do a thing. Big oil sell on a world wide market never a local market.. the oil drilled in the USA is dumped into this market and sold per bid..

The only Americans who h**e this nation are the trump troops, led by trump himself..

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Oct 1, 2022 15:57:00   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
4430 wrote:
I'd like to see some reliable source that shows this .



https://www.iflscience.com/who-funds-the-c*****e-c****e-denial-movement-53883

If you wish to understand why this mindset continues to struggle on, you can start by chasing the billions of dollars that have funded it over the past few decades.

Robert Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science at Drexel University, has carried out numerous studies looking at the funding behind the US c*****e c****e counter-movement. Through this work, he has unearthed the well-orchestrated network of foundations, corporations, think tanks, advocacy organizations, and trade associations that drive this ideology.

Reporting in the journal Climatic Change in 2013, Brulle highlighted that much of the funding for c*****e c****e-denial groups can be traced back to 140 different foundations. Between 2003 to 2010, these foundations were found to have sent over $558 million worth of grants and donations each year to 91 groups skeptical of c*****e c****e.

These funding foundations include the Searle Freedom Trust, the John William Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. It also includes foundations with more blatant links to the fossil oil industry, such as the ExxonMobil Foundation and Koch Family-affiliated foundations.

As one example, ExxonMobil Foundations – among some of the f****l f**l industry’s biggest players – were heavily invested in c*****e-c****e denial organizations in the past. InsideClimate News carried out a widely acclaimed investigation into how Exxon executives were warned about a possible catastrophe from greenhouse gas as far back as the 1970s, but then actively led efforts to hamper any solutions. They also launched efforts to sow uncertainty into the debate and delay widespread acceptance of c*****e c****e through lobbying, advertising, and grantmaking. These tactics have even been compared to big tobacco's attempts to cover up the damaging health effects of smoking.

“The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible,” Brulle said in a statement from 2013.

“Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about g****l w*****g and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat,” he added.

“At the very least, American v**ers deserve to know who is behind these efforts.”



Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Koch Family Foundations have spent $145,555,197 directly financing 90 groups that have attacked c*****e c****e science and policy solutions, from 1997-2018.

Airship Protests Koch Brothers Meeting
The Greenpeace Airship A.E. Bates flies over the location of Charles Koch's secret political strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California in January, 2011.

© Gus Ruelas / Greenpeace

Five-year Total (2013-2018): $$67,109,331

Kyoto-to-present Total (1997-2018): $145,556,729

Grand Total (1986-2018): $168,409,886

View all data and primary source documents: Koch Foundations Funding to Climate Denial Groups

Data above is sourced from annual IRS Form 990 filings by the Koch family foundations. Source documents are available in the “Source Docs” tab of the spreadsheet.



About Our Data:
Greenpeace uses 1997 as a benchmark year due to increased coordinated backlash against global climate negotiations leading to the Kyoto Protocol of 1998. We define c*****e c****e denial as “anyone who is obstructing, delaying or trying to derail policy steps that are in line with the scientific consensus that says we need to take rapid steps to decarbonize the economy.”

We do this to hold accountable those who do not state their intentions honestly. Most modern lobbyists do not deny the irrefutable science indicating that our planet is warming, but instead deny the need for viable solutions — such as a cost on industrial carbon pollution, energy efficiency, clean energy alternatives to f****l f**ls — as demonstrated by the science.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/koch-industries/

The Koch brothers continue to finance campaigns to make Americans doubt the seriousness of g****l w*****g, increasingly hiding money through nonprofits like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund.

Why focus on Charles Koch and David Koch? Many large foundations associated with corporate fortunes are active in financing climate denial groups — Anschutz, Bradley, Coors, DeVos, Dunn, Howard, Pope, Scaife, Searle, and Seid, to name a few.

Unlike Koch, most of those fortunes did not come from owning a corporation like Koch Industries, historically rooted in f****l f**l operations. And none come as close as the Kochs in terms of decades-long focus on actively building a political influence network and coordinating other wealthy executives, corporations and families to dump amounts money into politics that not even the Koch brothers could afford.

See profiles of Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups
How Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups Work Together – Animation by Taki Oldham:


Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was “the biggest company you’ve never heard of.” Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $127 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping g****l w*****g, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they’ve made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It’s timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they’re up to.

A growing awareness of these oil billionaires’ destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.

Download Our Full Reports
Koch Industries: Still Fueling Climate Denial, 2011 Update
Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Bill Koch: The Dirty Money Behind Cape Wind Opposition
The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution. This money is typically funneled through one of three “charitable” foundations the Kochs have set up: the now-defunct Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation; the Charles Koch Foundation; the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation; and the Knowledge and Progress Fund, which exclusively directs Koch money to Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund.



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Oct 1, 2022 19:33:40   #
BIRDMAN
 
permafrost wrote:
https://www.iflscience.com/who-funds-the-c*****e-c****e-denial-movement-53883

If you wish to understand why this mindset continues to struggle on, you can start by chasing the billions of dollars that have funded it over the past few decades.

Robert Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science at Drexel University, has carried out numerous studies looking at the funding behind the US c*****e c****e counter-movement. Through this work, he has unearthed the well-orchestrated network of foundations, corporations, think tanks, advocacy organizations, and trade associations that drive this ideology.

Reporting in the journal Climatic Change in 2013, Brulle highlighted that much of the funding for c*****e c****e-denial groups can be traced back to 140 different foundations. Between 2003 to 2010, these foundations were found to have sent over $558 million worth of grants and donations each year to 91 groups skeptical of c*****e c****e.

These funding foundations include the Searle Freedom Trust, the John William Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. It also includes foundations with more blatant links to the fossil oil industry, such as the ExxonMobil Foundation and Koch Family-affiliated foundations.

As one example, ExxonMobil Foundations – among some of the f****l f**l industry’s biggest players – were heavily invested in c*****e-c****e denial organizations in the past. InsideClimate News carried out a widely acclaimed investigation into how Exxon executives were warned about a possible catastrophe from greenhouse gas as far back as the 1970s, but then actively led efforts to hamper any solutions. They also launched efforts to sow uncertainty into the debate and delay widespread acceptance of c*****e c****e through lobbying, advertising, and grantmaking. These tactics have even been compared to big tobacco's attempts to cover up the damaging health effects of smoking.

“The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible,” Brulle said in a statement from 2013.

“Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about g****l w*****g and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat,” he added.

“At the very least, American v**ers deserve to know who is behind these efforts.”



Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Koch Family Foundations have spent $145,555,197 directly financing 90 groups that have attacked c*****e c****e science and policy solutions, from 1997-2018.

Airship Protests Koch Brothers Meeting
The Greenpeace Airship A.E. Bates flies over the location of Charles Koch's secret political strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California in January, 2011.

© Gus Ruelas / Greenpeace

Five-year Total (2013-2018): $$67,109,331

Kyoto-to-present Total (1997-2018): $145,556,729

Grand Total (1986-2018): $168,409,886

View all data and primary source documents: Koch Foundations Funding to Climate Denial Groups

Data above is sourced from annual IRS Form 990 filings by the Koch family foundations. Source documents are available in the “Source Docs” tab of the spreadsheet.



About Our Data:
Greenpeace uses 1997 as a benchmark year due to increased coordinated backlash against global climate negotiations leading to the Kyoto Protocol of 1998. We define c*****e c****e denial as “anyone who is obstructing, delaying or trying to derail policy steps that are in line with the scientific consensus that says we need to take rapid steps to decarbonize the economy.”

We do this to hold accountable those who do not state their intentions honestly. Most modern lobbyists do not deny the irrefutable science indicating that our planet is warming, but instead deny the need for viable solutions — such as a cost on industrial carbon pollution, energy efficiency, clean energy alternatives to f****l f**ls — as demonstrated by the science.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/koch-industries/

The Koch brothers continue to finance campaigns to make Americans doubt the seriousness of g****l w*****g, increasingly hiding money through nonprofits like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund.

Why focus on Charles Koch and David Koch? Many large foundations associated with corporate fortunes are active in financing climate denial groups — Anschutz, Bradley, Coors, DeVos, Dunn, Howard, Pope, Scaife, Searle, and Seid, to name a few.

Unlike Koch, most of those fortunes did not come from owning a corporation like Koch Industries, historically rooted in f****l f**l operations. And none come as close as the Kochs in terms of decades-long focus on actively building a political influence network and coordinating other wealthy executives, corporations and families to dump amounts money into politics that not even the Koch brothers could afford.

See profiles of Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups
How Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups Work Together – Animation by Taki Oldham:


Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was “the biggest company you’ve never heard of.” Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $127 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping g****l w*****g, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they’ve made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It’s timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they’re up to.

A growing awareness of these oil billionaires’ destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.

Download Our Full Reports
Koch Industries: Still Fueling Climate Denial, 2011 Update
Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Bill Koch: The Dirty Money Behind Cape Wind Opposition
The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution. This money is typically funneled through one of three “charitable” foundations the Kochs have set up: the now-defunct Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation; the Charles Koch Foundation; the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation; and the Knowledge and Progress Fund, which exclusively directs Koch money to Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund.
https://www.iflscience.com/who-funds-the-c*****e-c... (show quote)



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Oct 2, 2022 03:14:42   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
do not remember the word Poll until someone else used it.. my comment was based only on observed comments.. I never took a poll..


Oct 1, 2022 11:21:13 #
permafrost (topic starter rank #21) Joined: Sep 27, 2013 Posts: 34871 Loc: Minnesota


Your words, not mine. I may be old but I don't have dementia, yet.
The "poll" is based on the remarks from trump troops on OPP who express the determination to not let renewables into the mix of energy production..

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Oct 2, 2022 03:44:15   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
permafrost wrote:
https://www.iflscience.com/who-funds-the-c*****e-c****e-denial-movement-53883

If you wish to understand why this mindset continues to struggle on, you can start by chasing the billions of dollars that have funded it over the past few decades.

Robert Brulle, a professor of sociology and environmental science at Drexel University, has carried out numerous studies looking at the funding behind the US c*****e c****e counter-movement. Through this work, he has unearthed the well-orchestrated network of foundations, corporations, think tanks, advocacy organizations, and trade associations that drive this ideology.

Reporting in the journal Climatic Change in 2013, Brulle highlighted that much of the funding for c*****e c****e-denial groups can be traced back to 140 different foundations. Between 2003 to 2010, these foundations were found to have sent over $558 million worth of grants and donations each year to 91 groups skeptical of c*****e c****e.

These funding foundations include the Searle Freedom Trust, the John William Pope Foundation, the Howard Charitable Foundation, and the Sarah Scaife Foundation. It also includes foundations with more blatant links to the fossil oil industry, such as the ExxonMobil Foundation and Koch Family-affiliated foundations.

As one example, ExxonMobil Foundations – among some of the f****l f**l industry’s biggest players – were heavily invested in c*****e-c****e denial organizations in the past. InsideClimate News carried out a widely acclaimed investigation into how Exxon executives were warned about a possible catastrophe from greenhouse gas as far back as the 1970s, but then actively led efforts to hamper any solutions. They also launched efforts to sow uncertainty into the debate and delay widespread acceptance of c*****e c****e through lobbying, advertising, and grantmaking. These tactics have even been compared to big tobacco's attempts to cover up the damaging health effects of smoking.

“The real issue here is one of democracy. Without a free flow of accurate information, democratic politics and government accountability become impossible,” Brulle said in a statement from 2013.

“Powerful funders are supporting the campaign to deny scientific findings about g****l w*****g and raise public doubts about the roots and remedies of this massive global threat,” he added.

“At the very least, American v**ers deserve to know who is behind these efforts.”



Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Koch Family Foundations have spent $145,555,197 directly financing 90 groups that have attacked c*****e c****e science and policy solutions, from 1997-2018.

Airship Protests Koch Brothers Meeting
The Greenpeace Airship A.E. Bates flies over the location of Charles Koch's secret political strategy meeting in Rancho Mirage, California in January, 2011.

© Gus Ruelas / Greenpeace

Five-year Total (2013-2018): $$67,109,331

Kyoto-to-present Total (1997-2018): $145,556,729

Grand Total (1986-2018): $168,409,886

View all data and primary source documents: Koch Foundations Funding to Climate Denial Groups

Data above is sourced from annual IRS Form 990 filings by the Koch family foundations. Source documents are available in the “Source Docs” tab of the spreadsheet.



About Our Data:
Greenpeace uses 1997 as a benchmark year due to increased coordinated backlash against global climate negotiations leading to the Kyoto Protocol of 1998. We define c*****e c****e denial as “anyone who is obstructing, delaying or trying to derail policy steps that are in line with the scientific consensus that says we need to take rapid steps to decarbonize the economy.”

We do this to hold accountable those who do not state their intentions honestly. Most modern lobbyists do not deny the irrefutable science indicating that our planet is warming, but instead deny the need for viable solutions — such as a cost on industrial carbon pollution, energy efficiency, clean energy alternatives to f****l f**ls — as demonstrated by the science.

https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/fighting-climate-chaos/climate-deniers/koch-industries/

The Koch brothers continue to finance campaigns to make Americans doubt the seriousness of g****l w*****g, increasingly hiding money through nonprofits like DonorsTrust and Donors Capital Fund.

Why focus on Charles Koch and David Koch? Many large foundations associated with corporate fortunes are active in financing climate denial groups — Anschutz, Bradley, Coors, DeVos, Dunn, Howard, Pope, Scaife, Searle, and Seid, to name a few.

Unlike Koch, most of those fortunes did not come from owning a corporation like Koch Industries, historically rooted in f****l f**l operations. And none come as close as the Kochs in terms of decades-long focus on actively building a political influence network and coordinating other wealthy executives, corporations and families to dump amounts money into politics that not even the Koch brothers could afford.

See profiles of Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups
How Koch-funded Climate Denial Front Groups Work Together – Animation by Taki Oldham:


Billionaire oilman David Koch used to joke that Koch Industries was “the biggest company you’ve never heard of.” Now the shroud of secrecy has thankfully been lifted, revealing the $127 million that he and his brother Charles have quietly funneled to climate-denial front groups that are working to delay policies and regulations aimed at stopping g****l w*****g, most of which are part of the State Policy Network.

Today, the Kochs are being watched as a prime example of the corporate takeover of government. Their funding and co-opting of the Tea Party movement is now well documented.

Charles G. Koch and David H. Koch have a vested interest in delaying climate action: they’ve made billions from their ownership and control of Koch Industries, an oil corporation that is the second largest privately-held company in America (which also happens to have an especially poor environmental record). It’s timely that more people are now aware of Charles and David Koch and just what they’re up to.

A growing awareness of these oil billionaires’ destructive agenda has led to increased scrutiny and resistance from people and organizations all over the United States.

We continue to expose the connections between climate denial front groups and the secretive billionaires who are funding their efforts.

Download Our Full Reports
Koch Industries: Still Fueling Climate Denial, 2011 Update
Koch Industries: Secretly Funding the Climate Denial Machine
Bill Koch: The Dirty Money Behind Cape Wind Opposition
The Koch brothers, their family members, and their employees direct a web of financing that supports conservative special interest groups and think-tanks, with a strong focus on fighting environmental regulation, opposing clean energy legislation, and easing limits on industrial pollution. This money is typically funneled through one of three “charitable” foundations the Kochs have set up: the now-defunct Claude R. Lambe Charitable Foundation; the Charles Koch Foundation; the David H. Koch Charitable Foundation; and the Knowledge and Progress Fund, which exclusively directs Koch money to Donors Trust and Donors Capital Fund.
https://www.iflscience.com/who-funds-the-c*****e-c... (show quote)


The Koch brothers (David died a few years ago) are one of the largest contributors to philanthropy. The idea of the rich billionaires being republicans is an old paradigm. The democratic party is now the party of the uber-wealthy. You will find that Koch now donates more to the Democrats than the Republicans. As do also Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerbucks, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, the Waltons, and most of the gazillionaires in sports and Hollywood.

It was the Dubya Admin that pushed for the name change from g****l w*****g to c*****e c****e. Both are misnomers. Every weather event, no matter how severe, is neither g****l w*****g nor c*****e c****e. Anthropogenic g****l w*****g is still a debatable issue, and climate is based on long-term geologic time measurements. However, everything has to be politicized these days.

Interesting data, that is a bit dated; 2011, 2013, 2003-2010, 1997, the 1970s, 1986-2018, blah, blah, blah.

Let's continue to deflect attention from Biden's disastrous presidency and project onto the Conservatives (Not the same thing as Republicans. You see, many Republicans {RINOs} are really Democrats, but no Democrats are really Republicans.) since the e******n is less than six weeks away.

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Oct 2, 2022 10:00:10   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Oct 1, 2022 11:21:13 #
permafrost (topic starter rank #21) Joined: Sep 27, 2013 Posts: 34871 Loc: Minnesota


Your words, not mine. I may be old but I don't have dementia, yet.
The "poll" is based on the remarks from trump troops on OPP who express the determination to not let renewables into the mix of energy production..



The "" marks around the word poll, mean it was a word used by someone else , not me..

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Oct 2, 2022 10:05:19   #
permafrost Loc: Minnesota
 
dtucker300 wrote:
The Koch brothers (David died a few years ago) are one of the largest contributors to philanthropy. The idea of the rich billionaires being republicans is an old paradigm. The democratic party is now the party of the uber-wealthy. You will find that Koch now donates more to the Democrats than the Republicans. As do also Jeff Bezos, Mark Zuckerbucks, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, the Waltons, and most of the gazillionaires in sports and Hollywood.

It was the Dubya Admin that pushed for the name change from g****l w*****g to c*****e c****e. Both are misnomers. Every weather event, no matter how severe, is neither g****l w*****g nor c*****e c****e. Anthropogenic g****l w*****g is still a debatable issue, and climate is based on long-term geologic time measurements. However, everything has to be politicized these days.

Interesting data, that is a bit dated; 2011, 2013, 2003-2010, 1997, the 1970s, 1986-2018, blah, blah, blah.

Let's continue to deflect attention from Biden's disastrous presidency and project onto the Conservatives (Not the same thing as Republicans. You see, many Republicans {RINOs} are really Democrats, but no Democrats are really Republicans.) since the e******n is less than six weeks away.
The Koch brothers (David died a few years ago) are... (show quote)


Trust me I will v**e..

It is the actions of the parties which matter.. while your beloved trump party are for the rich at the determent of the working and middle class and never for the overall good of America. the criminal intent of the base is evident on a daily basis..



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