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Sep 23, 2022 18:43:25   #
Blade_Runner Loc: DARK SIDE OF THE MOON
 
woodguru wrote:
Objectively Or Subjectively Speaking How Do You Rank A Country's Greatness?

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Sep 23, 2022 21:11:56   #
Mikeyavelli
 
woodguru wrote:
How do you objectively look at this, and if under objective criteria you find that perhaps the country you live in has flaws that would cause it to be ranked well under the top, does it mean you don't love the country you live in because you are willing to point out flaws?

To me, when you love a person or thing, part of keeping something good is working on flaws, recognizing them so as to fix them and make them better. The person who subscribes to unconditional love, looking the other way on obvious flaws that need to be sorted out and fixed, especially to a degree that they become much worse because people refuse to acknowledge them let alone discuss them, contributes to a situation where things get far away from greatness...

and saying some aspect of something is starting to suck does not mean you don't love it.
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First measure of greatness; can this country kick that country's schumer. The country that comes out on top kicking everyone else's schumer is the greatest country on earth.
The nice nice crap comes later.

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Sep 23, 2022 22:08:37   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
Objectively speaking would you consider things like healthcare?

The US ranks somewhere under the 50% point on healthcare among the top 100 nations, over 50 smaller nations provide better healthcare than us...

The only thing we excel at is having the highest cost of healthcare in the world, and we have tens of millions of people who have no healthcare at all, so while we pay the most per person tens of millions aren't covered at all,
...drug prices have gotten cost prohibitive even for drugs that cost next to nothing to make
...hospitals operate on a model that inflates simple care in ways that make no sense
...hospital and insurance administrators make ludicrous money
...the lack of healthcare puts us at a lower life expectancy by years than dozens of other countries
...we have states with less healthcare that statistically prove people live fewer years on average

Is a nation really that great that can't figure out how to have the best healthcare in the world? We certainly pay thousands more per person than any other nation to get that.
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That's because we are paying for millions of your precious wetbacks that don't have insurance. The last time I had to go to the Emergency Room, I was the only Gringo in there, pero como hablo español, no tuve que esperar mucho.

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Sep 23, 2022 22:45:34   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
That's because we are paying for millions of your precious wetbacks that don't have insurance. The last time I had to go to the Emergency Room, I was the only Gringo in there, pero como hablo español, no tuve que esperar mucho.


Last time I was in emergency room, they made me give them my credit card, guess what the Latino's in front of me gave them, that's right, Nothing, not even an ID

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Sep 23, 2022 23:23:59   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
woodguru wrote:
What I never understood was the ignorance of people that couldn't understand that the healthcare plans people lost were the substandard ones that had cost prohibitive copays, and that they then had cheaper and better plans available to them.

You obviously can't grasp the reasons that our healthcare system costs us such ludicrously and excessively high amounts.


I personally know three people who ended up paying substantially more for less insurance. You might be better served to address your own ignorance on this subject.

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Sep 23, 2022 23:32:42   #
Mikeyavelli
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
That's because we are paying for millions of your precious wetbacks that don't have insurance. The last time I had to go to the Emergency Room, I was the only Gringo in there, pero como hablo español, no tuve que esperar mucho.


Did you run out of champagne? That's the only time I go to the emergency room. They can IV it for immediate relief.

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