Objectively Or Subjectively Speaking How Do You Rank A Country's Greatness? How do you objectively look at this, and if under objective criteria you find that perhaps the country you...

woodguru

How do you objectively look at this, and if under objective criteria you find that perhaps the country you live in has flaws that would cause it to be ranked well under the top, does it mean you don't love the country you live in because you are willing to point out flaws?

To me, when you love a person or thing, part of keeping something good is working on flaws, recognizing them so as to fix them and make them better. The person who subscribes to unconditional love, looking the other way on obvious flaws that need to be sorted out and fixed, especially to a degree that they become much worse because people refuse to acknowledge them let alone discuss them, contributes to a situation where things get far away from greatness...

and saying some aspect of something is starting to suck does not mean you don't love it.

woodguru

Objectively speaking would you consider things like healthcare?

The US ranks somewhere under the 50% point on healthcare among the top 100 nations, over 50 smaller nations provide better healthcare than us...

The only thing we excel at is having the highest cost of healthcare in the world, and we have tens of millions of people who have no healthcare at all, so while we pay the most per person tens of millions aren't covered at all,
...drug prices have gotten cost prohibitive even for drugs that cost next to nothing to make
...hospitals operate on a model that inflates simple care in ways that make no sense
...hospital and insurance administrators make ludicrous money
...the lack of healthcare puts us at a lower life expectancy by years than dozens of other countries
...we have states with less healthcare that statistically prove people live fewer years on average

Is a nation really that great that can't figure out how to have the best healthcare in the world? We certainly pay thousands more per person than any other nation to get that.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

woodguru wrote:

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We do have the best healthcare, we just have a group of people who think they shouldn't have to pay for it.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

I didn't see ONE objective fact to support your assertions, therefore, EVERYTHING you said was subjective.

woodguru

microphor wrote:

We do have the best healthcare, we just have a group of people who think they shouldn't have to pay for it.

Actually you cannot prove statistically we do, because the reality is that we do not, we certainly have the most expensive healthcare...how is it that you can make that statement when part of the country's healthcare standard involves whether or not everyone is covered. I can tell you that the system in the UK is excellent on several levels, as good or better than ours.

furthermore hospital systems do not purge their doctors or surgeons that are substandard, literally bad doctors will be defended against malpractice or substandard surgeries or care...nurses and workers will be fired for speaking out against them. Hospitals will have some great surgeons and others that are mediocre at best.

In a country that doesn't have the extreme financial considerations mediocre surgeons will be weeded out.

woodguru

Parky60 wrote:

I didn't see ONE objective fact to support your assertions, therefore, EVERYTHING you said was subjective.

The basis for my statement that we are not the best is a ranking that has us closer to the bottom of the list of top 100 countries...that ranking takes many factors into consideration, how many people are not covered in regard to per capita, cost per person to the country, average life expectancy, timely response to addressing problems, cost of drugs and copays...

If we were the best we would excel at enough things to put us at the top of the list.

woodguru

microphor wrote:

We do have the best healthcare, we just have a group of people who think they shouldn't have to pay for it.

What we have is the government paying ludicrously high rates for drugs and care, they even subsidize people's insurance companies which is part of the fraud and ripoff.

Bevvy

woodguru wrote:

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and pay thousands more because of obummiez "you can keep yo doctor " plan

vernon

microphor wrote:

We do have the best healthcare, we just have a group of people who think they shouldn't have to pay for it.

There are to many that don't pay for it. They can go in and be treated and just walk out. Of course there is always someone who will complain and cry saying stupid stuff like this last speakers complaints. I suggest he goes to one of these countries he speaks so highly about and see if he can make a year before moving back to our terrible
system.

woodguru

Bevvy wrote:

and pay thousands more because of obummiez "you can keep yo doctor " plan

What I never understood was the ignorance of people that couldn't understand that the healthcare plans people lost were the substandard ones that had cost prohibitive copays, and that they then had cheaper and better plans available to them.

You obviously can't grasp the reasons that our healthcare system costs us such ludicrously and excessively high amounts.

Parky60 Loc: People's Republic of Illinois

woodguru wrote:

The basis for my statement that we are not the best is a ranking that has us closer to the bottom of the list of top 100 countries...that ranking takes many factors into consideration, how many people are not covered in regard to per capita, cost per person to the country, average life expectancy, timely response to addressing problems, cost of drugs and copays...

If we were the best we would excel at enough things to put us at the top of the list.

So subjectively you are rating a country's greatness? Typical l*****t.

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Parky60 wrote:

I didn't see ONE objective fact to support your assertions, therefore, EVERYTHING you said was subjective.

If you don't use the "quote reply" tab, we don't know who or what you are responding to. It's located right next to the reply tab!

microphor Loc: Home is TN

woodguru wrote:

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Can you proved "we do not". Why do you think people save money and come here for healthcare services? When asking and reading up on the subject, professionals will say "at least not for all it's citizens". "Medical Care/services" and availability are two different things.

Wonttakeitanymore

woodguru wrote:

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Freedom and agreed upon taxes! Religious liberty first of all! Non partisan censorship! Being able to v**e on any and all laws!!

Wonttakeitanymore

woodguru wrote:

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But it should t suck in everything! F**r e******ns no c***ting! Criminals get punished and everyone works for what they get unless disabled or too young or old!! Independent auditors on all e******ns and v**er ID citizens only