There is no convincing you or anyone else . Our News outlets have been thrashed by trump when they tell the t***h about him. Our politicians are attacked by trump when they stand up to him instead of obeying his wishes.-- Revenge motivates him. He attacks judges who rule against him-- he attacks The FBI for investigating him. His supporters believe his every lie and echo his rhetoric-- It divides us and of course brings up the topic of civil war- crooked r****d e******ns-- cozy deals and the "deep State" wh**ever the hell that is supposed to mean.

Well, thanks for responding. One thing is for sure....you can not convince me if you do not even try. Your statements are emotional one sided opinions, but let me respond to a few of them. Trump trashed various news outlets AFTER they attacked him with h**xes, lies, and unfounded insinuations. Who could blame him? Politicians were vigorously responded to after THEY attacked Trump and his policies. Who could blame him? Revenge motivates him? How do you know that? If you slap a guy, and he slaps back, is it responding to an attack? Or is it seeking revenge? Trump defends himself from attacks by the DOJ and the FBI and Congress and the media and various others. Who could blame him? I am one of his supporters, and yet I do not believe everything he says, nor do I do as he says unless I agree with it, nor do I ever 'echo' what he says. And do you REALLY need me to explain what the deep state is? Regardless of whether you call it the entrenched federal bureaucracy or wh**ever? As for cozy deals, r****d e******ns, etc.....are they any worse than f**e Russia collusion delusion h**xes created by a Democrat, propagated for six years by the DNC and media? What about the FBI and DNC and the media finally admitting that they obfuscated the H****r laptop/BigGuy connections for the past 22 months for political reasons? Will you continue to trust what they say?
There has been more than enough 'corruption' and lack of ethical integrity to cover both sides several inches deep.
Why is it that Trumps is so much worse, in your mind, than Bidens?

Well, thanks for responding. One thing is for sure....you can not convince me if you do not even try. Your statements are emotional one sided opinions, but let me respond to a few of them. Trump trashed various news outlets AFTER they attacked him with h**xes, lies, and unfounded insinuations. Who could blame him? Politicians were vigorously responded to after THEY attacked Trump and his policies. Who could blame him? Revenge motivates him? How do you know that? If you slap a guy, and he slaps back, is it responding to an attack? Or is it seeking revenge? Trump defends himself from attacks by the DOJ and the FBI and Congress and the media and various others. Who could blame him? I am one of his supporters, and yet I do not believe everything he says, nor do I do as he says unless I agree with it, nor do I ever 'echo' what he says. And do you REALLY need me to explain what the deep state is? Regardless of whether you call it the entrenched federal bureaucracy or wh**ever? As for cozy deals, r****d e******ns, etc.....are they any worse than f**e Russia collusion delusion h**xes created by a Democrat, propagated for six years by the DNC and media? What about the FBI and DNC and the media finally admitting that they obfuscated the H****r laptop/BigGuy connections for the past 22 months for political reasons? Will you continue to trust what they say?
There has been more than enough 'corruption' and lack of ethical integrity to cover both sides several inches deep.
Why is it that Trumps is so much worse, in your mind, than Bidens?

Trump Flouted Rules About P**********l Records. That's Not How It Usually Works.

Michael D. Shear; Wed, August 24, 2022

WASHINGTON — For the three years that former President Barack Obama wrote his 768-page memoir after leaving the White House, the millions of pages of his official p**********l records were locked away in warehouses in Washington and Chicago.

Each time Obama wanted to review something, his aides submitted precise requests to the National Archives and Records Administration. Sometimes, documents would be encrypted and loaded onto a laptop that would be brought to Obama at his office in Washington. Other times, a paper document would be placed in a locked bag for his perusal, and later returned the same way.

The tightly restricted process that Obama followed to gain access to the 30 million records from his presidency stands in stark contrast to former President Donald Trump’s seemingly haphazard handling of some of the government’s most sensitive documents after he left office in early 2021. People familiar with the actions of other recent presidents from both parties described similar, library-like procedures to see documents, conforming to rules set out in the P**********l Records Act, which was passed in 1978.

The difference underscores how rare it is for one of the country’s recent presidents to flout the rules about p**********l records. And it helps to put into a broader context the FBI’s decision to search Trump’s estate in Florida after concluding that the former president had taken thousands of documents, including some that were classified as top secret.

Aides to Trump have recounted his chaotic last days in the White House in 2021, as the president and some of his allies tried in vain to cling to power. They said boxes of documents were frantically assembled in the dining room outside the Oval Office and in Trump’s personal residence in the main White House building, even as the country reeled from the J*** 6 assault on the Capitol.

Much of the p**********l archive is t***sferred digitally, which makes it all the more striking that Trump appears to have taken so many paper documents. Historians and White House officials described a methodical process used by p**********l staff members to keep track of who produces digital documents so that they can be archived.

People who work in the White House are generally required to use phones and laptops issued by the administration, to make archiving easier. And work performed on personal or home computers must be printed out or forwarded so that it can be cataloged and sent to the archives when the president leaves.

It is unclear how many of the last-minute boxes that Trump and his aides packed up were turned over to the archives. But according to federal officials, dozens of boxes of documents ended up in the former president’s custody.

That is not the way it’s supposed to happen.

“At 12:01 on Jan. 20, those documents become property of the United States government,” said Lee White, executive director of the National Coalition for History.

People familiar with the departures of Obama, a Democrat, and former Presidents George W. Bush, a Republican, and Bill Clinton, a Democrat, said the process of identifying p**********l records and sending them to the archives begins months, if not years, before a president leaves the White House for the final time at noon Jan. 20.

In Obama’s case, the process involved the t***sfer of millions of digital files from White House systems to the archives. That began months before the president ended his second term, and was done without the direct involvement of Obama, according to a person familiar with the procedures.

According to the archives, “the Obama P**********l Library has the largest set of electronic holdings in the p**********l library system, with approximately 250 terabytes of data including approximately 300 million email messages.”

Obama’s office near Washington’s Georgetown neighborhood has a secure facility for making calls and reviewing classified documents. But aides to Obama said he did not request to see any classified documents while writing his book.

“As required by the PRA, former President Obama has no control over where and how NARA stores the p**********l records of his administration,” the National Archives and Records Administration said in a statement this month, referring to the P**********l Records Act.

Bush, who left office in 2009, also delivered millions of documents to the archives. People familiar with the t***sfer of that information said it happened on a regular basis throughout the president’s two terms. One person recalled that any documents deemed protected by the P**********l Records Act would be sent every day by the president’s staff secretary to the Office of Records Management, for eventual t***sfer to the archives.

Even presidents who were not subject to the 1978 records act have historically treated official documents with care. Michael Beschloss, a historian and a longtime board member for the National Archives Foundation, said that Dwight D. Eisenhower kept classified documents at Fort Ritchie, a military installation in Maryland, while he was in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, writing his memoirs. The former president and military commander would have to apply to see the documents, Beschloss said.

After the FBI searched Trump’s Mar-a-Lago estate this month, the former president lashed out, and at one point accused Obama of having left office with many classified documents.

“President Barack Hussein Obama kept 33 million pages of documents, much of them classified,” Trump said in a statement to the press. “How many of them pertained to nuclear? Word is, lots!”

That accusation prompted a quick reply from the archives, which refuted Trump’s claim.

The National Archives “assumed exclusive legal and physical custody of Obama p**********l records when President Barack Obama left office in 2017, in accordance with the P**********l Records Act,” the statement said, adding that in addition to about 30 million pages of unclassified records, the agency “maintains the classified Obama p**********l records in a NARA facility in the Washington, D.C., area.”

The archives’ authority over p**********l records dates to the beginning of the Reagan administration, the result of a Watergate-era backlash over attempts by former President Richard M. Nixon to maintain control over millions of pages of papers and hundreds of hours of audiotapes that helped force his resignation.

Nixon initially reached a deal with President Gerald R. Ford that would have given him control over his papers, the ability to take them to his post-p**********l retreat in California and — most controversially — the ability to destroy or modify them as he wished.

But an act passed by Congress after Nixon left office in August 1974 forced him to take his fight to court. He eventually lost at the Supreme Court, in a 7-2 decision.

The legal tug of war over Nixon’s documents led to the passage of the P**********l Records Act. President Jimmy Carter signed the act into law, and it went into effect on the first day of Ronald Reagan’s term in 1981.

“At the time that Nixon went to California, these rules were at best somewhat ambiguous, and the country was relying on the patriotism of a president, as with Eisenhower, following these rules,” Beschloss said. “What Nixon showed the country was that you couldn’t rely on that goodwill.”

The current case involving Trump is another test of the power of the presidency. His office has said he had a “standing order” that materials removed from the Oval Office and taken to the White House residence were deemed to be declassified the moment he removed them, although none of the three potential crimes cited in the FBI search warrant depends on whether removed documents are classified.

National security experts also reject the idea of a standing declassification order, saying that even a p**********l directive to remove a document’s classification must follow a rigorous process.

Trump has accused the FBI and the Justice Department of exceeding their authority and of going beyond what the law requires. But the history of the past 40 years suggests that it is Trump whose handling of his p**********l documents is out of the norm.

“In the same way Nixon thought the White House tapes were his,” said Douglas Brinkley, a p**********l historian, “he just fails to understand that you are a servant in the White House, that you don’t own the materials produced there.”

I’ve read through this entire thread and you and Tom have not yet defended your statement as to why Trump is the “biggest threat to our Democracy this country has ever known”………If you make that kind of grand statement, surely you’re prepared to defend it. There has been a couple of honest attempts for discussion from two conservatives and both have been ignored. If you’re going to create a thread that represents your beliefs and make grand statements, be prepared to defend them for the loyal readers, like me! This one is disappointing. LOL!

Our President has been in politics for decades…….decades of proof of his ineptitude, exaggerations, personal insults, r****m, made up ridiculous stories, and blatant lies. Obama couldn’t have been more clear with his remark, Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to F@#-% things up! Joe claimed that he didn’t know anything about the raid…….a lie! He said he had never discussed his son’s business….a lie! So many lies that are being ignored.

Now we have proof that the FBI interfered with the e******n when they “suggested” Facebook to back off of the story on H****r’s laptop, knowing that it was a very “dangerous “ story that could drastically effect the outcome of a P**********l e******n!………who can forget the remark about the Big Guys 10%? Oh right…this is another ignored statement of H****r’s! 👿 And then there’s the raid to get Biden’s daughters diary! Several incidents of the FBI being used as “bulldogs” for the Democrats, either to dig up evidence against Republicans or to hide evidence of criminal activity of the Dems! There has been a unified effort to destroy Trump since day ONE.

Trump is not the greatest danger………this corrupt government and the agencies that they control, the FBI and DOJ, and most of the MSM…….that is the GREATEST danger! How many Americans will have to die from f******l before the invasion from Mexico be addressed? How many i*****l a***ns have to die, how many of their women and children raped and murdered by the criminals mixed in with the Mexicans…….Don’t tell me that liberals care for these people! If they did they would stop ignoring it! This DANGER may very well destroy this great Nation! All the attention is on a man that is no longer a President, he has no power except the power that the Democrats are giving him by their continual attacks and attempts to destroy him. Calling us a cult, claiming that we believe everything he says, that we idolize him, will follow him anywhere, etc. etc.etc……….This is untrue! We have continually said that it is his policies! Even your friends have told you this. All of this is uniting us. We are not dependent upon Trump being our President or the candidate of the Republican Party. We will support whichever candidate runs against the Democrats!

And on a lighter note! How bout this rain and temperatures under triple digits! It’s been a long hot summer. I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but I’m ready for cooler weather. I hope this doesn’t mean that we’re going to have a long cold winter! 😂

I’ve read through this entire thread and you and Tom have not yet defended your statement as to why Trump is the “biggest threat to our Democracy this country has ever known”………If you make that kind of grand statement, surely you’re prepared to defend it. There has been a couple of honest attempts for discussion from two conservatives and both have been ignored. If you’re going to create a thread that represents your beliefs and make grand statements, be prepared to defend them for the loyal readers, like me! This one is disappointing. LOL!

Our President has been in politics for decades…….decades of proof of his ineptitude, exaggerations, personal insults, r****m, made up ridiculous stories, and blatant lies. Obama couldn’t have been more clear with his remark, Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to F@#-% things up! Joe claimed that he didn’t know anything about the raid…….a lie! He said he had never discussed his son’s business….a lie! So many lies that are being ignored.

Now we have proof that the FBI interfered with the e******n when they “suggested” Facebook to back off of the story on H****r’s laptop, knowing that it was a very “dangerous “ story that could drastically effect the outcome of a P**********l e******n!………who can forget the remark about the Big Guys 10%? Oh right…this is another ignored statement of H****r’s! 👿 And then there’s the raid to get Biden’s daughters diary! Several incidents of the FBI being used as “bulldogs” for the Democrats, either to dig up evidence against Republicans or to hide evidence of criminal activity of the Dems! There has been a unified effort to destroy Trump since day ONE.

Trump is not the greatest danger………this corrupt government and the agencies that they control, the FBI and DOJ, and most of the MSM…….that is the GREATEST danger! How many Americans will have to die from f******l before the invasion from Mexico be addressed? How many i*****l a***ns have to die, how many of their women and children raped and murdered by the criminals mixed in with the Mexicans…….Don’t tell me that liberals care for these people! If they did they would stop ignoring it! This DANGER may very well destroy this great Nation! All the attention is on a man that is no longer a President, he has no power except the power that the Democrats are giving him by their continual attacks and attempts to destroy him. Calling us a cult, claiming that we believe everything he says, that we idolize him, will follow him anywhere, etc. etc.etc……….This is untrue! We have continually said that it is his policies! Even your friends have told you this. All of this is uniting us. We are not dependent upon Trump being our President or the candidate of the Republican Party. We will support whichever candidate runs against the Democrats!

And on a lighter note! How bout this rain and temperatures under triple digits! It’s been a long hot summer. I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but I’m ready for cooler weather. I hope this doesn’t mean that we’re going to have a long cold winter! 😂

Just as you are, I'm ready for Autumn/Fall. We're still hitting around 100 degrees most everyday, either in real or 'feels like' temperature. We didn't get the downpour Dallas/Fort Worth got last week. The slight bit of rain we got
early last week, the ground sucked up like a sponge.

As far as comments about the threat Trump has had for some time now has been evidenced many times in past postings or comments by me and many others. The last two I posted were the below...

https://www.onepoliticalplaza.com/t-251444-1.html

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/22/america-f*****m-legal-phase

Have a great day, TexaCan...even if you are now in Alabama.

I’ve read through this entire thread and you and Tom have not yet defended your statement as to why Trump is the “biggest threat to our Democracy this country has ever known”………If you make that kind of grand statement, surely you’re prepared to defend it. There has been a couple of honest attempts for discussion from two conservatives and both have been ignored. If you’re going to create a thread that represents your beliefs and make grand statements, be prepared to defend them for the loyal readers, like me! This one is disappointing. LOL!

Our President has been in politics for decades…….decades of proof of his ineptitude, exaggerations, personal insults, r****m, made up ridiculous stories, and blatant lies. Obama couldn’t have been more clear with his remark, Don’t underestimate Joe’s ability to F@#-% things up! Joe claimed that he didn’t know anything about the raid…….a lie! He said he had never discussed his son’s business….a lie! So many lies that are being ignored.

Now we have proof that the FBI interfered with the e******n when they “suggested” Facebook to back off of the story on H****r’s laptop, knowing that it was a very “dangerous “ story that could drastically effect the outcome of a P**********l e******n!………who can forget the remark about the Big Guys 10%? Oh right…this is another ignored statement of H****r’s! 👿 And then there’s the raid to get Biden’s daughters diary! Several incidents of the FBI being used as “bulldogs” for the Democrats, either to dig up evidence against Republicans or to hide evidence of criminal activity of the Dems! There has been a unified effort to destroy Trump since day ONE.

Trump is not the greatest danger………this corrupt government and the agencies that they control, the FBI and DOJ, and most of the MSM…….that is the GREATEST danger! How many Americans will have to die from f******l before the invasion from Mexico be addressed? How many i*****l a***ns have to die, how many of their women and children raped and murdered by the criminals mixed in with the Mexicans…….Don’t tell me that liberals care for these people! If they did they would stop ignoring it! This DANGER may very well destroy this great Nation! All the attention is on a man that is no longer a President, he has no power except the power that the Democrats are giving him by their continual attacks and attempts to destroy him. Calling us a cult, claiming that we believe everything he says, that we idolize him, will follow him anywhere, etc. etc.etc……….This is untrue! We have continually said that it is his policies! Even your friends have told you this. All of this is uniting us. We are not dependent upon Trump being our President or the candidate of the Republican Party. We will support whichever candidate runs against the Democrats!

And on a lighter note! How bout this rain and temperatures under triple digits! It’s been a long hot summer. I can’t believe I’m actually saying this, but I’m ready for cooler weather. I hope this doesn’t mean that we’re going to have a long cold winter! 😂