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Aug 11, 2022 12:10:09   #
Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas
 
microphor wrote:
No you are right. I have family full of military. They go to the battlefield with automatic weapons and/or automatic capabilities. Ar-15 does not have automatic capabilities.PS it was tested for military capabilities but did not meet the standards.


WRONG

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle#:~:text=Around%20the%20same%20time%2C%20the,8%2C500%20for%20Air%20Force%20use.&text=With%20the%20AR%2D15%20in,of%20the%20United%20States%20Military.

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Aug 11, 2022 12:11:13   #
Liberty Tree
 
kemmer wrote:
Yes. An AR15 can rip the entire mid section out of a deer. Some of the kids shot by an AR 15 in Uvalde TX could only be identified by theur clothing.


You could say that of someone shot in the face with a shotgun. Do you want to ban shotguns?

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Aug 11, 2022 12:13:27   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
Milosia2 wrote:
Yes. You are wrong.
Deer Hunting Rifles are defined by
One Shot , One K**l.
Not ratatatatatatatatat !!!
Did I get him ?????


The AR-15 uses a 5.56 MM round, basically a .22 caliber. Small holes.













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Aug 11, 2022 12:15:00   #
Liberty Tree
 
microphor wrote:
No you are right. I have family full of military. They go to the battlefield with automatic weapons and/or automatic capabilities. Ar-15 does not have automatic capabilities.PS it was tested for military capabilities but did not meet the standards.


Contrary to what many believe the AR in AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle. It is afte the designer.

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Aug 11, 2022 12:15:11   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Kevyn wrote:
An AR-15 is the descendant of an assault rifle designed by Armalite that evolved into the M-16 used by US forces in Vietnam and the M-4 currently used by the US military. The 5.56 round it utilizes is considered a bit light for deer hunting. It was indeed designed specifically for use on the battlefield. The only difference between the AR-15 and M-4 is the M-4 has a burst fire se******n not available on the AR-15 otherwise they are the same weapon.


And by adding a small piece of plastic becomes fully automatic.
Oops. That was supposed to be a big secret.

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Aug 11, 2022 12:20:24   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
Contrary to what many believe the AR in AR-15 does not stand for assault rifle. It is afte the designer.


Colt was producing m4 s and bought out armalite.
Hence the CAR15s
But allowed Armalite to continue production.
Colt Automatic Rifles.

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Aug 11, 2022 12:23:22   #
coelacanth Loc: Michigan swamp
 
Kevyn wrote:
An AR-15 is the descendant of an assault rifle designed by Armalite that evolved into the M-16 used by US forces in Vietnam and the M-4 currently used by the US military. The 5.56 round it utilizes is considered a bit light for deer hunting. It was indeed designed specifically for use on the battlefield. The only difference between the AR-15 and M-4 is the M-4 has a burst fire se******n not available on the AR-15 otherwise they are the same weapon.


"Sport Utility Rifle", not "Assault Rifle", dude. Assault Rifle is a media term used to instill fear in the ignorant, like "Ghost Guns", EEK! The AR-15 isn't a descendant of anything, it's the 15th prototype of the platform. The army liked the idea of a small round for the battlefield so the grunts could carry more moidammo. The high velocity round did more injuring than k*****g, which meant that two fighters were tied up t***sporting t



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Aug 11, 2022 12:35:42   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
coelacanth wrote:
"Sport Utility Rifle", not "Assault Rifle", dude. Assault Rifle is a media term used to instill fear in the ignorant, like "Ghost Guns", EEK! The AR-15 isn't a descendant of anything, it's the 15th prototype of the platform. The army liked the idea of a small round for the battlefield so the grunts could carry more moidammo. The high velocity round did more injuring than k*****g, which meant that two fighters were tied up t***sporting t


Introducing the CAR-15: America’s Ultimate ‘Commando’ Rifle?
Kyle Mizokami
March 31, 2022
car 15
CAR-15 was a more compact version of the M16 rifle developed during the Vietnam War. The Pentagon provided U.S. Army Green Berets, and U.S. Navy SEALs commandos with a shorter, more compact rifle. The CAR-15 was well suited for the jungles of southeast Asia while still packing the potent 5.56-millimeter round. Although classified as a submachine gun at the time, the CAR-15 was the forerunner of modern special forces weapons and the regular Army’s M4 carbine.

In the mid-1960s, the U.S. Army and Marine Corps purchased a large number of M16 rifles for troops bound for the Vietnam War. The M16 was shorter and lighter than the M14 battle rifle equipped U.S. ground forces based in the United States and Europe and would eventually replace the older rifle entirely.

U.S. Army Special Forces troops were on the ground advising South Vietnamese Army units, and in that capacity, the green berets often carried older weapons such as the M-2 carbine. The M-2, dated to the Korean War, was more suited to the size and stature of Vietnamese troops than the M-14, and U.S. advisors carried them to increase commonality with the soldiers they advised (and sometimes led.) Although a useful weapon, the older .30-caliber cartridge lacked the power of the new, modern 5.56 cartridge.

Colt’s Manufacturing had purchased the rights to the AR-15 rifle from ArmaLite and manufactured the rifles for the Department of Defense as the M16. Colt’s solution to the short rifle problem was the CAR-15. Derived from the Colt Model 607 carbine, the CAR-15 featured a sliding buttstock that reduced overall length, and the barrel was shortened from 20 inches of the M16 to 10 inches. The new carbine also included a forward assist mechanism in the upper receiver, a push-button meant to help advance fresh cartridges into the battery.

M16A2 US soldier on shooting range
U.S. soldier shooting from M16A2 assault rifle (Photo: XY)
The Pentagon signed a contract in June 1966 with Colt for 2,815 Colt “Commando” rifles, although officially it was known as a “Submachine Gun, 5.56-mm, CAR-15”. Colt completed the deliveries within six months. The first rifles sent to the military were unmodified Colt 607s, designated XM177 in Air Force service and XM177E1 in Army service. Right away, soldiers noticed some issues with the new weapon. One major problem was that the drastic shortening of the barrel led to a large, bright fireball at the muzzle and very loud gunshot report the flash hider designed for the rifle was not up to the task. Soldiers also noted a problem with accuracy and thought the buttstock too complicated.

Within weeks Colt was back to the drawing board, and the result was the new Colt 629 Commando. The 629 featured a slightly longer barrel, at 11.5 inches, and a newly redesigned flash hider. A chrome-plated chamber helped prevent gunpowder residue from accumulating in the upper receiver, leading to stoppages. The result was what the company believed was the best compromise between a compact weapon and one that generated an obnoxious amount of noise and light on the battlefield.

The 629 was rebranded the XM177E2, and the Army placed an order for 510 of the E2 rifles in early 1967; the rifles to go to the U.S. Army’s Studies and Observation Group (SOG), Vietnam. Despite the bookish name, SOG was a cover for U.S. Army special forces reconnaissance teams operating in South Vietnam, North Vietnam, Cambodia, and, later, Laos. Green berets and the local troops that fleshed out their recon teams liked the CAR-15 for its compactness and firepower.

Another special forces unit that used the CAR-15 was the U.S. Navy SEAL teams. SEALs originally carried the Colt 607 but t***sitioned to the XM177E2 when available. Both SEALs and U.S. Army Special Forces continued to use the XM177 well into the 1970s, working around the lack of new production by cannibalizing some rifles to provide spare parts for others.

Vietnam-era MACV-SOG is a forerunner of the modern U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets)
Vietnam-era MACV-SOG is a forerunner of the modern U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets) (Photo: History)
The concept of a shorty M16 went dormant into the 1980s, but in the 1990s, the U.S. Army officially adopted the M4 carbine. Although not as short as the Colt Commando, as an offshoot of the original weapon separated by more than twenty years of research and development, the M4 is a more reliable and generally refined design. Today the M4 is the standard weapon assigned to U.S. Army and Marine Corps infantrymen worldwide. Another “shorty” M16 was the U.S. Navy’s Mk.18 Mod 0, a gun with a ten and a half-inch barrel currently issued to Navy SEAL teams. Between the two weapons, the legacy of the CAR-15 rifle lives on.

Kyle Mizokami is a defense and national-security writer based in San Francisco who has appeared in the Diplomat, Foreign Policy, War is Boring, and the Daily Beast. In 2009 he co-founded the defense and security blog Japan Security Watch. You can follow him on Twitter: @KyleMizokami.

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Aug 11, 2022 12:37:49   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
WRONG

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle#:~:text=Around%20the%20same%20time%2C%20the,8%2C500%20for%20Air%20Force%20use.&text=With%20the%20AR%2D15%20in,of%20the%20United%20States%20Military.



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Introducing the CAR-15: America’s Ultimate ‘Commando’ Rifle?
Kyle Mizokami
March 31, 2022
car 15
CAR-15 was a more compact version of the M16 rifle developed during the Vietnam War. The Pentagon provided U.S. Army Green Berets, and U.S. Navy SEALs commandos with a shorter, more compact rifle. The CAR-15 was well suited for the jungles of southeast Asia while still packing the potent 5.56-millimeter round. Although classified as a submachine gun at the time, the CAR-15 was the forerunner of modern special forces weapons and the regular Army’s M4 carbine.

In the mid-1960s, the U.S. Army and Marine Corps purchased a large number of M16 rifles for troops bound for the Vietnam War. The M16 was shorter and lighter than the M14 battle rifle equipped U.S. ground forces based in the United States and Europe and would eventually replace the older rifle entirely.

U.S. Army Special Forces troops were on the ground advising South Vietnamese Army units, and in that capacity, the green berets often carried older weapons such as the M-2 carbine. The M-2, dated to the Korean War, was more suited to the size and stature of Vietnamese troops than the M-14, and U.S. advisors carried them to increase commonality with the soldiers they advised (and sometimes led.) Although a useful weapon, the older .30-caliber cartridge lacked the power of the new, modern 5.56 cartridge.

Colt’s Manufacturing had purchased the rights to the AR-15 rifle from ArmaLite and manufactured the rifles for the Department of Defense as the M16. Colt’s solution to the short rifle problem was the CAR-15. Derived from the Colt Model 607 carbine, the CAR-15 featured a sliding buttstock that reduced overall length, and the barrel was shortened from 20 inches of the M16 to 10 inches. The new carbine also included a forward assist mechanism in the upper receiver, a push-button meant to help advance fresh cartridges into the battery.

M16A2 US soldier on shooting range
U.S. soldier shooting from M16A2 assault rifle (Photo: XY)
The Pentagon signed a contract in June 1966 with Colt for 2,815 Colt “Commando” rifles, although officially it was known as a “Submachine Gun, 5.56-mm, CAR-15”. Colt completed the deliveries within six months. The first rifles sent to the military were unmodified Colt 607s, designated XM177 in Air Force service and XM177E1 in Army service. Right away, soldiers noticed some issues with the new weapon. One major problem was that the drastic shortening of the barrel led to a large, bright fireball at the muzzle and very loud gunshot report the flash hider designed for the rifle was not up to the task. Soldiers also noted a problem with accuracy and thought the buttstock too complicated.

Within weeks Colt was back to the drawing board, and the result was the new Colt 629 Commando. The 629 featured a slightly longer barrel, at 11.5 inches, and a newly redesigned flash hider. A chrome-plated chamber helped prevent gunpowder residue from accumulating in the upper receiver, leading to stoppages. The result was what the company believed was the best compromise between a compact weapon and one that generated an obnoxious amount of noise and light on the battlefield.

The 629 was rebranded the XM177E2, and the Army placed an order for 510 of the E2 rifles in early 1967; the rifles to go to the U.S. Army’s Studies and Observation Group (SOG), Vietnam. Despite the bookish name, SOG was a cover for U.S. Army special forces reconnaissance teams operating in South Vietnam, North Vietnam, Cambodia, and, later, Laos. Green berets and the local troops that fleshed out their recon teams liked the CAR-15 for its compactness and firepower.

Another special forces unit that used the CAR-15 was the U.S. Navy SEAL teams. SEALs originally carried the Colt 607 but t***sitioned to the XM177E2 when available. Both SEALs and U.S. Army Special Forces continued to use the XM177 well into the 1970s, working around the lack of new production by cannibalizing some rifles to provide spare parts for others.

Vietnam-era MACV-SOG is a forerunner of the modern U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets)
Vietnam-era MACV-SOG is a forerunner of the modern U.S. Army Special Forces (Green Berets) (Photo: History)
The concept of a shorty M16 went dormant into the 1980s, but in the 1990s, the U.S. Army officially adopted the M4 carbine. Although not as short as the Colt Commando, as an offshoot of the original weapon separated by more than twenty years of research and development, the M4 is a more reliable and generally refined design. Today the M4 is the standard weapon assigned to U.S. Army and Marine Corps infantrymen worldwide. Another “shorty” M16 was the U.S. Navy’s Mk.18 Mod 0, a gun with a ten and a half-inch barrel currently issued to Navy SEAL teams. Between the two weapons, the legacy of the CAR-15 rifle lives on.

Kyle Mizokami is a defense and national-security writer based in San Francisco who has appeared in the Diplomat, Foreign Policy, War is Boring, and the Daily Beast. In 2009 he co-founded the defense and security blog Japan Security Watch. You can follow him on Twitter: @KyleMizokami.

AKA - Colt Automatic Rifle 15

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Aug 11, 2022 12:50:39   #
Liberty Tree
 
Milosia2 wrote:
And by adding a small piece of plastic becomes fully automatic.
Oops. That was supposed to be a big secret.


One can create a homemade one as well.

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Aug 11, 2022 16:57:51   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
kemmer wrote:
Yes. An AR15 can rip the entire mid section out of a deer. Some of the kids shot by an AR 15 in Uvalde TX could only be identified by theur clothing.


Ever shot a deer, boy?

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Aug 11, 2022 17:00:45   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Smedley_buzk**l wrote:
Ever shot a deer, boy?


What kind of question is that , boy!

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Aug 11, 2022 17:03:53   #
Milosia2 Loc: Cleveland Ohio
 
Liberty Tree wrote:
You could say that of someone shot in the face with a shotgun. Do you want to ban shotguns?


I would much rather ban stupidity
And ignorance.

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Aug 11, 2022 17:38:59   #
LogicallyRight Loc: Chicago
 
nwtk2007 wrote:
As far as I know, that is a lie. The AR-15 is pretty much just a deer rifle designed to look like a military style weapon, and Ii might even be wrong about that. But I'm pretty sure is was never designed or intended to be used on the battle field.

Am I wrong??


No, you are not wrong. The military would never accept them for use on the battle field as insufficient as an assault weapon. And opposition militarys would laugh at us.

Like we laugh at this beto fool. And I'd tell that to the face of that cowardly bastard.

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Aug 11, 2022 17:41:30   #
microphor Loc: Home is TN
 
Wolf counselor wrote:
WRONG

https://smallwarsjournal.com/jrnl/art/the-complete-history-of-the-ar-15-rifle#:~:text=Around%20the%20same%20time%2C%20the,8%2C500%20for%20Air%20Force%20use.&text=With%20the%20AR%2D15%20in,of%20the%20United%20States%20Military.


No I was right, I said it was tested for use with military and did not meet standards. Read the article

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