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Aug 6, 2022 09:16:48   #
dtucker300 Loc: Vista, CA
 
RascalRiley wrote:
It is the Republicans that want to change the Constitution.

19 GOP-controlled states, including four in 2022 alone (Nebraska, South Carolina, West Virginia, and Wisconsin), have passed applications and calls for a constitutional convention

https://www.businessinsider.com/constitutional-convention-conservatives-republicans-constitution-supreme-court-2022-7?op=1


Success of Convention of States causes threatened progressives to begin mainstream attacks
Published in Blog on August 03, 2022 by Article V Patriot


The Left is so scared of an Article V Convention of States that they’re attempting (and failing) to raise the alarm on the COS movement, which is halfway to convening a convention.

Hit pieces on Convention of States are in full force this week as power-hungry elitists begin to realize an Article V convention is a tangible solution that will permanently take power away from both Republicans and Democrats ingrained in Washington politics.

The Convention of States Project has been diligently working towards an Article V convention, with 19 of the 34 required states already passing the COS Resolution. However, the mainstream media is only just beginning to recognize the movement as a result of exponential momentum. The COS team could not be more excited to use this so-call ‘hit’ as an opportunity to spread the message to millions of more patriotic, freedom-loving Americans.

Business Insider reported on COS this week in a piece titled, Republicans' next big play is to 'scare the hell out of Washington' by rewriting the Constitution. And they're willing to play the long game to win. Other news outlets are using scare tactics in their reports on Convention of States this week as well.

Why the attacks? Because our movement threatens to take control away from people who have acquired an enormous amount of power and wealth. Sneaky and illegal political deals will no longer be so easy, and it will become difficult to stay in Washington for an extensive amount of time with term limits in place.

It appears we’re ‘scaring the hell out of’ progressives who could lose their widespread, centralized power. It’s not just Leftists either, but a small minority of Republicans who have spent their entire lives in Washington collecting unchecked power.

These attempted hit pieces come just months before the midterm elections, when some state legislatures could win over an adequate number of pro-COS representatives to pass the Resolution and help bring us closer to 34 states.

“The group with the most momentum, Convention of States, has 19 [states] at the moment so they’d need 15 more,” said Business Insider reporter Grace Panetta. “What is interesting is this movement in the context of Republicans' willingness to play the long game and achieve their goals over decades.”

COSA President Mark Meckler laughed at the Leftists’ ambush on the organization.

“There’s a statement of absolute horror that Congress couldn’t control it, the president couldn’t control it, and the courts couldn’t control it…. Oh my gosh, absolute horror,” Meckler mockingly said. “I literally saw that article – it’s a hit piece against us – and I thought, this is fantastic.”

The mainstream attack on Convention of States has just begun, but our grassroots is made up of hard-working, committed Americans who are ready to WIN the war on Washington!

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Aug 6, 2022 10:30:35   #
currahee506
 
We are divided because that is the nature of Communism. In its many forms, it has taken over our public schools via indoctrinated teachers from the universities and State colleges. When is the last time you debated with a person about "social justice?" Or had a discussion with anyone about the difference between "equal opportunity" and "equal outcome?" The public schools are merely tax-payer expensive "re-education camps."

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Aug 6, 2022 10:39:28   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
currahee506 wrote:
We are divided because that is the nature of Communism. In its many forms, it has taken over our public schools via indoctrinated teachers from the universities and State colleges. When is the last time you debated with a person about "social justice?" Or had a discussion with anyone about the difference between "equal opportunity" and "equal outcome?" The public schools are merely tax-payer expensive "re-education camps."


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Aug 6, 2022 11:20:19   #
Smedley_buzkill
 
RascalRiley wrote:
It is the Republicans that want to change the Constitution.

19 GOP-controlled states, including four in 2022 alone (Nebraska, South Carolina, West Virginia, and Wisconsin), have passed applications and calls for a constitutional convention

https://www.businessinsider.com/constitutional-convention-conservatives-republicans-constitution-supreme-court-2022-7?op=1


It is the Liberal Democrats who just simply want to ignore it and hope it goes away.

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Aug 6, 2022 11:28:33   #
Elwood Loc: Florida
 
dtucker300 wrote:
Woke progressive leftism is not compatible with the Constitution.


Amen to that.

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Aug 6, 2022 11:29:19   #
Elwood Loc: Florida
 
currahee506 wrote:
We are divided because that is the nature of Communism. In its many forms, it has taken over our public schools via indoctrinated teachers from the universities and State colleges. When is the last time you debated with a person about "social justice?" Or had a discussion with anyone about the difference between "equal opportunity" and "equal outcome?" The public schools are merely tax-payer expensive "re-education camps."


Sad but true.

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Aug 6, 2022 11:45:01   #
manning55 Loc: Richmond, Va
 
padremike wrote:
I'm a bit more basic inasmuch as I understand the divisions to be spiritual & probably unfixable especially if the Left wins & Conservatives are quashed. Allow me explain. The America I was born into in 1940 found the morals, values & faith in our homes were basically the same
ones found in our neighbor's home, taught in our schools, churches, our town, state & nation. They were traditional nation wide. The GOP & Democrats argued & fought over political issues yet were able to come to equitable compromises because neither side was called on to compromise those traditional American morals, values or faith. Enter Marxism into the Democratic Party and their new raison d'état, the Communist Manifesto, demanded for them to intentionally destroy traditional morals, values, faith & love of country. They have been wildly successful in those goals. These neo-Marxist Progressives have turned evil into virtue and convinced their ardent followers they are a benevolent organization concerned with the state of mankind and to fulfill all his needs. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Marxist do have a reputation to treat all people equal, rotten is their idea of equality! They have raised multiple American generation to deny God, hate America & pursue every form of illicit & unnatural sexual pleasures. They've destroyed the sanctity of life, traditional marriage & the nuclear family; they promote lawlessness and they scoff & ridicule anyone objecting to their "new morality."

America can wade thru politics; we cannot abolish traditional American morals, values, faith, love of country (nationaslism) & survive.
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Aug 6, 2022 14:19:17   #
elledee
 
Blade_Runner wrote:
Oh, crap! Not again?
Simply put an Article V convention of states IS NOT a constitutional convention,
it is merely a constitutional process for proposing amendments.

One again a foreigner, without a clue to the principles of our constitution, has made a fool of himself.

No Science, Only Spite Behind Trudeau’s Travel Ban


Damn right!!!!!

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Aug 6, 2022 14:41:55   #
Justice101
 
RascalRiley wrote:
The ultimate purpose of it is to change the constitution. Need to control.

> constitutional convention,
it is merely a constitutional process for proposing amendments.

It is a significant first step.

Will the future federal MAGA dynasty punish states that vote democrat to bring enough states on board.

Trump punished states that did not support him.


https://thehill.com/opinion/judiciary/3590840-an-attack-on-one-is-an-attack-on-all-time-for-a-red-state-nato-like-alliance-on-boycotts/

“An attack on one is an attack on all.” That reference to Article 5 of the NATO treaty is a virtual mantra in Washington these days as “the bedrock of peace and security in Europe for over half a century.” But the benefits of such deterrence should not be lost on another group under increasing threat for their political alliances: America’s red states.

From California to Illinois, legislators are moving to boycott any state contracts with businesses in states with anti-LGBTQ legislation or restrictive abortion laws. At the same time, many Democratic leaders are pressuring companies to boycott red states too.

This past week, California Gov. Gavin Newsom (D) called upon Hollywood production companies to stop filming in states such as Georgia or Oklahoma with strict anti-abortion laws. In Georgia, Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams has warned that companies will cut off ties with such states, including her own, if they do not change their laws. (Abrams previously was criticized by conservatives for fueling the boycott of her own state which led to the withdrawal of the All-Star Game from Atlanta over election reform laws.)

Such campaigns have succeeded, particularly with private companies. Indeed, in both restricting speech and boycotting states, the left has found greater success with private companies than with voters in pushing their agenda. The New York Times warned pro-life states that they risk their “competitive edge” in the market if they do not change their laws to conform with blue-state views.

The boycott threats have been growing since 2016, when North Carolina was targeted for passing a bill limiting bathroom access by biological gender.

The point of these campaigns is to pressure state officials to ignore the will of a majority of their citizens and pass laws to appeal to corporations and other states in a competitive market. Such boycotts by private citizens or groups are an important form of political speech; various state laws barring state contracts with those who support boycotts of Israel, for example, have been struck down as unconstitutional, although an appellate court recently upheld an Arkansas law.

However, states or companies engaging in such boycotts is a different matter. Many consumers do not want companies like Disney to engage in political debates over issues like transgender rights. One poll showed 67 percent opposed corporate opposition to an “anti-grooming” law, a view that appears to be impacting Disney. Consumers can vote with their pocketbooks in the “go woke, go broke” movement.

For Democratic leaders like California Attorney General Rob Bonta, official boycotts on travel are simply a case of states acting like consumers and “aligning our dollars with our values.” However, it is more than that. It is speaking as a state to isolate and punish states with opposing views on abortion, transgender rights, gun rights and other policies. In a system based on federalism principles, we embraced the model of allowing each state to reach its own conclusions on divisive questions. The result can be consensus around moderate positions that escape both parties, which often are driven by the extremes on issues like abortion.

Take this week’s vote in Kansas, which surprised many by overwhelmingly supporting the preservation of abortion rights. Although many Democrats demand unrestricted abortion rights and many Republicans demand total bans, a Harvard-Harris poll shows 72 percent of Americans would allow abortion only until the 15th week of pregnancy or a more restrictive limit. When states try to coerce other states to yield to their demands on such issues, they hinder state experimentation and expression.

The result is increasingly bizarre. California college sports teams are barred from spending money to travel to any state on the liberal “naughty list” — a problem when you are USC and UCLA and just moved from the Pac 12 to the Big Ten. They now face raising private funds to be able to play in blacklisted states.

There is a way to end this madness. It is an Article 5-like alliance.

While this would ideally be an agreement by all states, red states should pass legislation barring state business or travel with any state that engages in boycotts. The key would be that the agreement must stand on principle, allow no exceptions, and trigger immediate reciprocity: A travel ban on, say, Nebraska would result in a reciprocal ban not just from Nebraska but from every state in the alliance.

In this way, when a state like California targets a state like Utah, it will shoot itself with roughly half of the country. Eventually the administrative and competitive costs of such measures would become prohibitive.

California’s enormous economy has given leaders like Gov. Newsom a sense of impunity in targeting other states. There are now 17 states on California’s banned list under a 2016 law that automatically adds states which discriminate against or remove protections for people on the basis of sex, gender identity or sexual orientation. Imagine if those 17 states had automatic reciprocity laws — add any one of us to a boycott list, and you will be boycotted back by all.

Frustration alone won’t change the two-party system

Newsom is running ads in Florida and Texas, telling their residents that “freedom is under attack in your state” — based on a majority of voters there reaching opposing conclusions on controversial issues — and urging Floridians and Texans to move to California. They appear to have two options in Newsom’s mind: Move to California or adopt its positions, so democracy will be safe from itself.

Evan Low, a California lawmaker who authored that state’s ban, put it simply: “The current culture war is not a game.” Indeed — which is why we should look to “the most successful military alliance in history” to end reckless incursions by neighboring states.

Jonathan Turley is the Shapiro Professor of Public Interest Law at George Washington University. Follow him on Twitter @JonathanTurley.

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Aug 6, 2022 15:22:06   #
pegw
 
I think the division of Americans statred when Clinton got rid of media companies having to show both sides of an issue. Now everyone is in their own worlds, with the Fox news people on one side and the Mainstream media on the other.

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Aug 6, 2022 15:47:54   #
rebelwidacoz Loc: Illinois
 
Elwood wrote:
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James Madison

Frankly, because it is too big and culturally diverse to be governed centrally. And contrary to prevailing opinion, there are some very astute thinkers on the left as well as the right who have offered some compelling arguments to that effect.

The constitutional framers were fully aware of the immense cultural, political and economic diversity of the United States when they convened in Philadelphia in May, 1787. Despite several appeals to bind the 13 self-governing states under a national government, the framers settled on a system that Madison characterized as a compound republic: a “republic of republics” in which states retained sovereignty as well as many of the attributes of nationhood while delegating to the general government a handful of powers that were more effectively exercised at a continental level: national defense, foreign policy and a means of raising revenue that only sufficient to pay off the Revolutionary War debt but also to ensure that the general government was effectively equipped to garner sufficient revenue to carry out these tasks.

Some nationalists, notably Hamilton, wanted the general government to be equipped with a veto on state legislature to safeguard its relatively narrow prerogatives, but this was rejected.

States reserved the power to chart their own domestic policies.

Today, the federal government, significantly through passage of the 14th Amendment, has garned significant control over state domestic policy - a measure that many Americans would applaud for the role it has served in securing the descendants of freed slaves many of the common rights of citizenship of which their forebears were deprived in the years following emancipation.

Even so, the growth of federal power at the expense of the states has created plenty of mischief and ill feeling along both sides of the blue/red divide.

In what can be regarded as an unorthodox but courageous column, Michael Malice stressed in The Observer some 6 years ago that the United States has functioned as a united country only at a few times in history: in the “Era of Good Feeling” following the collapse of the Hamiltonian Federalist party, during the FDR presidency as the nation battled its way through a global depression and another world war and, more recently, after the Iraqi invasion and the attack on the Twin Towers and the Pentagon.

Aside from that, the term “the United States” has served to obfuscate a number of historical complexities. Malice argues that this includes an especially inconvenient and painful truth: that the United States has never possessed a common culture and never will, despite the efforts of Abraham Lincoln and a host of public intellectuals and academics to invent one.

Yet, there other painful realities that should be addressed and likely will at some point as the divisions are felt more acutely: namely, the fact that the country possesses a population now exceeding 300-million, rendering effective central governance on a constitutional, democractic basis increasingly impractical.

Years ago, in fact, the progressive decentrist Gar Alperovitz has raised one of the great ironies bound up in James Madison's legacy: that he favored big national polities, albeit only up to their optimal levels off efficiency. Beyond that point, he stressed in a letter to his mentor, Thomas Jefferson, that a sprawling nation-state supplies elites at the center to exploit division and undermine democratic government.

We arguably passed that inflection point decades ago. Indeed in the early 1990's a revered nonagenarian diplomat, George F. Kennan, argued in his memoirs that the country would be far better off divided into ten or so “constituent republics,” vested with virtually all the powers of domestic governance, while the general government is restricted only to those powers assigned to it by the framers.

Whether the country ever manages to work out a means whereby effective governance is restored in the form of viable federalism and genuine democratic policy-making remains an open question.

If it is not resolved, there is the increasingly likelihood, as Alperovitz stesses, that large states such as California and even regions will begin unilaterally functioning more or less as de facto nation-states. And if this occurs, we may face an unraveling effect not all that far removed from the late Soviet Union.
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Pride,it's one of the seven deadly sins.One aspect of the populous cannot admit when their wrong.

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Aug 6, 2022 15:57:38   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
rebelwidacoz wrote:
Pride,it's one of the seven deadly sins.One aspect of the populous cannot admit when their wrong.


Pride is the first part of every sin. Pride is the life's blood of the Democrat Party whose primary agenda is to promote nihilism & moral relativism.

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Aug 6, 2022 16:51:21   #
goch1
 
A lot of lengthy long explanations of our divisive country now! A simple answer could just be different ideas about what is morally right and what is morally wrong

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Aug 6, 2022 17:13:42   #
padremike Loc: Phenix City, Al
 
goch1 wrote:
A lot of lengthy long explanations of our divisive country now! A simple answer could just be different ideas about what is morally right and what is morally wrong


That which is right will always be right no matter who says it's wrong. That which is wrong will always be wrong no matter who says it is right. Moral absolutes. The only moral absolute that the Left acknowledges is that there is no such thing as a moral absolute. Yet, no society that adopted the moral relativism you suggests ever survived. That Truth alone should have the Left proceed with caution yet they won't even slow down. Despots are always positive they will succeed where everyone previously failed.

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Aug 6, 2022 20:10:08   #
db
 
I'm never really sure what brings you to these statements but it is not from learning both sides and coming to a reasonable conclusion. You tend to make pronouncements with only 1/3 of the information.

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