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Oct 28, 2014 19:41:39   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Chinese made the flat panel Solyndra made a cylindrical tube that would catch the rays from all angle. And it did not weight as much and was easier to install.

But evidently that was not good enough or just too expensive for anyone to want.

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Oct 28, 2014 23:41:22   #
Kay Littrell
 
Rent seeking behavior by those with the inside track or ability to feed at the government hog trough has been the downfall of many a government or ruler, both Democratic and Despotic in nature. I can think of no better examples than both the American and the French Revolutions.

Therefor be careful, be very very careful of the rent seeking behavior that you endorse. During the American Revolution a full 1/3 of all civilian citizens met their deaths or were forced to flee to other nations by their erstwhile friends, family and countrymen. Is your Argentine visa in order?

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Oct 29, 2014 10:20:28   #
Airforceone
 
greyfox wrote:
But evidently that was not good enough or just too expensive for anyone to want.


It was a good idea originally. Just look at the investor that got on board. This happens but do we stop investing in technology or do we stop.

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Oct 29, 2014 10:22:03   #
Airforceone
 
Kay Littrell wrote:
Rent seeking behavior by those with the inside track or ability to feed at the government hog trough has been the downfall of many a government or ruler, both Democratic and Despotic in nature. I can think of no better examples than both the American and the French Revolutions.

Therefor be careful, be very very careful of the rent seeking behavior that you endorse. During the American Revolution a full 1/3 of all civilian citizens met their deaths or were forced to flee to other nations by their erstwhile friends, family and countrymen. Is your Argentine visa in order?
Rent seeking behavior by those with the inside tra... (show quote)


Not sure what your talking about

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Oct 30, 2014 00:21:14   #
Kay Littrell
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Not sure what your talking about


DEFINITION of 'Rent-Seeking' When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation.

OR

In economics (see public choice theory), rent-seeking is spending wealth on political lobbying to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating wealth.

All or both of these definitions directly relate to the rosy picture painted by you the beginning poster of Solyndra and their business practices. So basically you just said that you had no idea of what you're talking about in the beginning post of this thread.

Solyndra's picture is in my dictionary right next to the definition of Rent Seeking.

Rent seeking usually is, but it is not limited to crony capitalism and trade union activities.

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Oct 30, 2014 11:20:08   #
Airforceone
 
Kay Littrell wrote:
DEFINITION of 'Rent-Seeking' When a company, organization or individual uses their resources to obtain an economic gain from others without reciprocating any benefits back to society through wealth creation.

OR

In economics (see public choice theory), rent-seeking is spending wealth on political lobbying to increase one's share of existing wealth without creating wealth.

All or both of these definitions directly relate to the rosy picture painted by you the beginning poster of Solyndra and their business practices. So basically you just said that you had no idea of what you're talking about in the beginning post of this thread.

Solyndra's picture is in my dictionary right next to the definition of Rent Seeking.

Rent seeking usually is, but it is not limited to crony capitalism and trade union activities.
DEFINITION of 'Rent-Seeking' When a company, organ... (show quote)


So what your saying is the government has no right in investing in innovation

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Oct 30, 2014 13:11:01   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
tdsrnest wrote:
It was a good idea originally. Just look at the investor that got on board. This happens but do we stop investing in technology or do we stop.


You find a way without spending billions!!!!!---try it on a smaller scale---no need for such a large building until you KNOW it will work and sell---they did it azzz backwards including paying large wages!!

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Oct 30, 2014 13:22:00   #
mouset783 Loc: Oklahoma
 
tdsrnest wrote:
Chinese made the flat panel Solyndra made a cylindrical tube that would catch the rays from all angle. And it did not weight as much and was easier to install.


Ten to one a union was involved one way or another and could not compete with the Chinese prices despite it was a better product. They destroyed a proud city like Detroit so I imagine Solyndra was apiece of cake.

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Oct 30, 2014 16:03:12   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
mouset783 wrote:
Ten to one a union was involved one way or another and could not compete with the Chinese prices despite it was a better product. They destroyed a proud city like Detroit so I imagine Solyndra was apiece of cake.


Yes i think you are exactly right----i hear the top people were all big Obama doners.

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Oct 30, 2014 22:44:36   #
Kay Littrell
 
tdsrnest wrote:
So what your saying is the government has no right in investing in innovation


To give you a good idea of the innovative genius of government, the United States of America government had been working on a heavier than air airplane for ten years before the Wright Brothers made their first successful flight at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

The government aircraft was state of the art too, it was a steam powered airplane. This is not a joke but it is SOP in the halls of government .

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Oct 31, 2014 09:32:06   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
Kay Littrell wrote:
To give you a good idea of the innovative genius of government, the United States of America government had been working on a heavier than air airplane for ten years before the Wright Brothers made their first successful flight at Kitty Hawk, North Carolina.

The government aircraft was state of the art too, it was a steam powered airplane. This is not a joke but it is SOP in the halls of government .

That just shows how poorly thought out some new things can be----imagine what would be involved with a steampowered power plant for an airplane that nobody even knows if it would get off the ground!!!!! Start simple and advance from there--have success and improve on it!!!!

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Nov 1, 2014 01:48:31   #
Kay Littrell
 
greyfox wrote:
That just shows how poorly thought out some new things can be----imagine what would be involved with a steampowered power plant for an airplane that nobody even knows if it would get off the ground!!!!! Start simple and advance from there--have success and improve on it!!!!


What I would like to know is where was the fireman supposed to stand while he stoked the boiler with coal, and what would happen if the fireman dropped his shovel and couldn't keep the fire going. ROFLMAO

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Nov 1, 2014 02:20:17   #
Kay Littrell
 
greyfox wrote:
You find a way without spending billions!!!!!---try it on a smaller scale---no need for such a large building until you KNOW it will work and sell---they did it azzz backwards including paying large wages!!


Up until the 1960s Detroit, Michigan was the embodiment of the American Dream. Detroit was the wealthiest city in the USA when measured by personal income. The UAW and other unions needed less than 30 years to t***sform the American Dream into the American Nightmare.

Now I am not saying that it was all the Unions fault but when I went there with my DH to buy used cars it was customary to bribe the police when an officer noticed our out-of-state tag and waved us over and asked to see our ID. The only ID picture that they wanted to see was Andrew Jackson's

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Nov 1, 2014 11:51:03   #
greyfox Loc: western mass.
 
Kay Littrell wrote:
What I would like to know is where was the fireman supposed to stand while he stoked the boiler with coal, and what would happen if the fireman dropped his shovel and couldn't keep the fire going. ROFLMAO


The way they do things they probably never gave that a thought!!!!!

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Nov 1, 2014 11:56:19   #
Kirk
 
tdsrnest wrote:
There has been so much said about Obama and Solyndra so I decided to do a little research as to how this company had qualified for stimulus money. And to look at the GOPTP claim that Obama headed a company that donated to his campaign which I found out was one of those Fox News lies because the president and CEO of Solyndra was actually a registered republican but let's not let facts get confused with Half t***hs .

To put things in prospective we all have to understand corporate failure rate of all companies going in and out of business instead of the propaganda spread by the right that 9 out of 10 companies go out of business. Although the failure rate is high but we have to keep in mind that companies do fail in this country for any number of reasons. But if we don't invest in start up companies there would be no success stories so the stats that I found were as follows. Year #1----25% failure rate. Year #5------55% year #10---71%

Now the clearest evidence that I could find that Solyndra was a worthy recipient of the stimulus is it also attracted big name investors and top venture capital firms including Richard Branson, KKR, and Argonaut Private Equity.
In a 2010 Article in the WSJ named Solyndra the top Venture backed Clean-Tech company. The MIT Technology review named it one of the worlds 50 most innovative companies in the world. Goldman Sachs was the lead investment banker. So the notion that Solyndra was a boondoggle for Obama cronies is silly. The Kaiser Family invested in Solyndra as did a lot of unnamed republicans.
Solyndra's 2nd largest investor was Madrone Capital Partners which is also linked to the Walton Family hardly friends of Obama.

Solyndras lobbyist firm was Bill Weld a prominent supporter of Mitt Romney. Hardly friends of Obama. Kind of blows away Mitts dumb comments.

Solyndra fell also under the Bush Energy Policy Act of 2005 and then was expanded into the American Recovery Act. The Bush administration Department of Energy selected that Solyndra move forward in the process.

I think we all remember when Fox reported they quoted the inspector General said that contracts were steered towards Obama friends I found that to be crazy. Inspector General never said that. Fox was asked for documentation and as it turned out it produced an article , but all it was is an excerpt from a book. (Throw Them ALL OUT) by Peter Schweizer who served as an advisor to Sarah Palin.

The Fox report of course started a major investigation by House Republicans always looking for a scandal. Found no evidence of wrong doing in the Loan Guarantee Program. Fox has still not reported on there findings and allowed the GOPTP to continue to think of wrongdoings. If you read the report it also indicated that Solyndra was seen by many business experts as promising.

The report also indicated that Solyndra had not donated any money to Obama. This was strictly a republican investigation. The investigation consisted of 32 congressional letters, compiled 187,000 pages of documents, 72,000 pages from Solyndra investors 9 committee staff interviews briefings, 5 full committee hearings and $7 million spent and could find no wrongdoings were reported. But did Fox inform there cult followers that nothing found.

It has been reported that the reason the GOPTP scandals persist because it is a handy pretext for demanding documents , and who knows what might turn up. There constant fishing expeditions are just costing this country millions but they never report there findings and just move onto the next fishing expedition.

Just remember there are always risks involved with investing in innovation and corporation succeed and they fail in this country. But does that mean this country stops investing. How many times in the history of this country have we invested innovation and things fail but we lean from it and move on. Only under Obama are such things just blown out of proportion.

Defense Star Wars how much did Reagan invest and we all know what a big failure that was. I am not trying to criticize anybody that invest in innovation that's how our country has advanced. But why now
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I believe it is not the federal governments place to invest in any start up comany. Solyndra received an enormous amount of money and lost it within a year. If they had to go through the normal business loan process they probably wouldn't have received a dime. The market already had manufacturers of solar panels etc. and so the market data was in place to decide if Solyndra was worthy of such an investment. That is why the free market works better.

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