Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

The original intention was that the citizenry be the m*****a, and not have a standing army. Also that they retain weapons for hunting and personal protection. Reality is that I don't disagree with that. I do doubt that there was any prescient thought in their minds that semi-automatic weapons (or automatic weapons for that matter) would be developed . I also doubt that they thought there would be people acquiring layers of multiple weapons for their personal protection.
And for others that have piled on - you don't have to read slow and use small words. That is demeaning and not appropriate if there is to be civil discourse. Since that appears to be something some people have issues with, I will respectfully withdraw from this conversation and look elsewhere (within OPP) for other topics.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

I never told you to read slow. Could care less if you leave.

https://ammo.com/articles/founding-fathers-quotes-second-amendment-guns-keep-and-bear-arms

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Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

My recollection is that they did not want a standing army, the m*****a was intended to come together for anything needed at the national level.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

That is correct. Foreign wars were something I believe the Founders would abhor today unless said war was a direct threat to our interests.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

The definition of "interests" then become the driver.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Yep. War mongers have used that word like a “weapon.”

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

I agree.

Liberty Tree

A******n abuses the right to life of every unborn child.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

Who takes care of the child after the mother has been forced to give birth? Adoptions are down - plus I doubt many (if any) of the people advocating for this will line up to adopt. I have talked to some, and each one said that they wouldn't because of the potential for the child to have "problems" because of the circumstances of the birth.
This has become a religion and control issue. Control women to keep them in their "rightful" place and force your religious beliefs onto someone else.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

This was a great victory for the black community. 70% of a******n clinics are in black neighborhoods. Black women make up about 6.5% of the population yet have around 36% of all a******ns. Mother forced to give birth? This overturning of Roe vs Wade doesn't outlaw a******n; unfortunately. the way you people justify the ending of a life is sickening. It's a control issue to people like you because you can't control your urges or take responsibility for your choices. it's is a moral issue for me. I believe a fetus is a life. If I believe that I must be against a******n.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

How long before Tucker Carlson bemoans the fact that this ruling will make the Great Replacement Theory even a bigger problem?

SCOTUS, you, me and everyone else knows that the decision to send it back to the states will trigger laws already on the books, with more to come, to effectively ban a******ns. The Right to Life movement has been chomping at the bit for this to happen. Some of the states have no exceptions for rape, incest, health issues or anything. At least one state put a bounty on someone seeking a******ns in another state. This is oppressive and I believe wrong.

"You people" is rather broad. I, personally don't like a******ns. I personally don't believe that the government should get in the middle of a very personal and difficult decision. When presented the option many years ago, we chose not to abort a surprise, unwanted pregnancy. We have never recovered financially, but do not regret our choice.

To say it is a moral issue and that people should control themselves sounds like it's based on the Judeo-Christian belief system. That then brings religion into the discussion. No matter how it is spun, it comes to imposing other people's religious beliefs onto someone else.

If you don't believe in a******n that's fine. Don't have one. Let people have the choice - that is the crux of my position.

JFlorio Loc: Seminole Florida

Who cares what Tucker Carlson says? Get a life. Or not. Oh the humanity. States rights. Damn right. That's exactly where things like this belong with the states. Don't like your legislators, v**e em out. Prove that bounty statement. You are entitled to your opinion and lack of beliefs. I proudly stand on the side of life. Both Christianity and science say a Fetus is a life. Unfortunately the one being terminated doesn't get a v**e.

Elrond51 Loc: New Mexico

I don't give a damn what TC says either. But he gets a lot of traction from the Faux News followers.

Look at the Texas law. $10000 "reward" for turning someone in who gets an a******n. Or for someone aiding. Sounds like a bounty to me.

You can proudly stand on the side of life while I stand on the side of choice.

Peaver Bogart Loc: Montana

Most of the women (excuse me, birthing persons) getting a******ns are doing it for convenience. They just don't want to be bothered with a child. Haven't they heard of contraceptives?

contraceptive
[ kŏn′trə-sĕp′tĭv ]
adj.
Capable of preventing conception.
n.
A device, drug, or chemical agent that prevents conception.