Guns: A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe...

Unintended Consequences

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Unintended Consequences wrote:

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

Arm yourself............Goober.

American Vet

Unintended Consequences wrote:

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

As a Matter of Fact, the Founding Fathers Did Know About Repeating Rifles
https://www.thet***haboutguns.com/founding-fathers-knew-repeating-rifles-bill-rights-drafted/

And the Founding Fathers had old fashioned printing presses - does that negate modern newspapers - and most certainly the Internet? Radios? Television? (freedom of speech and freedom of the press)

The intent was that the citizens possess weapons commonly in use...you can study SCOTUS rulings in regard to that - as well as the writings of the Founding Fathers.

Bevvy

Unintended Consequences wrote:

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

Maybe we need single shot cars so if the car k**ls one it stops , as in Waukesha,Wi
how about single shot knives so if one is stabbed , it will not stab the second

microphor Loc: Home is TN

Unintended Consequences wrote:

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

The 2nd amendment is not about what kind of gun is used. It's about a well regulated M*****a being necessary to the security of a free state. the right of the people to keep end bare arms shall not be infringed.

Unintended Consequences

American Vet wrote:

As a Matter of Fact, the Founding Fathers Did Know... (show quote)

I stand or sit corrected but my question remains. Where do we draw the line? What will it take to stop the murder of a whole classroom full of children?

Wolf counselor Loc: Heart of Texas

Unintended Consequences wrote:

I stand or sit corrected but my question remains. Where do we draw the line? What will it take to stop the murder of a whole classroom full of children?

It's simple...... Goober.

Arm the kids.

Bevvy

Unintended Consequences wrote:

A single shot rifle is what the Founding Fathers had in mind when they wrote the second amendment. My question is, where is the line. Do you need a cannon in your yard. Maybe some grenades in case you have an argument with the neighbors. Do we need security at every school, church and grocery store? I mean the kind of security you go through at the airport.

Where is the outrage over F******l ? That is now the leading cause of death in ages 18-45 .

https://www.foxnews.com/us/f******l-overdoses-leading-cause-death-adults

Do you have a clue as to how it's getting into the country ?

https://www.dea.gov/sites/default/files/2020-03/DEA_GOV_DIR-008-20%20F******l%20Flow%20in%20the%20United%20States_0.pdf

Who is keeping the path open for the t***sportation of this dangerous drug ?

American Vet

Unintended Consequences wrote:

I stand or sit corrected but my question remains. Where do we draw the line? What will it take to stop the murder of a whole classroom full of children?

Suggestions? I have seen several. Read the one about Israel

First: Enforce existing laws. The young man in Uvalde should have been on the NICS list.

Second: Schools are soft targets - make them hard targets. And for those who cry about how expensive it is - ask them how much a child's life is worth. And ask them how much we spend on i*****l a***ns. And ask them how much money goes to foreign countries. And countless other wastes of taxpayers dollars.

Then start with these.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/how-schools-in-israel-keep-students-safe-and-prevent-mass-shootings/

When terrorists attacked a school in Maalot in 1974, instead of declaring every school a gun-free zone, Israel passed a law mandating armed security in schools, provided weapons training to teachers, and, even today, runs frequent active shooter drills. There have been only two school shootings since then, and both have ended with teachers k*****g the terrorists.
https://thepoliticalinsider.com/israel-armed-teachers/

And, I might mention these things as well:

Politicians have protection - either thru the government (Secret Service, etc.)

Wealthy have protection - they hire armed guards.

You put your money in a bank - all sorts of protection there.

Military bases are protected - by the soldiers, limited access, etc.

Airports/airplanes are protected - TSA, body searches, etc.

What protects the school kids?

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Bevvy wrote:

Maybe we need single shot cars so if the car k**ls one it stops , as in Waukesha,Wi
how about single shot knives so if one is stabbed , it will not stab the second

Lol, is this like your brain, you have one thought and then it stops.

Smedley_buzkill

Unintended Consequences wrote:

I stand or sit corrected but my question remains. Where do we draw the line? What will it take to stop the murder of a whole classroom full of children?

Here is some more correction; the k**ler was outside the school shooting for more than ten minutes before he walked into the school unchallenged through a door that no one locked. Once inside the school, he was in there for more than an hour while the Uvalde police stood around with both their thumbs and heads up their asses. At least one wounded child died while they were busy pepper spraying, tazing and arresting frantic parents rather than effecting entry. The k**ler could have had a single shot rifle or shotgun and k**led just as many, and far more, given the fact that he was the only one with a gun for more than an hour. Do you think that someone who is k**led with a pump or lever action rifle is somehow less dead? How does a ban on semi autos or magazines fix the problem of incompetent and cowardly law enforcement? "Protect and Serve," my ass.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Unintended Consequences wrote:

I stand or sit corrected but my question remains. Where do we draw the line? What will it take to stop the murder of a whole classroom full of children?

I think raising the age to 21 or 25 to purchase these weapons.

Tiptop789 Loc: State of Denial

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

Here is some more correction; the k**ler was outsi... (show quote)

No but aren't most shot guns limited to the amount of wheels they can hold. Quite a difference between a 30 clip magazine and a 3 or 5 shell shot gun. Of course you're right, dead is dead, but k*****g an entire class in just a few minutes is horrific.

Smedley_buzkill

Tiptop789 wrote:

I think raising the age to 21 or 25 to purchase these weapons.

Then raise the age for military service to 21 or 25, because military personnel have REAL assault weapons. Let me ask you a question, and I'm serious; you think that a ban on semi autos or magazines would have prevented this? One. More. Time. The shooter was outside the school shooting for more than ten minutes before he walked into the school unchallenged through an UNLOCKED DOOR. The cops conveniently got there just after he had entered the building, and stood around outside, busily tazing and arresting frantic parents while the k**ler shot their children. For more than an hour these asswipes stood around outside the building, more concerned with arresting frantic parents than exposing their precious asses to danger. The k**ler was inside with a bunch of unarmed kids for more than an hour. How the hell does what kind of rifle he had have any effect? He could have had a single shot rifle or shotgun and k**led just as many. When no one can shoot back, it doesn't matter. You have all the time you need. Why the hell do you think almost every single mass shooting happens in gun free zones?

nwtk2007 Loc: Texas

Smedley_buzk**l wrote:

Then raise the age for military service to 21 or 2... (show quote)

This is the common scenario. Instantly the guns are blamed but as we dig into it, we find the multiple ways the protective system failed or was altered such that it became ineffective.