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May 15, 2022 22:28:05   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
No...

A global empire, perhaps...

But never a single government....


I agree that there must not be a Global government, but there must be something that can be done that will make war very difficult for the protagonist. Perhaps a coalition of strong nations that can apply all manner of pressure or even force to stop the war adventure. Not the UN. They must all agree to the sanctity of life and the Golden Rule of course, among other constraints. But I dream. It is what it is, now.

So, what can be done? The UN is not effective. I suppose the idea is more like NATO with a worldwide mandate to stop aggressions. A western solution, not an Asian one. So it would have to be augmented, and here comes the big Kahuna, China, that cannot be ignored, and India, Indonesia and Japan. This begins to look like the UN Security Council all over again, with veto powers and such. Not a good idea either. Unanimity is not there. Back to reality.

It is what it is! And there is little to stop wars from happening.

And there are nations that do not believe in the sanctity of life, nor the Golden Rule! And they have nukes! We are in for it one way or another.

Someone tell me which nations fit that description, that have in recent times murdered millions of their people. Could it possibly be some C*******t nations? Would they do such things to human beings? Such acts can never be ignored, or excused by changes in the government. Evil people still exist in their nations, even with a highly controlled version of capitalism underneath the Cominform.

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May 15, 2022 22:37:11   #
TruePatriot49 Loc: The Democratic People's Republic Rhode Island
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
You left out Iran's threat to Israel...

If China reclaims its wayward province, only a nation bent on suicide would interfere...

We're talking about a piece of real estate that has belonged to China for centuries... And a policy put in place by the US and other Western powers that proclaims Taiwan is an inalienable part of China... (That idea sure came back to bite us in the ass)

On top of that, there's no real reason to aid the Taiwanese... Western interests are in no way threatened....

But the economic repercussions of fighting China would make the current inflation and black of goods look like a walk in the park...

The eagle should be wary lest his wings be singed when the d**gon awakes...
You left out Iran's threat to Israel... br br If... (show quote)



CD, you are not very smart, thus the l*****t tag on you. Taiwan produces most of the computer chips for the world. Taiwan is critical to the USA and the world. Ukraine is of no real importance to anyone. F. Joe Biden and the l*****t Democrats don't like Russia so they are supporting the war. Taiwan needs to be protected and the USA needs to recognize them as an independent country.

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May 15, 2022 23:46:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
TruePatriot49 wrote:
CD, you are not very smart, thus the l*****t tag on you. Taiwan produces most of the computer chips for the world. Taiwan is critical to the USA and the world. Ukraine is of no real importance to anyone. F. Joe Biden and the l*****t Democrats don't like Russia so they are supporting the war. Taiwan needs to be protected and the USA needs to recognize them as an independent country.


Those computer chips would still be produced...You'd just be buying them from China...

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May 15, 2022 23:50:58   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
manning5 wrote:
I agree that there must not be a Global government, but there must be something that can be done that will make war very difficult for the protagonist. Perhaps a coalition of strong nations that can apply all manner of pressure or even force to stop the war adventure. Not the UN. They must all agree to the sanctity of life and the Golden Rule of course, among other constraints. But I dream. It is what it is, now.

So, what can be done? The UN is not effective. I suppose the idea is more like NATO with a worldwide mandate to stop aggressions. A western solution, not an Asian one. So it would have to be augmented, and here comes the big Kahuna, China, that cannot be ignored, and India, Indonesia and Japan. This begins to look like the UN Security Council all over again, with veto powers and such. Not a good idea either. Unanimity is not there. Back to reality.

It is what it is! And there is little to stop wars from happening.

And there are nations that do not believe in the sanctity of life, nor the Golden Rule! And they have nukes! We are in for it one way or another.

Someone tell me which nations fit that description, that have in recent times murdered millions of their people. Could it possibly be some C*******t nations? Would they do such things to human beings? Such acts can never be ignored, or excused by changes in the government. Evil people still exist in their nations, even with a highly controlled version of capitalism underneath the Cominform.
I agree that there must not be a Global government... (show quote)


I'm confused... Capitalist nations slaughtered millions of people throughout the past few centuries... Some like the US and Canada haven't changed their governments.. And many of these nations are responsible for the deaths of millions in the ME and Africa...Not too mention numerous regime changes and deaths caused by sanctions...

What makes them any better than the c****e nations???

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May 16, 2022 09:32:36   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I'm confused... Capitalist nations slaughtered millions of people throughout the past few centuries... Some like the US and Canada haven't changed their governments.. And many of these nations are responsible for the deaths of millions in the ME and Africa...Not too mention numerous regime changes and deaths caused by sanctions...

What makes them any better than the c****e nations???


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There is proof of c*******t k*****gs in the hundreds of millions within the last 100 years. To make your point, you had to invoke centuries for other, democratic nations, and I have no count for them that is reliable, or any solid proof. Certainly not at the sheer brutality level of the C*******ts who were k*****g simply to get rid of dissidents. Do you? War casualties, yes, but even there, the Kamikaze attacks of both the Chinese and the Soviets were in the 10's of millions of deaths.

Seems to me this is a fruitless argument to compare death totals this way, without accounting for the why's of it. My contention is that the C*******ts k**led simply to rid themselves of dissidents and in the many tens of millions. That is a significant difference. I contend that life has been extremely cheap in C*******t nations, but not in the free world.

The implications of your question leave me cold, disappointed, and unhappy, but I forget that you are not a US citizen, and not even in your own country. Where do your loyalties lie?

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May 16, 2022 18:04:34   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
manning5 wrote:
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There is proof of c*******t k*****gs in the hundreds of millions within the last 100 years. To make your point, you had to invoke centuries for other, democratic nations, and I have no count for them that is reliable, or any solid proof. Certainly not at the sheer brutality level of the C*******ts who were k*****g simply to get rid of dissidents. Do you? War casualties, yes, but even there, the Kamikaze attacks of both the Chinese and the Soviets were in the 10's of millions of deaths.

Seems to me this is a fruitless argument to compare death totals this way, without accounting for the why's of it. My contention is that the C*******ts k**led simply to rid themselves of dissidents and in the many tens of millions. That is a significant difference. I contend that life has been extremely cheap in C*******t nations, but not in the free world.

The implications of your question leave me cold, disappointed, and unhappy, but I forget that you are not a US citizen, and not even in your own country. Where do your loyalties lie?
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I was unaware that there was a statute of limitations for atrocities... By why is 100 years the limit???

How about we play with my lifetime???

I was born in 1984... Now compare the atrocities of c*******t nations in that tike to the atrocities of Western nations... Oh dear...That doesn't look to good for your argument...

As for brutality...
Look into the Belgium Congo...
Or the Boer camps of South Africa...
Oops...Sorry..Too old...

Ok... How about the millions of deaths in Iraq due to American led sanctions??? Brutal...

You're off as to why the death toll in c*******t nations was so high as well...
Certainly they eliminated dissidents...But far more starved to death due to piss poor management of the agricultural system...
I***tic...But hardly intentional...

How expensive is life in the free world???
I mean, the bombs and drones you drop daily in the Middle East are fairly costly, I get it, but surely that can't count because they're not part of the free world...

I've been waiting for you to bring up my nationality and nation of residence... You certainly come off as well reasoned and informed when you resort to such a diminutive argument

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May 16, 2022 21:45:26   #
manning5 Loc: Richmond, VA
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I was unaware that there was a statute of limitations for atrocities... By why is 100 years the limit???

How about we play with my lifetime???

I was born in 1984... Now compare the atrocities of c*******t nations in that tike to the atrocities of Western nations... Oh dear...That doesn't look to good for your argument...

As for brutality...
Look into the Belgium Congo...
Or the Boer camps of South Africa...
Oops...Sorry..Too old...

Ok... How about the millions of deaths in Iraq due to American led sanctions??? Brutal...

You're off as to why the death toll in c*******t nations was so high as well...
Certainly they eliminated dissidents...But far more starved to death due to piss poor management of the agricultural system...
I***tic...But hardly intentional...

How expensive is life in the free world???
I mean, the bombs and drones you drop daily in the Middle East are fairly costly, I get it, but surely that can't count because they're not part of the free world...

I've been waiting for you to bring up my nationality and nation of residence... You certainly come off as well reasoned and informed when you resort to such a diminutive argument
I was unaware that there was a statute of limitati... (show quote)


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Well, you see, the question is still quite relevant: what exactly are your politics, what exactly are your religious leanings, what exactly do you really believe about life, and what influence has crept into your mind from your residence in China as opposed to your country of origin.

I believe in the sum of my posts I have made it quite clear on these points where I stand. I do not believe you have. Thus, there is a void in actually understanding where you stand in this life. It is as if you are arguing simply to argue, not necessarily because you have real skin in the game. I do have skin in this game. To me, it needs to be either clarified, or halted forthwith. Hence my questioning. It is far from diminutive, it is essential. If you do not see it that way, then good luck with your life, and goodbye.

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May 16, 2022 21:56:56   #
nonalien1 Loc: Mojave Desert
 
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I was unaware that there was a statute of limitations for atrocities... By why is 100 years the limit???

How about we play with my lifetime???

I was born in 1984... Now compare the atrocities of c*******t nations in that tike to the atrocities of Western nations... Oh dear...That doesn't look to good for your argument...

As for brutality...
Look into the Belgium Congo...
Or the Boer camps of South Africa...
Oops...Sorry..Too old...

Ok... How about the millions of deaths in Iraq due to American led sanctions??? Brutal...

You're off as to why the death toll in c*******t nations was so high as well...
Certainly they eliminated dissidents...But far more starved to death due to piss poor management of the agricultural system...
I***tic...But hardly intentional...

How expensive is life in the free world???
I mean, the bombs and drones you drop daily in the Middle East are fairly costly, I get it, but surely that can't count because they're not part of the free world...

I've been waiting for you to bring up my nationality and nation of residence... You certainly come off as well reasoned and informed when you resort to such a diminutive argument
I was unaware that there was a statute of limitati... (show quote)


Not to change the subject, but what's up with the Uyghurs over there?

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May 16, 2022 22:17:51   #
Canuckus Deploracus Loc: North of the wall
 
nonalien1 wrote:
Not to change the subject, but what's up with the Uyghurs over there?


To be honest, I'm not a hundred percent sure... That area is a long way from where I am...

But there are Uighur students in my university.. And Uighur businesses that have been here for decades...

There are certainly prisons in Xinjiang... And they are mostly full of Uighurs because the majority of the population is Uighur...

Their population has increased steadily over the years, so I doubt the genocide accusations...

China had a rash of Islamic terrorist attacks in the last decade...So they cracked down on the Muslim population...But as most of the incidents involved Uighurs, they got hit the hardest... The Hui are all Muslim and and are of similar size population wise to the Uighur (less than a million difference) and you never hear about them being persecuted....

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