whitnebrat wrote:
An additional response to Logically Right:
"What's past is prologue." These words spoken by Shakespeare's Antonio in The Tempest, are prescient in relation to Russia and Europe.
Europe and the Mediterranean have repeatedly been invaded and overrun since the time of the Vandals (who sacked Rome), Attila the Hun, (who overran much of Europe), Ghengis Khan (and the Mongol Hordes), the era of the Tsarists, the Soviet Era (that acquired the numerous satellite states as buffers) and now to the expansion of Russian influence following the fall of the Soviet Era. While they haven't been called "Russians" all the time, they derive from the same Northern Asian stock as has populated that area since time immemorial. They were never a truly agrarian society, but relied on raiding and foreign invasion to obtain those things that allowed them to exist on the plains of Siberia and the Steppes of Central Asia.
Russia, and its predecessor societies, have always had expansionist notions, for wh**ever reasons ... it may just be in their DNA. But modern Europe, after seeing what the Russians did after the Second World War, felt that it was in their best interests to form and maintain NATO in order to prevent further expansion of the Soviet Union. With the actions of Russia recently (Georgia, Chechnya, Crimea, and now Ukraine) they obviously feel that the Russians are again in an expansionist mood. NATO is probably going to get a number of other previous non-aligned states (Finland, Sweden, Moldova, etc.) that are showing increased interest in joining the alliance because of those fears.
It isn't NATO that's the aggressor, it's the Russians under Putin. 'Nuf said.
An additional response to Logically Right: br br ... (
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That whole area of western Russia, Ukraine. Belarus has changed hands so many time with the aggressors coming from all sides that it is hard to say who is the bad guy. But the altest has all been Europe invading Russia. There is no evidence of Putin or Russia trying to recreate the Soviet Union. All unproven innuendo from the west. The turmoil in Europe was from the breaking up of the Warsaw Pact nations and not any aggressive moves by Russia. In fact it was more American bombs. There was no need for any expansion of NATO after the Warsaw Pact broke up and even an agreement to not do so. Finland worked fine without NATO and so did Sweden. They are at peace with Russia. As I've said often here, there only need to join NATO is as a defense from Russia for joining NATO. Does that make sense on any level? Really? Think about it.