manning5 wrote:
The two conflicts should not be conflated as though there was a super view looking down on them adjudging any of them hypocritical. Each of them arose out of their unique past and current histories and their histories with the West. Each of them appear to have divergent ideologies in action, and have their own rulers and forms of government. It is not only apples and oranges but also bananas and peaches, with a cumquat and a cantaloupe thrown in trying to help save the day. Don't ask me which is which!
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I did enjoy the imagery you invoked
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
I did enjoy the imagery you invoked
One has to be rooted in deep history to make the smallest attempt to unravel these long-standing conflicts and the hypocrisies that exist all over the place and time. Even then, it becomes a matter of opinion as to who is in the right. None of the argumentation will make the slightest difference either.
My understanding about the Palestine question is rather simple, so if it is too simple you can correct me. Israel has offered to support a Palestine State many times, but with one condition: that the Palestinians accept the sovereignty of Israel and agree to peaceful coexistence. The Palestine authorities have refused to do so every time.
Thus, the US, in support of Israeli sovereignty, has backed Israel. The so-called Two State solution is dead in the water because the Palestinians want to drive the Israelis into the sea and will not compromise. That is it from the US point of view, I believe.
None of us believe that Israel should continue to annex territory in the West Bank, but they do so on their own hook. This is complicating the situation. Seems to me the Palestinian hatred for Jews is the principal cause of the conflict.
manning5 wrote:
One has to be rooted in deep history to make the smallest attempt to unravel these long-standing conflicts and the hypocrisies that exist all over the place and time. Even then, it becomes a matter of opinion as to who is in the right. None of the argumentation will make the slightest difference either.
My understanding about the Palestine question is rather simple, so if it is too simple you can correct me. Israel has offered to support a Palestine State many times, but with one condition: that the Palestinians accept the sovereignty of Israel and agree to peaceful coexistence. The Palestine authorities have refused to do so every time.
Thus, the US, in support of Israeli sovereignty, has backed Israel. The so-called Two State solution is dead in the water because the Palestinians want to drive the Israelis into the sea and will not compromise. That is it from the US point of view, I believe.
None of us believe that Israel should continue to annex territory in the West Bank, but they do so on their own hook. This is complicating the situation. Seems to me the Palestinian hatred for Jews is the principal cause of the conflict.
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I agree, from what I know.
manning5 wrote:
One has to be rooted in deep history to make the smallest attempt to unravel these long-standing conflicts and the hypocrisies that exist all over the place and time. Even then, it becomes a matter of opinion as to who is in the right. None of the argumentation will make the slightest difference either.
My understanding about the Palestine question is rather simple, so if it is too simple you can correct me. Israel has offered to support a Palestine State many times, but with one condition: that the Palestinians accept the sovereignty of Israel and agree to peaceful coexistence. The Palestine authorities have refused to do so every time.
Thus, the US, in support of Israeli sovereignty, has backed Israel. The so-called Two State solution is dead in the water because the Palestinians want to drive the Israelis into the sea and will not compromise. That is it from the US point of view, I believe.
None of us believe that Israel should continue to annex territory in the West Bank, but they do so on their own hook. This is complicating the situation. Seems to me the Palestinian hatred for Jews is the principal cause of the conflict.
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Interesting...
Sort of like Russia has agreed to a Western Ukraine as long as the East is under their control...
Wonder why the Ukrainians are against this????
I understand your point concerning Israel offering to allow Palestine statehood... But I also understand the Palestinian response...
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Interesting...
Sort of like Russia has agreed to a Western Ukraine as long as the East is under their control...
Wonder why the Ukrainians are against this????
I understand your point concerning Israel offering to allow Palestine statehood... But I also understand the Palestinian response...
Which is why there is diplomacy. Not lobbing bombs and grenades and bullets. By any party.
debeda wrote:
Which is why there is diplomacy. Not lobbing bombs and grenades and bullets. By any party.
Absolutely.... But when diplomacy fails, armies step in...
Canuckus Deploracus wrote:
Human nature
I say UGH, because more than half the time the PEOPLE don't want war, or much give a damn about the machinations of governments
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